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Tristan Thompson

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The term "max player" is being misused in this thread. A max player going into the next few seasons will be about $30M per year, give or take a few million. TTs contract will be 60% of a max player in two years if he gets $15-18M. That is the primary reason why LBJ is signing year to year contracts. Net present value.

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chuck0609 said:
You're not paying his potential a max deal. He's not a foundational player for any franchise.

This entire ordeal is becoming strange. If Andy stays healthy, with LBJ, Love, Moz and Sasha, they Cavs can play without him. They obviously would rather have him, evidenced by the 5/80 offer for a rotational big man, but a MaX deal??

I'm sorry, he is a double double guy, but his offense will never be higher than slightly below average. His defense is good and rebounding is excellent. He can't protect the rim.

There's is simply no scenario where is current or potential reach a max deal.

It's also worth noting that there is NO public outcry for him; but rather people are beginning to say "fuck this guy".

Dan would pay him, but no way is it a max deal.
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any player who signed a max 4 or 5 year deal this season is a sweet deal for the owners and those guys are underpaid for the majority length of their contract.

Tristan had a solid season. an impressive postseason that really bodes well for his future.

some people are worried if Tristan signs for big money the team will lose mozgov

some people would like to see Thompson traded for other potential assets because we have Love

some people are worried that av will be traded for tax purposes.

some people think Thompson is redundant so therefore expendable.

personally I think Mozgov is expendable long term and there a cheaper option already on the roster.

I also look over at the West and See OKC, Golden State, Clippers, the rejuvenated Spurs and Houston.
Those Matchups outside of Houston are alot harder without Thompson over the next 5 years.

There also some budding teams in the east where a quality small ball lineup who can play fast on both ends of the court will be needed.

I was fine either way with the Cavs either making a higher offer for tristan or letting him sign the QO.

One way or another the Cavs are gonna Cave. either by signing Thompson to a one year contract and risk losing him next season or upping their offer for a 5 year deal or the least likely scenario Portland coming in to save the day with a two year offer the Cavs can Match.

I didnt think it was unrealistic for TT to sign the qo and make more than 80 million of the next five season going that route.

Im not begrudging the Cavs for not forking over the money. nor does it bother me that TT held out. its his life his contract.
 
2 For The Brew said:
I don't understand their thinking. You've got $80MM in the bag. Why risk so much for a shot to maybe get $14MM more? No guarantee that $80MM will be there tomorrow
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This is one of the reasons I wonder how accurate that 5/$80M is. Don't get me wrong, I don't know anything specific, but that figure just seems so high, and I'm not sure where it really came from. What if it's from RP's side and what the Cavs offered has never been accurately represented.

Would Paul feel forced because the Cavs would not even come up to the level someone leaked to the press?

That would make some sense. Especially if there really isn't anyone leaping to pay a high-motor bench player over $15M at one of the NBA's deepest positions, and this talk about $20M offers is some media manipulated BS. I've heard/read the same things as you, but it doesn't pass the smell test to me.
 
Tornicade said:
I also look over at the West and See OKC, Golden State, Clippers, the rejuvenated Spurs and Houston.
Those Matchups outside of Houston are alot harder without Thompson over the next 5 years.
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I wonder if this is true. If Mozgov and Love play better this year than they did last, it may be that having Thompson out there would HURT the team. With those two or Andy out there, everyone can actually score from outside an arm's length of the basket. Imagine!

(as Torn himself noted, Love's defense improved all season long, and if that continues - which I think his body transformation will aid - he won't need to sit out the 4th and suddenly 33-40% of TT's minutes disappear.)
 
Chris Parker said:
This is one of the reasons I wonder how accurate that 5/$80M is. Don't get me wrong, I don't know anything specific, but that figure just seems so high, and I'm not sure where it really came from. What if it's from RP's side and what the Cavs offered has never been accurately represented.

Would Paul feel forced because the Cavs would not even come up to the level someone leaked to the press?

That would make some sense. Especially if there really isn't anyone leaping to pay a high-motor bench player over $15M at one of the NBA's deepest positions, and this talk about $20M offers is some media manipulated BS. I've heard/read the same things as you, but it doesn't pass the smell test to me.
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I've wondered this as well. We've been arguing about numbers that we don't even really know are real. The Cavs could have offered $65mil for all we know, which would make RP's stance a little more understandable.
 
Tornicade said:
One way or another the Cavs are gonna Cave. either by signing Thompson to a one year contract and risk losing him next season or upping their offer for a 5 year deal or the least likely scenario Portland coming in to save the day with a two year offer the Cavs can Match.
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I don't understand how you can be so sure the Cavs are going to cave. Why would they? No one is offering Tristan a contract - there has been no indication that either Philly or Portland has any interest in him. His only choices are to sign a long term deal with the Cavs or sit out the season and become a RFA again next season. The Cavs are not in a hurry - They have the Russian Twin Towers and Love/Andy/JJ and a few minute of LBJ at PF. TT is a luxury at this point and they can certainly manage without him if they need to. TT has everything to lose from sitting out the season, so unless there is a new major series of injuries, he has zero leverage.
 
gratefuldead said:
i think the cavs need to start putting some shit in the media to get TT's side sweating

rich paul has been using the media this entire time. haynes and windy are repeating him verbatim. you had the story TT wanted more because of draymond. TT wont except one penny less than max. TT is leaving if he signs QO. Rich Paul has 4 teams ready to max TT next year. TT is going to get a max from the Raptors. TT will sign a 3yr max to compromise with the cavs.

its all Rich Paul.

I dont know who the cavs use for their voice anymore. Maybe dust off The Bullshit Whisperer and get him going?? Here is the story: Cavs are afraid Tristan will sit out all season, they are making calls about the availability of certain backup PFs. They are offering trade exception and dangling a 2014 first round pick.

A story like that might make Tristan scared. Even if Termine and Paul keep talking tough, Tristan might call his agents and get them back to the table with the cavs.

Windy made it sound like they really arent even talking to each other.

We need that big idiot back here ASAP. Not because I think he's needed to win games but we need his minutes so guys like lebron, love and andy arent asked to play too much.
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No need to play the media. Just complete silence. None of the coaches or front office people should even mention his name. If asked, just say they only want to talk about the players that are there.if Griffin is asked, just say that the Cavs don't believe in negotiating through the media.

Chris Parker said:
This is one of the reasons I wonder how accurate that 5/$80M is. Don't get me wrong, I don't know anything specific, but that figure just seems so high, and I'm not sure where it really came from. What if it's from RP's side and what the Cavs offered has never been accurately represented.

Would Paul feel forced because the Cavs would not even come up to the level someone leaked to the press?

That would make some sense. Especially if there really isn't anyone leaping to pay a high-motor bench player over $15M at one of the NBA's deepest positions, and this talk about $20M offers is some media manipulated BS. I've heard/read the same things as you, but it doesn't pass the smell test to me.
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But TT supposedly rejecting that 5/$80 offer is one of the reasons fans and some in the press have turned against him. It takes pressure off the franchise. And, Rich Paul deliberately leaked the 3 year/$53MM number

It just seems odd to me that he'd leak the 3/53 demand that makes him look greedy, but not deny the 5/80 offer when the denial would make the Cavs look worse. And it's a lie that is almost guaranteed to get exposed in the long run when he has to settle for something much less than what was reported. Coming in so far below published expectations is just a terrible look for an agent.

Tolerating a false narrative that the numbers being discussed are much higher than they actually arw makes even less sense to me than TT turning down $5/80.
 
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I motion to lock this thread until there is a deal in place.

This topic has been beaten to death....revived....anally raped...spiritually saved...given a reality show...and then murdered via chop sticks fried with AIDS. Only to be brought back 40 years later in a Tristan Thompson reunion special only shown in a vacant Westlake parking garage.

@wuck
 
Omar The Horse said:
I motion to lock this thread until there is a deal in place.

This topic has been beaten to death....revived....anally raped...spiritually saved...given a reality show...and then murdered via chop sticks fried with AIDS. Only to be brought back 40 years later in a Tristan Thompson reunion special only shown in a vacant Westlake parking garage.

@wuck
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Hey man, my mom was murdered via chop sticks and fried with AIDS. Not cool, bro.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
No need to play the media. Just complete silence. None of the coaches or front office people should even mention his name. If asked, just say they only want to talk about the players that are there.if Griffin is asked, just say that the Cavs don't believe in negotiating through the media.



But TT supposedly rejecting that 5/$80 offer is one of the reasons fans and some in the press have turned against him. It takes pressure off the franchise. And, Rich Paul deliberately leaked the 3 year/$53MM number

It just seems odd to me that he'd leak the 3/53 demand that makes him look greedy, but not deny the 5/80 offer when the denial would make the Cavs look worse. And it's a lie that is almost guaranteed to get exposed in the long run when he has to settle for something much less than what was reported. Coming in so far below published expectations is just a terrible look for an agent.

Tolerating a false narrative that the numbers being discussed are much higher than they actually arw makes even less sense to me than TT turning down $5/80.
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Yeah I'm kind of taking an Occam's Razor view of the 5y/80m offer. Basically everyone regardless of stance on TT is using that figure and it's been out there for months. None of the theories as to why it should be different have been compelling enough to make me believe that things aren't simply as reported by all the media.
 
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Tornicade said:
any player who signed a max 4 or 5 year deal this season is a sweet deal for the owners and those guys are underpaid for the majority length of their contract.

Tristan had a solid season. an impressive postseason that really bodes well for his future.

some people are worried if Tristan signs for big money the team will lose mozgov

some people would like to see Thompson traded for other potential assets because we have Love

some people are worried that av will be traded for tax purposes.

some people think Thompson is redundant so therefore expendable.

personally I think Mozgov is expendable long term and there a cheaper option already on the roster.

I also look over at the West and See OKC, Golden State, Clippers, the rejuvenated Spurs and Houston.
Those Matchups outside of Houston are alot harder without Thompson over the next 5 years.

There also some budding teams in the east where a quality small ball lineup who can play fast on both ends of the court will be needed.

I was fine either way with the Cavs either making a higher offer for tristan or letting him sign the QO.

One way or another the Cavs are gonna Cave. either by signing Thompson to a one year contract and risk losing him next season or upping their offer for a 5 year deal or the least likely scenario Portland coming in to save the day with a two year offer the Cavs can Match.

I didnt think it was unrealistic for TT to sign the qo and make more than 80 million of the next five season going that route.

Im not begrudging the Cavs for not forking over the money. nor does it bother me that TT held out. its his life his contract.
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Man the more you post, the more I am convinced you are RP or someone from his camp or TT himself.
If the latter is true, fuck you


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Tornicade said:
I didnt think it was unrealistic for TT to sign the qo and make more than 80 million of the next five season going that route.
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Can you guess why he didn't sign the QO? Because Rich Paul had zero teams lined up to give him 20 million dollars next year. Or else that's what he would have done.

And I'll never understand how anyone can say that Mozgov is expendable and Tristan is the more important player. With Tristan, the Cavs defense absolutely sucked for 3 and a half straight years. WIth Mozgov, they almost transformed over night. Now is that all due to Mozgov? No. But I've got four years of evidence of Tristan not playing next to a rim protector to know Tristan Thompson can't lead the charge on that end.
 
Tendulkar said:
Man the more you post, the more I am convinced you are RP or someone from his camp or TT himself.
If the latter is true, fuck you


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What gave it away? Perhaps this glistening nugget of wisdom: "personally I think Mozgov is expendable long term and there a cheaper option already on the roster. " Can we add a barf emoticon?
 
Tornicade said:
any player who signed a max 4 or 5 year deal this season is a sweet deal for the owners and those guys are underpaid for the majority length of their contract.

Tristan had a solid season. an impressive postseason that really bodes well for his future.

some people are worried if Tristan signs for big money the team will lose mozgov

some people would like to see Thompson traded for other potential assets because we have Love

some people are worried that av will be traded for tax purposes.

some people think Thompson is redundant so therefore expendable.

personally I think Mozgov is expendable long term and there a cheaper option already on the roster.

I also look over at the West and See OKC, Golden State, Clippers, the rejuvenated Spurs and Houston.
Those Matchups outside of Houston are alot harder without Thompson over the next 5 years.

There also some budding teams in the east where a quality small ball lineup who can play fast on both ends of the court will be needed.

I was fine either way with the Cavs either making a higher offer for tristan or letting him sign the QO.

One way or another the Cavs are gonna Cave. either by signing Thompson to a one year contract and risk losing him next season or upping their offer for a 5 year deal or the least likely scenario Portland coming in to save the day with a two year offer the Cavs can Match.

I didnt think it was unrealistic for TT to sign the qo and make more than 80 million of the next five season going that route.

Im not begrudging the Cavs for not forking over the money. nor does it bother me that TT held out. its his life his contract.
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Tourn, be honest, this is you with LeBron?
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