Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

No way on #1 for Kirk. For #12...probably.

Any chance you could make that trade right in the middle of the draft when you know who's available to you at 12 and if they're your guys? Probably almost no way the Skins would allow that to happen.

The Wizard of Moz said:

God is this hard for me. I love me some Kirk... but I love me some Myles.

Would trade the #12 overall in an eighth of a millisecond

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For a 1 year loan!??!

Best idea I've heard to address the utterly crippling quarterback situation is trading both second rounders this year for Garoppolo. It helps New England reload for Brady's Glory Years, but gives the Browns a player on the end of his rookie deal with starting pedigree.

Pick6 said:

For a 1 year loan!??!

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It assumes he signs a long term contract.

He is a free agent and not tradeable without a signed contract.

I am not sure on 12 either. He is going to get paid a ton, I might be more opt to give them this years 2nd and next years 2nd than the 12th overall pick.

Pick6 said:

For a 1 year loan!??!

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Would just tag him into oblivion if he didn't sign long term

Hell no. Trade the #1, pay him $24m and then possibly lose him? He also wants a 5 yr extension over $100m. He's a career 19-21 starter with a lot better talent than we have. I'd look at Garoppolo...no to Cousins. I wouldn't trade the #12 for him.

Maximus said:

Hell no. Trade the #1, pay him $24m and then possibly lose him? He also wants a 5 yr extension over $100m. He's a career 19-21 starter with a lot better talent than we have. I'd look at Garoppolo...no to Cousins. I wouldn't trade the #12 for him.

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You like that?!

No, no I do not...

Maximus said:

Hell no. Trade the #1, pay him $24m and then possibly lose him? He also wants a 5 yr extension over $100m. He's a career 19-21 starter with a lot better talent than we have. I'd look at Garoppolo...no to Cousins. I wouldn't trade the #12 for him.

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Both 2nd round picks? I guess if you want to win now it may be worth it.

Gotta keep in mind there is never any risk in losing a guy if you commit to not using your franchise tag on other players.

You can literally tag the same player every year until he retires. Now this never happens because players also know this and value the guaranteed money in the Not For Long league. The mere threat of being tagged year in and year out is usually why the tag is rarely used. Players hate playing for it, and it's a great negotiating tactic.

If we got Kirk this is the first thing I would show to him when he entered Berea:



Or maybe this:





But I'm certainly not worried about giving a QB who has produced at his level 1/5 of our mountain of cap space per year (we could literally pay his entire 100 million dollar contract based on just our cumulated cap space for next year) so I don't know why people always want to worry about marginally overpaying when we have amassed Mount Cap Space

Lord Mar said:

Both 2nd round picks? I guess if you want to win now it may be worth it.

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I've heard rumblings that the asking price is a 1st and a 4th, our two 2nd rounders are a competitive offer, but a 2nd and 3rd is also believable. It all depends on the offers New England gets from other QB desperate franchises.

The Wizard of Moz said:

Gotta keep in mind there is never any risk in losing a guy if you commit to not using your franchise tag on other players.

You can literally tag the same player every year until he retires. Now this never happens because players also know this and value the guaranteed money in the Not For Long league. The mere threat of being tagged year in and year out is usually why the tag is rarely used. Players hate playing for it, and it's a great negotiating tactic.

If we got Kirk this is the first thing I would show to him when he entered Berea:



Or maybe this:





But I'm certainly not worried about giving a QB who has produced at his level 1/5 of our mountain of cap space per year (we could literally pay his entire 100 million dollar contract based on just our cumulated cap space for next year) so I don't know why people always want to worry about marginally overpaying when we have amassed Mount Cap Space

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You can only franchise tag a player twice and a qb 3 years in a row now, changed under new CBA. The third year for qb has to include a 44% raise over the previous year.

So you are suggesting we would have 3 years of him, but would be by far the highest paid qb if we kept franching him for 3 years, then we lose him after paying him what i assume is about 90 million for 3 years of Kirk Cousins.

Talk about a monumental waste of money and a good way to piss off allot of potential players.

PS., the math is 24 for sure this year, lets say 26 for next then the 44% increase so 37.5 for the last, so almost 90 million for 3 years.

Kirk is really good.

Id absolutely give them 12.

Chris said:

Kirk is really good.

Id absolutely give them 12.

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Yeah for #12 I think Kirk would be a no brainer. Pay him whatever he wants, because you have a franchise QB right there.

A guy that has almost thrown for 5,000 in back to back years with almost a 3:1 TD/INT ratio over that span.

54 TD's/23 INT.

Triplethreat said:

Yeah for #12 I think Kirk would be a no brainer. Pay him whatever he wants, because you have a franchise QB right there.

A guy that has almost thrown for 5,000 in back to back years with almost a 3:1 TD/INT ratio over that span.

54 TD's/23 INT.

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Yeah. I had to read those numbers twice to believe it.

Can the Redskins sign to him a long deal and then trade him to us? Seems like a huge risk to give up #12 if Cousins isn't already locked up long term.

If that is possible, I'd way rather do that than give up two 2nd rounders for Jimmy G considering he's hardly played and played in a system that made Matt Cassell and Jacoby Brissett look good.