Tristan Thompson

[iamacavalier]

Yes, there is a reason for the Cavs to do that - if they can't come to an agreement on a five year contract, but both sides decide they want TT to play this year.

It's not the Cavs preferred scenario, but it may be the one they choose if the alternative is a long term holdout and a completely ruined relationship. And if they get TT to play this season for 8 million or so, Dan saves huge amounts in luxury tax versus what he'd be paying on a long term deal.

Plus, it's the kind of face-saving move that lets both sides claim victory of a sort.

Cavs have no reason to do this. TT has zero leverage. He is not going to sit out an entire year because then not only does he still not get a max but he has to make up the 16 million lost which is hard to imagine him being able to do.and miss an opportunity at a ring. There is a reason no NBA player has ever done that.

 

[Tendulkar]

Cavs have no reason to do this. TT has zero leverage. He is not going to sit out an entire year because then not only does he still not get a max but he has to make up the 16 million lost which is hard to imagine him being able to do.and miss an opportunity at a ring. There is a reason no NBA player has ever done that.

This. Dunno why people don't get this.

Cavs should telling him if he doesn't sign by the start of the season, he is going to sit the entire season. He is going to come back crawling.


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[MalTalm]

TT might not have the leverage he had when the QO was on the table, but only just barely. Let's not pretend he has "0 leverage. "

The nuclear option for Thompson isn't sitting out a year but rather signing a 1 year contract with another team forcing the Cavs to match. That contract would certainly be at a higher cost than the QO, minimum range I'd guess at 11 mil for the year.

The "good" news for Cleveland in this scenario: No no trade clause like there'd be with the QO. Of course, what are you going to get for a soon to be unrestricted FA with a difficult agent?

As surprising as this holdout is, it's still in a stage where both sides can potentially walk away happy with a long term deal: No harm no foul. Thompson still hasn't done anything he'll likely regret yet.

 

[enigmatic]

It's going to be resolved this week, maybe Monday I think. TT has too much to lose now that he doesn't have a QO in his hand. Having him sitting out the season would be a disaster for him PR wise, no matter what Windy or Loyd says. The only way it becomes a disaster for the Cavs is if LeBron starts putting the screws publicly to Dan in response.

TT might not have the leverage he had when the QO was on the table, but only just barely. Let's not pretend he has "0 leverage. "

The nuclear option for Thompson isn't sitting out a year but rather signing a 1 year contract with another team forcing the Cavs to match. That contract would certainly be at a higher cost than the QO, minimum range I'd guess at 11 mil for the year.

The "good" news for Cleveland in this scenario: No no trade clause like there'd be with the QO. Of course, what are you going to get for a soon to be unrestricted FA with a difficult agent?

As surprising as this holdout is, it's still in a stage where both sides can potentially walk away happy with a long term deal: No harm no foul. Thompson still hasn't done anything he'll likely regret yet.

 

[AC Got Buckets]

TT might not have the leverage he had when the QO was on the table, but only just barely. Let's not pretend he has "0 leverage. "

The nuclear option for Thompson isn't sitting out a year but rather signing a 1 year contract with another team forcing the Cavs to match. That contract would certainly be at a higher cost than the QO, minimum range I'd guess at 11 mil for the year.

Can't do it - as has been posted in this thread several times, any RFA contract he signs has to be for a minimum of 2 years EXCLUDING any option years.

If he got offered 2/22 from a team, we would match instantly (and laugh at Rich Paul).

 

[Tornicade]

Can't do it - as has been posted in this thread several times, any RFA contract he signs has to be for a minimum of 2 years EXCLUDING any option years.

If he got offered 2/22 from a team, we would match instantly (and laugh at Rich Paul).

He can sign with the Cavs for 1 year. Any offer made by the Cavs is not bound by the terms of an RFA offer sheet.

 

[Change of Pace]

You don't understand. By not signing the QO he has essentially locked him into a deal with the cavs. They can match any deal he gets now or next summer he will still be a restricted free agent.

If he didn't want to play with the cavs he had 2 options.

1. Sign the QO and be a free agent next summer.

2. Get a contract with a team the cavs would not match

3. Sign and trade TT

The 2nd one is not happening because the cavs will match any offer. And since the QO passed he is locked in for at least 2 years. The only other option is a sign and trade which is hard to imagine happening.

So if he didn't want to play for cavs his only shot is essentially gone. And so is his leverage

All I want to know is did TT sign any of the 3 contract offers on the table(4yrs/$48MM, 4yrs/$52MM or 5yrs/$80MM) in the last 15 months to stay with the Cavs long term?

 

[iamacavalier]

All I want to know is did TT sign any of the 3 contract offers on the table(4yrs/$48MM, 4yrs/$52MM or 5yrs/$80MM) in the last 15 months to stay with the Cavs long term?

Do you want an answer more sophisticated than to pressure cavs into giving more mone?. And remember in my original post (had very little to do with him wanting to be here) said we don't know that they have offered 80. It could be less than that. That's what happened with Anderson when he held out. He signed for less than what was reported we offered.

 

[MalTalm]

Can't do it - as has been posted in this thread several times, any RFA contract he signs has to be for a minimum of 2 years EXCLUDING any option years.

If he got offered 2/22 from a team, we would match instantly (and laugh at Rich Paul).

I wasn't aware this had changed, it certainly hasn't always been the case. I take it back, Thompson does have very limited leverage at this point. RP and TT will be relying on the Cavs acting in good faith from here on out.

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

This thread should be locked until T.T signs lol,
Yall are repeating the same shit over and over again for like 3 months now

 

[Change of Pace]

Do you want an answer more sophisticated than to pressure cavs into giving more mone?. And remember in my original post (had very little to do with him wanting to be here) said we don't know that they have offered 80. It could be less than that. That's what happened with Anderson when he held out. He signed for less than what was reported we offered.

Well the answer is no, he did not sign long term with the Cavs and he had 3 chances to do so(at least). Saying all he wants is to play for the Cavs is false, at least by logic.

What does that leave? Oh, TT wants money and that's all he cares about... Not playing for the Cavs.

Andy signed for less than what was reported because like TT he lost all leverage, felt "disrespected" and missed the first 21 games of the season because he decided to hold out(which means he wasn't getting a paycheck).

Had Andy not signed an offer sheet you don't think the holdout would have lasted for the entire season(if not, what would have stopped it)? What incentive did the Cavs then or do the Cavs now(with TT) have to give him what he wants(a max contract)?

The only way the Cavs cave and pay TT is if Love and Andy(possibly Moz) get injured and are out for the entire season again. TT is screwed, if he holds out the entire year(yes it is stupid but he's been stupid for 15 months now) then he will try to get the max(or the most money he can) in the summer of 2016 to try and force the Cavs hand to match... That clearly didn't work this off-season but the line of thinking I've heard/read is there was less money this season so people knew the Cavs would match for sure, next summer I guess Rich Paul/Mark Termini/TT either really know they have 3 teams that will offer the max, they assume there are 3 teams that will offer the max or they're just stupid and going to get zero offers again next summer(or no quality offers[money wise]) and be in the same boat they are now just with TT losing 1 year of ball on his career.

No we don't know what the actual offers were but unless you have inside information on what was actually offered or if nothing was offered then, it's just speculation. They gain nothing by throwing out false offers, I choose to believe that unless you have some compelling evidence to show otherwise.

 

[teamballer]

He can sign with the Cavs for 1 year. Any offer made by the Cavs is not bound by the terms of an RFA offer sheet.

Yes, but there is zero reason for the Cavs to make him a one year offer.

 

[catfish]

Well the answer is no, he did not sign long term with the Cavs and he had 3 chances to do so(at least). Saying all he wants is to play for the Cavs is false, at least by logic.

What does that leave? Oh, TT wants money and that's all he cares about... Not playing for the Cavs.

Andy signed for less than what was reported because like TT he lost all leverage, felt "disrespected" and missed the first 21 games of the season because he decided to hold out(which means he wasn't getting a paycheck).

Had Andy not signed an offer sheet you don't think the holdout would have lasted for the entire season(if not, what would have stopped it)? What incentive did the Cavs then or do the Cavs now(with TT) have to give him what he wants(a max contract)?

The only way the Cavs cave and pay TT is if Love and Andy(possibly Moz) get injured and are out for the entire season again. TT is screwed, if he holds out the entire year(yes it is stupid but he's been stupid for 15 months now) then he will try to get the max(or the most money he can) in the summer of 2016 to try and force the Cavs hand to match... That clearly didn't work this off-season but the line of thinking I've heard/read is there was less money this season so people knew the Cavs would match for sure, next summer I guess Rich Paul/Mark Termini/TT either really know they have 3 teams that will offer the max, they assume there are 3 teams that will offer the max or they're just stupid and going to get zero offers again next summer(or no quality offers[money wise]) and be in the same boat they are now just with TT losing 1 year of ball on his career.

No we don't know what the actual offers were but unless you have inside information on what was actually offered or if nothing was offered then, it's just speculation. They gain nothing by throwing out false offers, I choose to believe that unless you have some compelling evidence to show otherwise.

Your premise is wrong as has been suggested by this Marks guy who everyone likes on Twitter. If the TT brain trust knew he had a max offer in the bag for next year he would have for sure signed the QO and then gotten his real money next year. There is no offer in the bag.

 

[Tornicade]

Yes, but there is zero reason for the Cavs to make him a one year offer.

lets say we get into december and neither side has budged on a long term contract.

Think the Cavs really want to lose out on a full season on Tristan Thompson.?

lets say the Cavs do trade that first pick for another power forward.. This really opens the door for Portland to make an offer no matter how disinterested they really are.

as far as Lost leverage its abundantly clear that the QO offer was not providing any leverage as in the savings it offered the Cavs

Ultimately though there will come a point where the question becomes . does it Thompson help improve your odds of winning a championship. The answer be the yes and the Cavs wont care about "winning" the negotiation and Thompson will be at risk of losing an entire season.

Thats when you will have a deal and if the cavs arent willing to go into that 83-87 range and Thompson wont accept a 3 year deal. a One year deal will be settled on to get Thompson onto the court.

 

[Tornicade]

Your premise is wrong as has been suggested by this Marks guy who everyone likes on Twitter. If the TT brain trust knew he had a max offer in the bag for next year he would have for sure signed the QO and then gotten his real money next year. There is no offer in the bag.

or Paul thought he was closer to a long term deal than he actually was and believes he can do better than the QO in the worst case scenario.