Shootouts and explosions in Paris

Pioneer10 said:

I dont get this critique of hypocrisy. You can give charity that helps american poor but on the other hand charities that help Syrians many of their main goals is relocate sue to security. People need help in different ways and charitable giving is just one way and will not help certain populations no matter how much you give of your net worth

In addition, we actually help ourselves with immigration. Even when Castro dumped a bunch of criminals we were better off for it.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-18/admitting-syrian-refugees-is-good-economics

It not only the right thing to do morally but for the economy

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You're only proving the point. It's the right thing to do, as long as YOU don't have to do anything.

JSS2306 said:

To bullshit.

Let's get this thing back on track. Tonight, 5 Syrians were caught before trying to enter the US by stolen passports in Honduras.

http://news.yahoo.com/honduras-arrests-five-syrians-headed-us-stolen-passports-204536480.html

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"Five Syrian citizens have been detained and will be taken to our offices to be investigated because it is suspected they are carrying false documents, passports stolen in Greece," Baca said.

They had traveled by air from Syria to Lebanon, then to Turkey, Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica and on to Honduras.

From there they were to make their way to Honduras' second city of San Pedro Sula with the aim of going overland through Guatemala, then Mexico and on to the United States, Baca told AFP."

Got some serious cash to be traveling like that if they are refugees fleeing for their lives.

Notorious said:

You're only proving the point. It's the right thing to do, as long as YOU don't have to do anything.

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Whats not to like about a free lunch? [emoji14] Immigration is a win a win in this case

Maximus said:

Ok, US homeless first...we agree.

Next, if i have to bring in 10,000 people, i choose 10,000 starving orphans from Africa over the Syrians...you?

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i dont agree with US homeless.

they have/had opportunity.

give charity to those who never did.

also, the US homeless are a biproduct of other issues that arent adddressed. mental health, and drug addiction. fix THAT shit and the world is infinitely better. Including less homeless. kill a flock of birds with one stone.

KI4MVP said:

I have been meaning to start a thread about his for a while. Why are there so many homeless in america? We visited Chicago recently and I was shocked at how many homeless people there were. Certainly everyone qualifies for enough aid to at least have a place to live. Am I wrong about that? Once people become homeless in America, how do they ever escape it?

Our company sent boxes and boxes of clothing to a tent city in Wooster. The people there wouldn't take it and were mad we offered. I don't understand it.

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Over 50% of homeless people are dealing with mental health issues and/or drug addiction. You could give them tons of money and they either wouldn't have the mental faculties to spend it properly or would use it to buy drugs.

macbdog said:

"Five Syrian citizens have been detained and will be taken to our offices to be investigated because it is suspected they are carrying false documents, passports stolen in Greece," Baca said.

They had traveled by air from Syria to Lebanon, then to Turkey, Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica and on to Honduras.

From there they were to make their way to Honduras' second city of San Pedro Sula with the aim of going overland through Guatemala, then Mexico and on to the United States, Baca told AFP."

Got some serious cash to be traveling like that if they are refugees fleeing for their lives.

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Same shit with these 5 young 20 something foreigners pulled over in Newton Falls, Ohio who had a credit card duplicating machine in the car they were pulled over in. Where'd they get that from? Shit, I couldn't acquire one of those if I wanted to.

The fuck...

These times are like an everyday Christmas for extremists especially since they pulled off the attacks in Paris.

There is no way that America is ready to take in refugees from a country that is dominated by such religious and social turmoil as Syria whom we are essentially low key at war with. If someone is willing to die for their cause, how do you vet them?

I don't think you can. When you take into consideration the lengths at which Islamic extremists will go for any length of time... there's just no way you can let them walk in here due to a "2 year rule."

I'm sorry, it's not bigoted to say that we are less safe by giving haven to Syrian refugees whom just so happen to have extreme views of America from all sides and are actively trying to enter the country via stolen identities. Not fake, stolen identities. That's a fact.

We have many enemies in Syria and it ain't just ISIS. If you have the aptitude to carry out a major attack, you're going to blend in as something you may not be and the Paris attacks clearly illustrate this.

Pioneer10 said:

Whats not to like about a free lunch? [emoji14] Immigration is a win a win in this case

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An article from the most well funded, most biased news organization supporting the left is a guarantee of a free lunch?


I'm neither left nor right to be clear. So don't start. I believe in global warming, pro-choice, pro gun, and for gay marriage. All of them shouldn't even be a political issue. Do you know how many hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to become President? There is no one funding a run out of their own pocket. These people were all bought and paid for, left and right, before they ever stepped foot in the whitehouse. They owe favors for those "donations." If you think otherwise you are nuts.

spydy13 said:

Over 50% of homeless people are dealing with mental health issues and/or drug addiction. You could give them tons of money and they either wouldn't have the mental faculties to spend it properly or would use it to buy drugs.

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providing shelter doesn't have to mean giving drug addicts or the mentally ill money to attain it with on their own.

spydy13 said:

Over 50% of homeless people are dealing with mental health issues and/or drug addiction. You could give them tons of money and they either wouldn't have the mental faculties to spend it properly or would use it to buy drugs.

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Funny, you'd think a bunch of people watching people be slaughtered all over their homeland, leaving everything behind for a foreign land and traveling on a boat where people next to you drowned on the trip would have some mental problems as well.

So that solves it. We can't give the refugees anything because they don't have the mental faculties to spend it properly or appreciate it.

I hope everyone can agree this needs to change



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...h-florida-republicans-paris-attacks/75982996/

KI4MVP said:

providing shelter doesn't have to mean giving drug addicts or the mentally ill money to attain it with on their own.

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That's totally true. I was just giving a partial reason why despite the aid available to people there are still homeless in this country.

Notorious said:

Funny, you'd think a bunch of people watching people be slaughtered all over their homeland, leaving everything behind for a foreign land and traveling on a boat where people next to you drowned on the trip would have some mental problems as well.

So that solves it. We can't give the refugees anything because they don't have the mental faculties to spend it properly or appreciate it.

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You could certainly argue that's the case since there are a good number of our own troops that come back from those places with PTSD and end up homeless as well.

KI4MVP said:

I hope everyone can agree this needs to change

When the bombs started falling near her family's apartment building in Aleppo, Syria, Amal Saleh was too scared to leave their home.

Now, after a 21-month journey that scattered her family around the world and left one of them dead, the Syrian refugee finds herself scared to leave her new home near Fort Lauderdale. This time, it's the Americans she's scared of.

Saleh said she's watched in horror as Americans have focused their fears following the Paris terrorist attacks on Syrian refugees trying to find safety. "The same way that Americans are afraid of us, now we are afraid of them," said Saleh, 45, from the home she shares with her husband and their four teenage children. "I would tell them that we, the Syrian people, are very peaceful. These are children, women and elderly who have no blame for what's happening. We have been vetted very thoroughly.

"We deserve to live."​

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...h-florida-republicans-paris-attacks/75982996/

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Do you have kids? A wife? If something happened to them like what happened in Paris? Are you ok with that because you didn't want to offend someone from Syria?

Below is Mathias and Marie. They were dear friends to quite a few of my friends. They were out enjoying a rock concert in Paris on Friday. Then at least one Syrian refugee and some other members of ISIS showed up.




They're in this pile somewhere now. WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE




If you can look at that and say yeah, I'm willing to possibly have that happen to everyone I know and everyone I don't know in this country. My family, friends, my wife, my kids, all may encounter something like this, but it's worth the risk because this is really important. Then fair enough.

Sometimes I think the bleeding hearts just see this all as statistics and not real life.

The Human Q-Tip said:

Heh, editing issue, but I'll finish the thought anyway...

When i went to law school, I had no idea that there were so many Jewish lawyers, or that Jewish lawyers were a "thing". Not a clue. Really didn't figure it out until I went looking for a clerkship before my first summer.

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Jews are wherever the money is. They have a nose for it. @Lee

KI4MVP said:

I hope everyone can agree this needs to change

When the bombs started falling near her family's apartment building in Aleppo, Syria, Amal Saleh was too scared to leave their home.

Now, after a 21-month journey that scattered her family around the world and left one of them dead, the Syrian refugee finds herself scared to leave her new home near Fort Lauderdale. This time, it's the Americans she's scared of.

Saleh said she's watched in horror as Americans have focused their fears following the Paris terrorist attacks on Syrian refugees trying to find safety. "The same way that Americans are afraid of us, now we are afraid of them," said Saleh, 45, from the home she shares with her husband and their four teenage children. "I would tell them that we, the Syrian people, are very peaceful. These are children, women and elderly who have no blame for what's happening. We have been vetted very thoroughly.

"We deserve to live."​

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...h-florida-republicans-paris-attacks/75982996/

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That's not good enough. These people are in the middle of a civil fucking war. How the hell is that "peaceful"?

It's not peaceful and the people who rise to Assad are also killing the very same people the US supports to take out other extremists.

It's a complete clusterfuck of nonsense over there. You just can't risk taking in people who are coming from extreme situations and expect them to thrive in this country. It doesn't work. We're relying on terrorists to take out Assad. How do you let this enter the US? Get educated on this situation because it's much more than one human's word. It's putting this countries security at risk based on religious and geopolitical beliefs. There is the emotion and there is the factual reality. I take the side of reality.