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I think it's more I'm impressed that his form didnt look broken for a player with his skill set.
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I think it's more I'm impressed that his form didnt look broken for a player with his skill set.
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Marcus Ottey: 13.4 BPM (LeBron level)
RJ Barrett: -8.9 BPM
Just for context here, Ottey had 17 / 5 / 3 on 43% from the field with a 37% usage, 42.9% EFG and 50.4% TS. It's clear I don't understand the value of BPM calculation.
BPM is saying RJ was worse than Anthony Bennett bad last night.A 30 PER on 26 shots is the only thing that truly matters here to me. I'm not trying to cast aside efficiency in other roles but efficiency at volume is what separates the men from the boys. Lots of guys can be a #2 at the NBA level.....very few can be a #1.
I view any prospect through this prism. Reddish and Zion both played well but if we hit seasons' end and Barrett shoots 50% from the floor and 40+% from 3, while scoring 30 a game and showing the portfolio of NBA finishing moves.....yeah, that guy is getting picked #1.
If Zion can somehow score 28 a game on 14 shots, at seasons end, I'd pull a Goldhammer and eat shit.
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Marcus Ottey: 13.4 BPM (LeBron level)
RJ Barrett: -8.9 BPM
Just for context here, Ottey had 17 / 5 / 3 on 43% from the field with a 37% usage. 42.9% EFG and 50.4% TS. It's clear I don't understand the value of BPM calculation.
A 30 PER on 26 shots is the only thing that truly matters here to me. I'm not trying to cast aside efficiency in other roles but efficiency at volume is what separates the men from the boys. Lots of guys can be a #2 at the NBA level.....very few can be a #1.
I view any prospect through this prism. Reddish and Zion both played well but if we hit seasons' end and Barrett shoots 50% from the floor and 40+% from 3, while scoring 30 a game and showing the portfolio of NBA finishing moves.....yeah, that guy is getting picked #1.
If Zion can somehow score 28 a game on 14 shots, at seasons end, I'd pull a Goldhammer and eat shit.
I think what you're missing is that Zion played only 23 minutes. On a per-minute basis, he attempted more field goals and more free throws than Trae Young did last season. When he was on the court, he was playing like a #1 option and then some, and he was doing it with ridiculous efficiency. It's just one game, of course, and it's silly to make a comparison based on just one game. But by an reasonable measure, Zion was the more impressive player last night.
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Marcus Ottey: 13.4 BPM
RJ Barrett: -8.9 BPM
Just for context here, Ottey had 17 / 5 / 3 on 43% from the field with a 37% usage. It's clear I don't understand the value of BPM.
A 30 PER on 26 shots is the only thing that truly matters here IMO. I'm not trying to cast aside efficiency in other roles but efficiency at volume is what separates the men from the boys. Lots of guys can be a #2 at the NBA level.....very few can be a #1.
I view any prospect through this prism. Reddish and Zion both played well but if we hit seasons' end and Barrett shoots 50% from the floor and 40+% from 3, while scoring 30 a game and showing the portfolio of NBA finishing moves.....yeah, that guy is getting picked #1.
If Zion can somehow score 28 a game on 14 shots, at seasons end, I'd pull a Goldhammer and eat shit.
Lol, it's just one game but every time a player has such negative BPM on such an explosive stat line on a team that completely trashed the other team, it causes me to raise an eyebrow you know? Why is it so negative? how could it be? why does his offensive impact made him lower his team's ortg by much? I mean he shot well, he dished out assists, so what is it? (Yes, I know it's 1 game sample, but he is an aberration amongst the other two prospects)
Why is PER important here? PER merely measures player's per minute efficiency by accounting for field goals, steals, blocks, TOs, free throws, ETC. So ofcourse he should rank high in this, even then he ranked behind the other two. I'm just asking why he had negative impact on his team's ORTG (DRTG doesn't matter to me right now).
PER favors volume... certainly if it's on above average efficiency.
Lol, it's so, so early, but there is nothing to talk about so we might as well start with the hot takes, even if there are only warm.
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I mean, he did have 6 assists.
The offense runs through him, as it should. I love his assertiveness. He forced a couple dumb shots last night, but he'll learn quickly that he doesn't need to do that.
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Yeah, my head honestly was spinning at his BPM number......like my jaw hit the floor after what my eyes saw.
BPM is a per 100 calculation isn't it? Maybe Barrett's usage just massively drug it down but it's super strange seeing someone like Ottey have a near 40 on a pedestrian stat line and post a god like BPM.
Just for context here, Ottey with the above stat line, posted an identical BPM to Zion (13.4). I don't understand that stat......or maybe it has absolutely no value in 1 game samples.
BPM does weird things on small sample size...for instance, Barrett's 0.0% offensive rebound rate, 0.0% steal rate, and 0.0% block rate probably hurt him a lot, as does his 50% foul shooting. Obviously he'll regress to the mean in those areas before long, and then his BPM will stabilize at a more normal number.
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Yeah, it's very weird.
Yeah, PER, OBPM, DBPM, BPM are all per 100. Maybe like Nathan said, his abnormal low stl rate, elk rate (0%) might have affected it greatly too (???)
Edit: Buuut, I think his style of play can prove to be a negative at times, certainly in the NBA? Like it looks like he has a tendency to force things..he is ball dominant, so he will have to force it at times, but I do believe his FT rate will be very high, so it will help a lot.
I think RJ, Zion, and Cam could all struggle to create off the dribble against NBA wings, for different reasons. What makes Zion different is that he may not have to create against NBA wings...he'll be playing PF, maybe even C. That's a huge advantage, and that's where his superstar upside is IMO.
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Yeah, he seems like a perfect 4 in today's league who can also play small-ball 5...Basically an offensively gifted Draymond with an elite first step, and top .1% athleticism.
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Using the BPM #'s after a single game to compare players is absolutely pointless.
You're going to need a good 5, if not 10 game sample to have any realistic idea as to what the BPM #'s are accurately portraying.
You're going to need a good 5, if not 10 game sample to have any realistic idea as to what the BPM #'s are accurately portraying.
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I know it's kinda pointless, and yet still interesting.
Would you rather talk about the Cavs?!
Also, this is the first time I thought a college team could beat an NBA team. This Duke team would beat the shit out of the Cavs right?
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As much I love Zion and RJ, they don't even come close.
Maybe a little bit of a stretch...even LeBron at 18 years old wasn't a very good player at the NBA level. Then again, the Cavs really suck
I'd buy tickets to that game.
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Much more impressed with RJ than I have been in warm ups and the world games. Has the franchise player look about him, handles the ball has a mamba mentality.
But Zion is just an NBA 2k custom player come to life so much score in his game. Just needs to continue to grow and develop. Some great right hand finishing for the lefty
But Zion is just an NBA 2k custom player come to life so much score in his game. Just needs to continue to grow and develop. Some great right hand finishing for the lefty