Tristan Thompson

[MalTalm]

lets say we get into december and neither side has budged on a long term contract.

Think the Cavs really want to lose out on a full season on Tristan Thompson.?

lets say the Cavs do trade that first pick for another power forward.. This really opens the door for Portland to make an offer no matter how disinterested they really are.

as far as Lost leverage its abundantly clear that the QO offer was not providing any leverage as in the savings it offered the Cavs

Ultimately though there will come a point where the question becomes . does it Thompson help improve your odds of winning a championship. The answer be the yes and the Cavs wont care about "winning" the negotiation and Thompson will be at risk of losing an entire season.

Thats when you will have a deal and if the cavs arent willing to go into that 83-87 range and Thompson wont accept a 3 year deal. a One year deal will be settled on to get Thompson onto the court.

This logic is terrible.

The Cavs have multiple ways to address a hole created by TT if they assume he's not coming back. TT has no way of returning to the NBA without reaching terms with the Cavs. If Thompson sits out a year, he leaves somewhere in the vicinity of 15 mil on the table, and he's still a restricted free agent. At that point, he'd have to sign a near max deal just to break even had he played at a reduced rate this year, and his leverage hasn't changed whatsoever...

If the Cavs go trade for a replacement and Thompson signs a 2 year deal for 24 mil, the Cavs could still match it and simply trade him away. In this scenario, Thompson is still leaving roughly 6 mil on the table and there's still no guarantee he'd be able to recoup it on the back end. Your argument is predicated on the basis that with Thompson, the Cavs chances of winning a championship are substantially improved versus him sitting out. I'm a Thompson supporter, but he's still the first big off the bench who provides elite rebounding and some quickness in the frontcourt. That can be replaced. Even if the replacement gives you 80% of what Thompson does, it would do little to impact the winning percentage of this roster.

This team will mostly be fueled by the trio, everyone else is a role player. Sure, Thompson makes us better than no Thompson, but not anywhere near what RP is asking. I honestly thought Paul still had an ace up his sleeve by reaching out to another team the way Varejao did. But there won't be many teams who will want to sign up for even 2 years of Thompson if it means taking themselves out of the FA running next summer. He's simply not worth a ticket to the upcoming FA frenzy next summer.

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And there's no way the Cavs sign TT to a one year deal. This FO has valued accumulating assets above all else, they aren't about to let a young big walk away in FA. There's almost zero incentive to do that on a minor gamble that a 6th man might be the difference between a championship and a loss. If the Cavs don't budge, Thompson will HAVE to. Going a year without basketball could fundamentally destroy his career, and that's not hyperbole.

 

[Cavatt]

Hard to believe he would sit out the year. He has made money already, but not the kind of money he has been offered in this new contract. I dunno how long it will be, but he will sign after the first or second paycheck at the latest.

 

[TitleTown]

This is fucking ridiculous. I keep wondering about the butterfly affect possibilities with him holding out for 10 to 20 games.

If we don't win a championship, it will be TT's fault. Fuck that idiotic piece of shit.

 

[Cayman13]

This is fucking ridiculous. I keep wondering about the butterfly affect possibilities with him holding out for 10 to 20 games.

If we don't win a championship, it will be TT's fault. Fuck that idiotic piece of shit.

No it won't. I truly don't believe winning one has ANYTHING to do with Tristan Thompson. He gives you hustle plays and rebounds- that's it. I think we've gt plenty of that on this year's team. Not sweating this tool at all.

 

[Tendulkar]

If we don't win a championship, it will be TT's fault. Fuck that idiotic piece of shit.

Agree with the latter. Not the former.



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[Tendulkar]

When do you guys think this will end?
I don't think TT can drag this shit till the trade deadline and risk being replaced.
He thinks whatever cavs offered initially like 5/80 is his safety net. Cavs can't rescind on it due to Lebron effect. He just wanna see if/when cavs blink. Next milestone is start of regular season. If cavs don't blink by then, his camp will leak rumors that this will be dragged into months. In reality he will only wait a week into the regular season. If cavs didn't budge by the start of the season, nothing will change in couple months. So he will sign immediately after the first week , for whatever is in the table. He might ask for a consolation like a 2 million hike but will take whatever eventually.
So second week of the regular season is the max this shit can continue.

I just wish Cavs force TTs hand before that. But they might be the bigger person here and let the shit run its course.


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[MalTalm]

When do you guys think this will end?
I don't think TT can drag this shit till the trade deadline and risk being replaced.
He thinks whatever cavs offered initially like 5/80 is his safety net. Cavs can't rescind on it due to Lebron effect. He just wanna see if/when cavs blink. Next milestone is start of regular season. If cavs don't blink by then, his camp will leak rumors that this will be dragged into months. In reality he will only wait a week into the regular season. If cavs didn't budge by the start of the season, nothing will change in couple months. So he will sign immediately after the first week , for whatever is in the table. He might ask for a consolation like a 2 million hike but will take whatever eventually.
So second week of the regular season is the max this shit can continue.

I just wish Cavs force TTs hand before that. But they might be the bigger person here and let the shit run its course.


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At some point, the Cavs absolutely can rescind it. It goes like this:

"Hey Rich, if Thompson doesn't get back in the locker room soon, we're going to have to consider other options. You have 72 hours to sign our sheet, or we rescind the offer."

That's hardly pulling the rug out from under them.

 

[Tendulkar]

At some point, the Cavs absolutely can rescind it. It goes like this:

"Hey Rich, if Thompson doesn't get back in the locker room soon, we're going to have to consider other options. You have 72 hours to sign our sheet, or we rescind the offer."

That's hardly pulling the rug out from under them.

That's what Cavs should do. But I don't think that will happen most likely because of Lebron.


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[Tendulkar]

Lemme explain the Lebron factor:
I often thought why do the super athletes don't go for less money and increase their team's chances of a title. I am talking about super stars like Lebron who make a hell of a lot more money than the discount they can afford to their team. It makes total sense because you say you are playing /living/ breathing for the titles and you can always make up that lost money in other forms of you actually win those titles.
Keeping that in mind, Lebron giving a discount to heat to form a super team made super sense. He won the titles he want and the discount he hardly dents his bank balance considering other income.
Now when he is about to come back to Cavs, this is what he must have told cavs."Look I don't wanna compromise on the roster. That's first priority. Now I don't have to give you a discount. You take the tax hit even if you are going into short term losses if it's gonna benefit you long term. So I will still take the max money because I can and I still wanna best team possible. If it's too much to ask lemme know, there are other team who are ready to do that." Obviously Cavs licked their lips at the prospect and made the required promises. And lebrons signing 1 year deals so he can always make sure the FO is toeing the line. Now Lebron is not stupid. If anything he can selfish. He wants to win. He wants to make more money. He wants his pals to make decent money but not at the expense of point 1 or 2 but at the expense of owners pocket.
This brings us to TTs issue. Not just TT , Lebron wants all of his teammates make all they deserved or a little more than what they deserve( I call this Lebron threshold) only at the expense of the owner.
I think Lebron threshold for TT is 5/75 or 5/80. Lebron knows even a billionaire has a hard limit on how much he can spend. If the Cavs low balled TT, Lebron would have publicly supported TT camp by now. He feels what Cavs offered is good enough. I bet he secretly wishes TT doesn't get paid any more than that(give or take a few million). He just wants this to get over with.
The real issue here is Rich Paul is privy to the promises Cavs made to Lebron. Hence the hard adamant stance. RP knows he can always fall back to the original offer is all else fails.
I know this super star stuff doesn't happen often, but may be an agent should not be allowed to represent multiple players of a same team. I mean, if I am Delly or Moz I would just hire RP.


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[KLove14]

This clown not signed yet? When is this gonna end?

 

[I'mWithDan]

This is fucking ridiculous. I keep wondering about the butterfly affect possibilities with him holding out for 10 to 20 games.

If we don't win a championship, it will be TT's fault. Fuck that idiotic piece of shit.

The FO will move on so fast from TT (the minute they sense he'd consider sitting out the year).

There are a handful of PF's that are likely available at any point this season and there will inevitably be a few more that are moved at the deadline.

This team isn't going to wait that long for TT IMO. Griffin will make a move sooner than later.

 

[NtG]

"You want to sign Tristan for less than the max?"

 

[Rambo!]

*Sorry, Repost*
Please people do not forget the Trade Exception that the Cavs have. THIS will give us tons of flexibility to add another $10 Million player that will certainly help the Title run. A Jeff Green would be perfect, a 3 that can play some 4, shoot and defend!
If healthy and trade exception used:
PG-Irving, Mo-Wil, Delly
SG-Smith, Shumpert, Harris
SF-Lebron, JEFF GREEN?, Jefferson, Jones
PF-Love, Thompson
C-Mosgov, Varejao, Kahn....
Thoughts?

 

[Danny Arison]

Kyle'Oquinn would have been perfect for us, the guy is being paid 4/16 and is much more talented than TT at almost every aspect of the game, he has midrange, blocking ability and is pretty big.
too bad we couldn't or didn't acquire him.
it would have made TT redundant.

 

[HurricaneKid]

*Sorry, Repost*
Please people do not forget the Trade Exception that the Cavs have. THIS will give us tons of flexibility to add another $10 Million player that will certainly help the Title run. A Jeff Green would be perfect, a 3 that can play some 4, shoot and defend!
If healthy and trade exception used:
PG-Irving, Mo-Wil, Delly
SG-Smith, Shumpert, Harris
SF-Lebron, JEFF GREEN?, Jefferson, Jones
PF-Love, Thompson
C-Mosgov, Varejao, Kahn....
Thoughts?

The entire problem with this line of thought is the punitive nature of the tax. If TT signs the 5/80 he starts off at 14M this year. The Cavs pay 3.75 for every dollar in lux tax. So he costs 66.5M, or >95% of the salary cap. If they ALSO add a 10M player we are talking about ANOTHER 47.5M on top of that. I'm sorry but I don't see how adding TT and Jeff Green is possibly worth 114M.

I DO think it allows us to leverage TT as we approach the season. You tell LeBron, TT, anyone that will listen that you have a deal lined up to add Brandon Bass/whomever for the TPE and given all the injuries you will need to pull the trigger in 48 hours. Because TT and his team will know that all but leaves him on the outside looking in permanently. That there is no way the Cavs will be adding another 67M in salary at that point and that there aren't any min left for him.

I think the TPE will be used in the first mo of the offseason next year. Probably for Joe Johnson (depending on the rate of his decline this year).