2011 NBA Redraft

[Kouki]

Agree with above two - Kyrie is that good.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Big men are hit and miss regardless of origin.
In an attempt to redirect the thread back to its original intent, I am going to throw out a controversial hypothetical..

if we had drafted Kanter first, Tristan fourth and Isaiah Thomas in the second round, would we be in better shape going into the 2012 draft?

Better shape for drafting Anthony Davis, MKG, or Barnes......

It wouldn't be a bad core to start, but Kyrie is such a friggin beast.

 

[Pioneer10]

To counter the hypothetical, I'll say Kyrie will better then any player in the 2011 and 2012 draft so it would lunacy not to pick him.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Irving has to be one of the most slept on #1 picks of all time. I understand only playing 11 games didn't help. But the "rich man's Mike Conley" comparisons were friggin brutal. Don't get me wrong, Mike Conley is a nice player. But c'mon...... The dude couldn't shoot a lick in college. Small sample size or not, Irving was flat out dominating when playing. I was never a fan of the take Williams #1 and Knight #4 scenario either. But for the Jonas fans, I did infact stick up for your boy over Kanter.

 

[MattyFos.]

........ Koufus wasn't Euro. He came from Glen Oak High School here in Canton.......

 

[MRMsix6]

If the Cavs had played one or two of these games where Kyrie goes bananas in the fourth on national TV, he would be getting about 10x the amount of hype he is now. I doubt most casual fans have seen more than a few highlights of him this year. I'm pretty sure I like it better this way.

 

[metalman213]

........ Koufus wasn't Euro. He came from Glen Oak High School here in Canton.......

hes greek though, and he plays for the greek national teams, and for them in the u18 tourney.

 

[czvo]

hes greek though, and he plays for the greek national teams, and for them in the u18 tourney.

He still grew up in the American system.

Chris Kaman plays for the German national team, he's not a Euro.

 

[Triumph36]

My preference for Jonas is well known but I like(d) Kanter, too. Jonas a bit more though.

I think it's hilarious that people (not necessarily here but on other boards and in the media) actually suggested the Williams/Knight duo. Yikes. If Grant did that I'd have demanded his head and that would be before the season even started when Kyrie was still somewhat of an "unknown."

 

[MattyFos.]

My preference for Jonas is well known but I like(d) Kanter, too. Jonas a bit more though.

I think it's hilarious that people (not necessarily here but on other boards and in the media) actually suggested the Williams/Knight duo. Yikes. If Grant did that I'd have demanded his head and that would be before the season even started when Kyrie was still somewhat of an "unknown."

It's hard to judge Williams and Knight. They both went to the worst possible teams for them. Tough situations.

 

[metalman213]

He still grew up in the American system.

Chris Kaman plays for the German national team, he's not a Euro.

my point actually wasnt about the euro style of play, its that koufos dominated it, but it hasnt exactly transferred to the nba. id say it says more about the talent level in the euro league than the style of play.

 

[Triumph36]

It's hard to judge Williams and Knight. They both went to the worst possible teams for them. Tough situations.

but they are still mike beasley 2.0 and a pg who doesn't actually know how to play pg no matter where they play

 

[Derek]

my point actually wasnt about the euro style of play, its that koufos dominated it, but it hasnt exactly transferred to the nba. id say it says more about the talent level in the euro league than the style of play.

And in the NCAA, Kemba Walker, Michael Beasley, Jimmer Fredette, JJ Redick, Sean May, Kyle Singler and Juan Dixon dominated.

It goes both ways. Might sound crazy, but I think this is where scouting comes into play.

 

[metalman213]

And in the NCAA, Kemba Walker, Michael Beasley, Jimmer Fredette, JJ Redick, Sean May, Kyle Singler and Juan Dixon dominated.

It goes both ways. Might sound crazy, but I think this is where scouting comes into play.

it certainly does, and there are certainly busts that come from ncaa. i realy dont want to use kofous as the only example, but i dont know of many other players who played both ncaa and euro. kofous really didnt dominate in the ncaa though. again, this is only one example, and as someone who bases his opinions mainly on facts, its admittedly a low sample size. this is exactly where scouting comes into play. my point was that the euroleague talent, at least the u18 talent, is not on the level of the ncaa imo. kemba and jimmer, btw, are rookies and could certainly improve. i think kemba could be pretty good, but jimmer's weaknesses have been known for a long time. as for beasley, i think hes really talented. his mind is just basically non-existent. i just have more confidence picking a player who could matchup against other top draft picks during some games. basically vs other top talent in some games and seeing how they fair. college has pretty effectively eliminated busts as bad as kwame, who never played against other top talent and dominated against lesser talent.

 

[Derek]

it certainly does, and there are certainly busts that come from ncaa. i realy dont want to use kofous as the only example, but i dont know of many other players who played both ncaa and euro. kofous really didnt dominate in the ncaa though. again, this is only one example, and as someone who bases his opinions mainly on facts, its admittedly a low sample size. this is exactly where scouting comes into play.my point was that the euroleague talent, at least the u18 talent, is not on the level of the ncaa imo. kemba and jimmer, btw, are rookies and could certainly improve. i think kemba could be pretty good, but jimmer's weaknesses have been known for a long time. as for beasley, i think hes really talented. his mind is just basically non-existent. i just have more confidence picking a player who could matchup against other top draft picks during some games. basically vs other top talent in some games and seeing how they fair. college has pretty effectively eliminated busts as bad as kwame, who never played against other top talent and dominated against lesser talent.

I'm not surprised that u18 talent isn't on par with the NCAA. U18 is high school aged kids. I'm sure Koufos dominated at Glen Oak to the same degree he dominated the u18 tourny.