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Bdawgs12 said:
If Ed Davis is actually an option for the Cavs if this Tristan deal really goes south I think its a no brainer. Can anyone remember what Tristan was before Lebron came? He was average at best. Granted he has always been a good rebounder, but other than that he was a liability everywhere else. Ed Davis can actually put the ball in the basket. People seem to forget that every big guy with some athletiscm that Lebron plays with turns into a household name. I always go back to Joel Anthony who is and always was terrible, but somehow was looked at as a decent player while playing with lebron.

If Tristan continues this and we can actually get Davis, bring him in now.
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Bolded is my biggest beef with all the TT criticism. He is not a liability at all. He helps the team win. No he doesn't do everything well, and isn't a jack of all trades. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. That is why he is so much better on a good team. More effective with low usage.
 
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Cavatt said:
Bolded is my biggest beef with all the TT criticism. He is not a liability at all. He helps the team win. No he doesn't do everything well, and isn't a jack of all trades. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. That is why he is so much better on a good team. More effective with low usage.
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Lebrun was the only scoring option in the finals .
Moz scored in a game. Even Delly did. Where the hell is TT? He can't score in buckets. He can't create his own shot. How the hell is that not a liability? I see you said, he is good in "good teams and low usage". Then why the hell is he demanding a max?


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Tendulkar said:
Lebrun was the only scoring option in the finals .
Moz scored in a game. Even Delly did. Where the hell is TT? He can't score in buckets. He can't create his own shot. How the hell is that not a liability? I see you said, he is good in "good teams and low usage". Then why the hell is he demanding a max?


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He scored when he got the ball in the finals, but they didn't go to him. He has had big scoring games and both he and Moz were able to score on their small bigs, but whatever.

I have never advocated the max. No one on the board seems to know what Nuance is.

He has a great hook/flip shot that they told him not to use, so I dunno how to answer you.
 
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He scored when he got the ball in the finals, but they didn't go to him. .
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Doesn't that tell more about TT?
There were stretches of 60-70 points where Lebron either scored or assisted. His efficiency fell but he has to create everything. Ever wonder they are not going to TT? May be they don't believe in TT as much as you do.


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Cavatt said:
He has a great hook/flip shot that they told him not to use, so I dunno how to answer you.
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They told him not to use it because he shot 82/224 (.366) outside of 2 feet last year (by far his worst since his rookie season). And only 20 of those baskets were unassisted.

20FGs. On the season. INCLUDING PLAYOFFS.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomptr01/shooting/2015/

He is entirely dependent on his man leaving him to help out on the real threats for any offensive contributions. And even then he is brutal unless he is at the rim.

These demands are just out of line. I think a lot of players would be able to contribute given the ideal conditions he has here.
 
Change of Pace said:
I disagree, if he wanted to play for the Cavs he would have accepted one of the 4 offers that was put in front of him in the last 15 months(4yrs/$48 million, 4yrs/$52 million, 5yrs/$80 million or 1yr/$7 million).

TT has showed he just wants to get paid the max, even though he isn't worth it...
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Disagree. If he didn't want to pay with the cavs he would have signed the QO
 
HurricaneKid said:
They told him not to use it because he shot 82/224 (.366) outside of 2 feet last year (by far his worst since his rookie season). And only 20 of those baskets were unassisted.

20FGs. On the season. INCLUDING PLAYOFFS.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomptr01/shooting/2015/

He is entirely dependent on his man leaving him to help out on the real threats for any offensive contributions. And even then he is brutal unless he is at the rim.

These demands are just out of line. I think a lot of players would be able to contribute given the ideal conditions he has here.
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in the regular season 24% of his shots were from 3-10 feet. He didnt take trthe shot because it wasnt his role to. Cavs much prefered Thompson reset the offense.
your stats show the story less than 2 shots a game from outside 3 feet.

However once the playoffs began and Cavs were beset by injuries. sso did Tristans shot distribution as the 24% went up to39,5 percent and his FG% went from 34.7 percent to 41 percent. as far as outside of 10 feet. not even enough attempts for his percentages to matter or be measurable.

but yeah lets use his regular season metrics to measure his playoff performance. makes perfect sense.

Once again Thompson is 24. He development and progression as well as energy has been constantly compared to AV. Thats how he is being gromed. A more Athletic Andy. One that can defend the pick and roll.

potential is a factor here no matter how much some would like to dismiss it.
 
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Tendulkar said:
Doesn't that tell more about TT?
There were stretches of 60-70 points where Lebron either scored or assisted. His efficiency fell but he has to create everything. Ever wonder they are not going to TT? May be they don't believe in TT as much as you do.


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Personally I think they got in a 3 point shoot out. Moz or Tristan were scoring(2pts) regularly, but that doesn't do much when the other team comes down the court and hits a quick 3. Once Delly and Shump ran out of gas, they couldn't defend the 3 any more and the team folded.

Wasn't is weird that Moz repeatedly scored but we didn't go to him or even keep him on the floor much. 2 points<3 points *shrugs*
 
Tornicade said:
in the regular season 24% of his shots were from 3-10 feet. He didnt take trthe shot because it wasnt his role to. Cavs much prefered Thompson reset the offense.
your stats show the story less than 2 shots a game from outside 3 feet.

However once the playoffs began and Cavs were beset by injuries. sso did Tristans shot distribution as the 24% went up to39,5 percent and his FG% went from 34.7 percent to 41 percent. as far as outside of 10 feet. not even enough attempts for his percentages to matter or be measurable.

but yeah lets use his regular season metrics to measure his playoff performance. makes perfect sense.

Once again Thompson is 24. He development and progression as well as energy has been constantly compared to AV. Thats how he is being gromed. A more Athletic Andy. One that can defend the pick and roll.

potential is a factor here no matter how much some would like to dismiss it.
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And people say he is the same player as his rookie year. If you think that you weren't watching like I have, ever single game.
 
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TT is essentially in a Kurt Rambis role. He demands no shots in the offense so you can allow your better players to fill that role and his skills are great compliments to the other players on the roster. Now I agree that Kurt Rambis was not a max player and neither is TT. But the salary cap limitations on the Cavs adding players because they are so far over it, the connection of TT to LeBron through Rich Paul, and the desire to win a title at almost any cost, has given Thompson leverage that he otherwise would lack. If he wanted to leave, he would have just signed the QO. It certainly appears he intends to stay and is just trying to see how much he can squeeze before the deal is struck.
 
Cavatt said:
Bolded is my biggest beef with all the TT criticism. He is not a liability at all. He helps the team win. No he doesn't do everything well, and isn't a jack of all trades. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. That is why he is so much better on a good team. More effective with low usage.
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Let me clarify. He isn't a liability on this team, due to the fact that there are scorers everywhere around him. But his offensive game is a liability, it is just hidden by the fact that he never has to use it. Don't get me wrong, I want Tristan on this team, but it is ludicrous to even think of paying him the money he wants. He is no where near that player and all I'm saying is IF you can get a guy like Ed Davis, who is much cheaper and probably would be very comparable to Tristan on this team then its a no brainer. Again this is only if Tristan continues this charade
 
iamacavalier said:
Disagree. If he didn't want to play with the cavs he would have signed the QO
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If he'd signed the QO, he's be playing with the Cavs right now. And he could always sign a long term deal with the Cavs next year.

Refusing to sign either the QO or a long-term deal is the only scenario in which has already played his last game as a Cav.
 
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TT wants to be in Cleveland. If it's money, Cleveland can and will pay him more than anyone else. If it's BB, he could only go to teams with lots of cap space next year - teams that would have nowhere near the chance to win as Cleveland.

He's trying to get as much money as he can. Gilbert got rich for the same reason.

It's business. A contract dispute. TT wants to be on the court right now and Gilbert wants him there. It's a money issue between a dude who will get 80-94MM and a dude worth many times that.

Cavs will make the playoffs with a high seed with or without TT - unless we have a ton of key injuries, in which case he won't matter much either. His value is to provide some minutes in the playoffs AND as an insurance policy in case we have a key big man hurt and he has to play lots of minutes.

So I really don't care if this lasts until Groundhog Day. And at that point - Cavs might find a cheaper option and TT can take 1/2 the money Gilbert's offering from some scrub team.
 
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TT wants to be in Cleveland. If it's money, Cleveland can and will pay him more than anyone else. If it's BB, he could only go to teams with lots of cap space next year - teams that would have nowhere near the chance to win as Cleveland.

He's trying to get as much money as he can. Gilbert got rich for the same reason.

It's business. A contract dispute. TT wants to be on the court right now and Gilbert wants him there. It's a money issue between a dude who will get 80-94MM and a dude worth many times that.

Cavs will make the playoffs with a high seed with or without TT - unless we have a ton of key injuries, in which case he won't matter much either. His value is to provide some minutes in the playoffs AND as an insurance policy in case we have a key big man hurt and he has to play lots of minutes.

So I really don't care if this lasts until Groundhog Day. And at that point - Cavs might find a cheaper option and TT can take 1/2 the money Gilbert's offering from some scrub team.
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Yeah, assuming we can hang in there as a team, it seems like the Cavs leverage might improve once we hit December and January, when teams may start looking to dump players in trades. At that point, maybe Rich Paul fears that the Cavs will just be willing to cut ties with TT and sign someone they can afford.

I'm kind of wondering how Richard Jefferson might do as a stretch 4 also. I know it would impact our rebounding but maybe his floor spacing offsets a lot of that. If Jefferson could play there some it might help keep us going even if Andy got hurt. Kaun could back up Mozgov at center and Jefferson, LeBron and James Jones could back up Love.
 
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