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2012 Cavs Summer League

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The analysis is much appreciated for those who can't/don't watch the game. This is why I love RCF.
 
This reminds me of when everyone was saying Kyrie was a terrible pick after he shot 2/12 in the first game of the season... The over-analysis is priceless.
 
On top of Zeller doing everything pretty well, I thought Zeller's D was decent. I think we really got ourselves a 7 footer with a long career ahead of him. I thought TT looked good out there. I wasn't expecting TT to turn into a jumpshooter, but his rebounding, D, and hustle all looked good.

I'm not worried about Dion. His jumper will fall. Byron should be the cure for his transition D woes.
 
I read the game thread with every body banging on Dion's lazy defense, but the score was 64/68... This Charlotte team scored 120 points in thier previous game. Are we saying MKG is worth a 60 point swing? Or was someone on the cavs team playing D?

It was an amazing display of how not to shoot the basketball. :gap:

The Cavs certainly played some solid interior defense (Zeller blocked and affected quite a few shots) but the Bobcats were just clanging jumpers.

Dion wandered a bit too much on D and didn't get down in to a stance. It was obvious that his offense was effecting his effort and body language on defense.

It's summer league though, so people need to keep it in perspective. It's a glorified open gym.
 
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It was an amazing display of how not to shoot the basketball. :gap:

The Cavs certainly played some solid interior defense (Zeller blocked and affected quite a few shots) but the Bobcats were just clanging jumpers.

Dion wandered a bit too much on D and didn't get down in to a stance. It was obvious that his offense was effecting his effort and body language on defense.

It's summer league though, so people need to keep it in perspective. It's a glorified open gym.

Yes, Dion played horrendous defense in all facets. He was disinterested in getting back in transition, he watched the ball-handler too much, completely disregarding his own man on several occasions before suddenly oh-shit remembering he's playing man-to-man, he gambled on jumping into passing lanes without any of the success that occasionally justifies the risk, and, most alarmingly, his on-ball defense was atrocious, consisting exclusively of high-stanced, on-his-heels, slapping, reaching or reach-around attempts (always a bad idea) after his man blew by him. The one that really stands out to me was when Charlotte's Carlon Brown drove straight towards him, gave a weak shake, and Dion just stood there and let him go by without moving his feet whatsoever then attempted the last resort reach-around poke :)hay:) to try and get the ball out, giving up the And-1 layup.

With Dion it's just one summer league game, so who cares?

With Zeller it means he's a successful pick already.

Don't know if we can have it both ways. (not saying you did this in your post)

This one game doesn't mean much at all. Maybe nothing. But given the uncertainty that comes with evaluating draft prospects (now rookies, technically), it's hard to not be bummed a little about Dion's performance. His defense was consistently horrendous -- not just in understanding the concepts, but in effort, as well. His offense wasn't much more impressive. He looked like a streaky, scores-in-bunches, sixth man combo guard out there in that his effort and mentality was either green-light chucking or completely uninvolved, with little middle ground. His shots weren't falling, but it's not like he was taking good, open shots that should have gone in, for the most part. He looked completely disinterested in doing anything away from the ball, or even just moving to create a passing lane on the perimeter. And his drives were occasionally sloppy and out of control.

AND it's just one summer league game. So it means virtually nothing. Byron hasn't even begun to mold him or indoctrinate him. Nerves and rust affect some players differently than others. He may have been asked to do some things differently without Kyrie out there. And perhaps most importantly, I think this summer team's wings might be the worst I've ever seen in anything even ostensibly related to professional basketball. Temple and Kennedy made me physically ill watching them. And the bigs were setting terrible picks, as well. Ben Wallace and Andy might be our only really competent pick-setters in the past decade. It always seems lacking on this team.

Speaking of bigs, I'm with Pioneer on that Tristan Thompson dissatisfaction. This isn't just one summer league game, it's another look at the kid after watching him struggle with many basketball-related skills for a year, only to see him still struggling with those same things. He is so damn weak. One move. Can't back anybody down and power his way inside, nor does he possess the finesse to spin off his man or footwork to maneuver his way in; he just dribbles parallel to the baseline, no movement toward the hoop and the path of least resistance, and throws up that awkward hook/park ball slop toward the basket. That's not an NBA move. He's still stuttering stanley when he gets the ball under the basket, shuffling, pumping, and shaking rather than just powering up through contact. How about the one play where it was saved from going out of bounds to him directly under the basket, only for him to actually wait for the defenders to get back to him rather than just jumping. What has he been doing this off-season?

That was a long rant. Sorry. But I'm excited to see Dion again, particularly against a team that doesn't run a fucking bush-league zone defense. There were some signs, but really I'm just anxious to get another chance to watch him get another chance to play. I think he'll be exciting when he finds his comfort zone and after Byron reminds him that his defense is his defense. As for Tristan, I'm being too hard on him, I know. But I'm having a harder time by the day imagining him becoming any sort of important player in this league. But it's still too early, so I'll just try to be a more patient fan, I guess.
 
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I read the game thread with every body banging on Dion's lazy defense, but the score was 64/68... This Charlotte team scored 120 points in thier previous game. Are we saying MKG is worth a 60 point swing? Or was someone on the cavs team playing D?


Both teams shot a combined 4-36 (11.1%) from three.

Kemba and Byron Mullens shot a combined 6-31 (19.4%) from the field.

The Bobcats had poured in 121 against the Kings. The Kings have Jimmer.
It's also not a good sign when Hassan Whiteside is overwhelmingly your best defender.
 
Agree whole-heartedly. Especially with disappointment in Thompson.
 
But I'm excited to see Dion again, particularly against a team that doesn't run a fucking bush-league zone defense.

Yeah, I understand that the Bobcats are coming off the worst win percentage in NBA history and they want to win everything they can in the name of "developing winning culture" (talk about futile efforts :chuckles:), but pressing in the middle of the second quarter and sending traps at DJ Kennedy is not what the Summer League is really about. Development and exposure to more NBA style basketball for their young players is what most teams are trying to accomplish.
 
Yeah, I understand that the Bobcats are coming off the worst win percentage in NBA history and they want to win everything they can in the name of "developing winning culture" (talk about futile efforts :chuckles:), but pressing in the middle of the second quarter and sending traps at DJ Kennedy is not what the Summer League is really about. Development and exposure to more NBA style basketball for their young players is what most teams are trying to accomplish.

Yea they really did go all out on DJ Kennedy didn't they? I get that you want to win...but man, the primary goal in summer league is to develop players. The Bobcats won't be seeing DJ Kennedy in the NBA so that type of in your face defense full court isn't going to work.

BTW, I'd like to see someone else start tonight over Kennedy. He clearly doesn't belong.
 
Yeah, I understand that the Bobcats are coming off the worst win percentage in NBA history and they want to win everything they can in the name of "developing winning culture" (talk about futile efforts :chuckles:), but pressing in the middle of the second quarter and sending traps at DJ Kennedy is not what the Summer League is really about. Development and exposure to more NBA style basketball for their young players is what most teams are trying to accomplish.

The Bobcats pressed for most of their summer league Game 1, and the new coach has talked about pressing and playing uptempo this season. So I don't think it was a gimmick just to get more points off of DJ Kennedy. It just looks a lot more effective when you're throwing a press at him versus other players. We'll see how it works for them in the regular season.
 
Yeah, I understand that the Bobcats are coming off the worst win percentage in NBA history and they want to win everything they can in the name of "developing winning culture" (talk about futile efforts :chuckles:), but pressing in the middle of the second quarter and sending traps at DJ Kennedy is not what the Summer League is really about. Development and exposure to more NBA style basketball for their young players is what most teams are trying to accomplish.

Sure showed me DJ Kennedy has no idea what to when he is trapped.
 
I remember back to the days when no one even knew summer league existed and thus no one gave a shit about how someone played in it. I miss those days.
 
Don't know if we can have it both ways. (not saying you did this in your post)

Good, because I didn't. :tongue:

I haven't been on here tooting anyone's horn or on the flip side, bashing anyone. It's summer league, it honestly does not matter. There are guys that kill summer league and do nothing in the NBA and there are guys who get killed in summer league and turn in to very good pros.

It's not worth the time many people devote to it. It's just organized practice where every fringe player is out to "get theirs". Ball movement typically sucks, there's little floor spacing, guys take terrible shots, there's no continuity, many don't play defense and the refs just want to get out of there. It's somewhere in-between And1 and an All-Star game.

Watch it, try to enjoy it but drawing conclusions from it is typically a shot in the dark (at best).
 
Is today's game only on NBA TV at 3AM???
 
Is today's game only on NBA TV at 3AM???

Correct. The Cavs game vs the D-League wasn't designated as being shown on NBAtv when they release the Summer League schedule.

I guess they are just showing a taping over the night just to fill a time slot.
 

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