Tristan Thompson

[gigabyte056]

Big rim protector at 13 when the cap sky rockets.

Dream on, last contract for the man, he needs to get paid.

 

[roozy]

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87 million is the most Thompson will get and that would value at an 18% contract for the five years.

Thompson contract could start out anywhere from 14-16. 17 wouldnt be viable for one the Cavs would need to give him near min raises and he would bring in about 88 million.

Thompson is 16-20% guy based on his age. his consistency and steady improvement including his his offensive production in the playoffs.
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202389/tracking/shots/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202684/tracking/shots/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs

Rich had made a comment about Thompson dribbling the ball. compare Thompson and Mozgov on the dribble from the shooting dashboard on NBA.com. its fascinating stuff

Mozgov i have as a 15% guy which under the 16/17 projected cap would be 13.35 million. maybe he gets up to 15 million but he isnt a 25% guy , nor will he be a 30% guy the following year when he gets 7 years vested.

Here is the main differences
Thompson
-still at developmental age for big men.
-Potential
- work ethic
etc
Then you have Mozgov. Mozgov did not suddenly magically improve on his flight from Denver to Cleveland.
What did happen was he was surrounded by better teammates and he was utilized in a better more efficient fashion.

Mozgov will be 30, He was injury prone missing half the season 3 out of 5 seasons int he NBA.
He cant be counted on to produce more than 28 per game cause he gets gassed and prone to injury.

Come on this is crazy talk, the same argument you used against Moz can be used against TT. I'm still not seeing this drastic improvement of TT, he's still the same damn player he was 2 or 3 seasons ago, at least be consistent.

 

[Tendulkar]

I spent about 20 minutes writing a response to this and the browser crashed. The auto save didnt seem too work.

87 million is the most Thompson will get and that would value at an 18% contract for the five years.

Thompson contract could start out anywhere from 14-16. 17 wouldnt be viable for one the Cavs would need to give him near min raises and he would bring in about 88 million.

Thompson is 16-20% guy based on his age. his consistency and steady improvement including his his offensive production in the playoffs.
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202389/tracking/shots/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202684/tracking/shots/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs

Rich had made a comment about Thompson dribbling the ball. compare Thompson and Mozgov on the dribble from the shooting dashboard on NBA.com. its fascinating stuff

Mozgov i have as a 15% guy which under the 16/17 projected cap would be 13.35 million. maybe he gets up to 15 million but he isnt a 25% guy , nor will he be a 30% guy the following year when he gets 7 years vested.

Here is the main differences
Thompson
-still at developmental age for big men.
-Potential
- work ethic
etc
Then you have Mozgov. Mozgov did not suddenly magically improve on his flight from Denver to Cleveland.
What did happen was he was surrounded by better teammates and he was utilized in a better more efficient fashion.

Mozgov will be 30, He was injury prone missing half the season 3 out of 5 seasons int he NBA.
He cant be counted on to produce more than 28 per game cause he gets gassed and prone to injury.

Cool story bro. You still didn't answer my question. If mozgov demands a max, should cavs pay him or let him walk?


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[TitleTown]

You over value TT. TT is good for our depth, but not for his asking price. At this point I'll take a guy at the vet min to give us 15-20 minutes a night. If we stay relatively healthy, TT is expendable (the "ONLY TT can give us what we need" spiel isn't working for me). However, having TT as a reliable back-up will help keep other (more important) players healthy, and he has chemistry with the team.

LeBron saying that TT is important for our success is literally the only thing preventing us from forcing him to take the QO, IMHO.

Your whole logic is based on "if we stay relatively healthy."

Did you watch our team last year? Do you know that K Love and AV are in our bigs rotation?

Replacing TT with a vet minimum player is idiotic.

 

[Tornicade]

You're saying he won't get more than 87 million now or in 2016-2017 if he QOs this year? Again I ask you, what do you do as GM if he demands more than the 87 mil? Do you pay what it takes to keep him on board or do you cut him loose?

You're saying that Mozgov got better by virtue of playing on a better team, but can't the same also be said for TT and his improved FG% etc? TT's shooting and rebounding have shown no meaningful improvement since maybe his 2nd year in the league, outside of a bit of a bump on his 0-3 footers from last year which I think can be explained, as you say, from playing on a better team and having more open looks.

Mozgov is going to be one of the best big men available in the 2016 free agency. It's hard to imagine him accepting a salary that low unless he basically rejects bigger offers and returns to the Cavs for less money in hopes of winning a championship (or 2nd championship ) I hope you're right about us getting him on 13 mil a year though, that would be insane value considering the contracts bigs have gotten recently.

I dont care what I would do as GM. its not really relevant. Its about what the Cavs will do and I doubt they will pay more than 87 million

I think the contract will end up about 84-86

I know Thompson has improved because i have watched him develop for 4 years.

Cool story bro. You still didn't answer my question. If mozgov demands a max, should cavs pay him or let him walk?


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Mozgov walks for anything over 15 million let alone 22 million which would be approximately max.for next season.

do you really think Mozgov is worth 22 million?

 

[Kouki]

No, it's not. You are GUESSING that no one will give him a near max next year, but no one actually knows for sure. BUT that is NOT the issue.

The issue of supply--is the CAVS--not the league. We have NO cap space to sign another player of TT's caliber. Meaning, the Cavs have a DEMAND and only TT can give us what we need.

This has nothing to do with what the rest of the league thinks TT is worth. We need him and we can't replace him without a trade (which doesn't seem very likely).

Therefore, we have a DEMAND, and ONLY TT can fill that demand. Therefore, he is using that as leverage.

Why do I have to keep explaining this to people?

yes i know that

in fact i stated that

see look here

yes, the cavs need TT more than any other team right now, and sure that gives TT a bit of leverage, because we cannot replace him. we get that.

and yes i'm making an educated guess that no one else will give him a near max next year. but to say that is not an issue is silly.

so instead of me saying what i think will happen....what do you think will happen if TT signs the QO this year and is on the market next year?

 

[cavsfever]

People saying that TT is still developing are kind of kidding themselves IMO. The sharpest improvement in NBA players occurs during their first three or four years in the league. The major exceptions are guys who don't get serious PT in those years. It is very hard to think of players who got lots of PT their first four years and then enormously improved after that. Not that players reach their absolute performance peak at that point , or that players can't change their game a bit as they age, but that you basically know what you have by a player's fourth year in the league. Plus, TT has never shown signs of being someone who works aggressively on his flaws and succeeds in addressing them.

TT's youth is important because it indicates he can continue at his current level of play for some years to come. But I think it's totally wrong to use his age as an indicator that he will somehow significantly improve in the future.

 

[Cavatt]

People saying that TT is still developing are kind of kidding themselves IMO. The sharpest improvement in NBA players occurs during their first three or four years in the league. The major exceptions are guys who don't get serious PT in those years. It is very hard to think of players who got lots of PT their first four years and then enormously improved after that. Not that players reach their absolute performance peak at that point , or that players can't change their game a bit as they age, but that you basically know what you have by a player's fourth year in the league. Plus, TT has never shown signs of being someone who works aggressively on his flaws and succeeds in addressing them.

TT's youth is important because it indicates he can continue at his current level of play for some years to come. But I think it's totally wrong to use his age as an indicator that he will somehow significantly improve in the future.

People don't believe in the hand change thing at all, which is fine. To me it seems like he was starting over and he is getting better and better with his right hand. TT was really raw coming in. People say he is the same player, but I wouldn't trust rookie or sophomore TT out on the floor with this team.

I feel that like Andy this is a guy who incrementally gets better every year. TT not improving in his weak areas is not true at all. It's just been incremental and small.

I also think he hasore potential as a scorer. We don't see his push shots as much anymore, but he had some high release stuff that was hard to guard at one point.

 

[mds]

I'm going to start a Kickstarter campaign to raise the funds to give TT the max just to end the perpetual revolving argument in this thread.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I'm going to start a Kickstarter campaign to raise the funds to give TT the max just to end the perpetual revolving argument in this thread.

I'm suing TT for punitive damages due to the hardship I've undergone from the ridiculousness of this contract holdout.

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

I really can't see any situation where Mozgov takes a contract less than what TT makes. The idea he won't get what TT will when you saw what Kantner got, seems ludicrous, honestly.

If there are 4 GMs willing to give TT a max next yr there are probably 8 GMs willing to give T-Mo a max. Or at least it's a lot more believable. Anyone who somehow thinks he gets $15M after arguing the high cap is going to make someone give TT over $18M really needs to examine their logic.

BTW... Mozgov has a better work ethic if you want to measure it by staying after practice and working on his shot, and I don't believe you're right about TMo only being able to play 28 minutes. I'll give you one instead. When TT plays more than 35mn his production in the second half is a lot lamer. He gets just as gassed or worse because he relies on his hustle, which runs down, while TMo can lean more on his size.

Finally, He didn't improve on the flight from Denver, Denver is a notorious hell that makes very poor use of its players. His skills were there and will be even better utilized this season where TT's skills have reached their peak in use/usability. There isn't anything more than what we saw coming.

 

[Chris Parker]

Mozgov walks for anything over 15 million let alone 22 million which would be approximately max.for next season.

do you really think Mozgov is worth 22 million?

Now that's interesting. Per TT, How in the heavens do we possibly replace him if he walks? Do we just give up our championship hopes? I mean, because a 24-yr old backup PF is irreplaceable, but surely there's a plan for the active, rim-protecting, alley-oop converting, solid mid-range jump shot center, right?

 

[TitleTown]

yes i know that

in fact i stated that

see look here



and yes i'm making an educated guess that no one else will give him a near max next year. but to say that is not an issue is silly.

so instead of me saying what i think will happen....what do you think will happen if TT signs the QO this year and is on the market next year?

Honestly, I don't think the QO is even part of the equation. I could be totally wrong, but I think Paul's QO threat was bullshit.

TT would be an absolute idiot to tempt fate and play for another season without long-term guaranteed money. The whole reason he took risk last year, was so that he could get more money this year. It was a big risk, and it should pay off for a reasonably big contract. I don't blame him and Paul for trying to get it to be as big as possible.

I think the only question is who will swerve first in this ridiculous game of chicken.

 

[TitleTown]

TT has never shown signs of being someone who works aggressively on his flaws and succeeds in addressing them.

This is just ignorant bias.

Improved free throw shooting:
Free throw shooting has been something he's aggressively worked on, and he's had success in going from a 55% free throw shooter to an almost 70% FT shooter in 2013-2014 season (.693). He took a small dip back to 64% last year, but I think we'll see another jump forward from him this year.

 

[Otsego Mar]

This is just ignorant bias.

Improved free throw shooting:
Free throw shooting has been something he's aggressively worked on, and he's had success in going from a 55% free throw shooter to an almost 70% FT shooter in 2013-2014 season (.693). He took a small dip back to 64% last year, but I think we'll see another jump forward from him this year.

I didn't say that bro.......you got something wrong with your quote process.