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Not sure why Barnes gets the hate he does. Maybe he's not the super athlete and playmaker people thought he would be coming out of high school. But he still has an extremely high basketball IQ, is an excellent shooter, and would be a great piece next to Irving and Thompson.

He gets all this hate because he was "supposed" to be a Kobe type player coming into college, at least that was what people's expectations were. So people are expecting someone who can dominate games attacking the basket and what they get is a guy who is a jump shooter. As as been stated many times, he is not a good ball handler and not particularly crafty with the ball. He's more Steve Smith/Luol Deng, those types of players aren't as exciting I guess...but both are 18-20 ppg type playes. That's probably just about the type of player Barnes would project to be.
 
The Bullshit Whisperer pretty sure a trade up to 2 is not likely,.

But I've said this a million times, too -- forget about moving up to No. 2. Not happening. MJ is making that pretty clear.
Also, an eastern conference exec stated "There is no way MKG falls past Washington"

Time to starting giving up the MKG dream.. It may happen, but I am already moving on.

Agreed.
MJ & Charlotte could be posturing for a trade down, with an eye on the Cavaliers' two first round picks. Regardless, we have to accept that there's a better chance than not that MKG will be gone by the Cavaliers' pick at #4. As much as I like MKG, the difference between him, Barnes, Beal, & Lamb is not that great. At least it's not worth sacrificing the #24 pick IMO.

I'm not convinced that MKG is Charlotte's guy, but it certainly is a possibility. I think Robinson & Barnes will garner strong consideration there as well. I wonder if MKG refuses to workout for Charlotte, which could happen, if that might change the Bobcats' opinion?

I have a sneaking suspicion the Cavaliers' choice may come down to Barnes or Lamb.
 
New Info

June 6, 2012

By Joe Kotoch



With the NBA Draft just over three weeks away the rumblings are picking up and misinformation is being disseminated by teams hoping to gain any advantage possible. This week the city of Chicago is at the center of the basketball world, from a draft perspective, with the NBA Combine. During the combine, teams officials will socialize with agents and media, alike. Rumors will be created out of thin air, a promise or two may be made to an agent and prospect, and draft prospects will be poked and prodded. Here is a some of what the PBD staff is hearing so far.



The Charlotte Bobcats are open to the idea of moving the second pick but are asking a steep price. According to a source, Charlotte will want one impactful draft pick this year and one other prospect with high upside that may be in the NBA right now. From the sound of things the Bobcats most logical partners from a trade standpoint might be Cleveland, Sacramento, and Portland.



Speaking of Cleveland, the Cavs are serious about their interest in Andre Drummond and will schedule time with the Connecticut big man to have him in Cleveland and work him out. From sources in Cleveland, the Cavs are intrigued by Drummond's potential and high upside and want to hear from him what seemed to go wrong during his freshman season.



Minnesota again appears willing to deal its pick at 18. The Timberwolves are looking for players that can help now and are not inclined to take a project when their young core is starting to win. Based on the teams drafting immediately after the Wolves its safe to say that a team in the mid-20's might try to move up.



Kansas PF Thomas Robinson is a name to watch. Robinson's range appears to start at 2 and end at 6. One western conference executive told PBD that Robinson "is a man out there. You can see he has the physical skills and is a winner. He just needs to show offensively that he won't turn into a jump shooter." The same executive feels that Robinson is the ideal player for the Bobcats but unless Charlotte moves out of that spot won't take him.





A few second round names that are moving up into the first round are Will Barton, John Jenkins, and Doron Lamb. Interestingly, all three prospects are very good shooters, which might signal that teams in the 20's might be looking for that skill on draft night. Barton is by far the most intriguing of the prospects because of his size and athleticism. Jenkins is a relatively safe pick who should be a solid perimeter shooter/scorer. Lamb arguably has the smoothest stroke and can also handle the ball.



Two players who are slipping in the 20's and might wind up in the second round are Tony Wroten and Fab Melo. The issue scouts have with Wroten is his jumper, which is awful. Some scouts have suggested he may best be served as a PG, who will utilize his athleticism and quickness to penetrate and facilitate in a similar fashion to Rajon Rondo. Melo, on the other hand, is seen as being extremely raw offensively, so much so that one respected former GM said that Melo "will probably outlive whichever coach and GM take him." The implication from this source is that Melo needs to develop on the court for at least two seasons, which makes him a risky pick with all the baggage he already has from his days at Syracuse.



Lastly, most of the league acknowledges this is a down year from an international prospect standpoint but one scout told PBD that teams will still roll the dice on Euros in round 2 because clubs can stash them overseas and limit their payrolls next season.
 
Ford, Amick and now The Bullshit Whisperer are saying it is unlikely MKG is there at 4.also have read two different articles that stated that two eastern conference execs dont see MKG dropping out of the top 3.

While every GM apparently loves MKG, like I just said ... there's no point to leak anything at this point unless you're trying to influence people to make moves, or to not make moves.

Who wouldn't like to get the player they really want, some extra picks/talent, AND probably snag some of Dan Gilbert's money to boot?
 
Cleveland based article just published to Hoopsworld:

Draft Options For The Cleveland Cavaliers | HOOPSWORLD | Basketball News & NBA Rumors

Draft Options For The Cleveland Cavaliers
By Stephen Brotherston
NBA Writer

The Cleveland Cavaliers entered full rebuilding mode with the loss of perennial All-Star and multiple MVP winner LeBron James two seasons ago and have spent huge dollars to acquire multiple first-round draft picks. So far, Cavaliers general manager Chris Grant has stayed on message with his disciplined stick to the plan, stick to the process and grow from within strategy.

Last season, the Cavaliers acquired their point guard of the future when the lottery pick they acquired from the Los Angeles Clippers for taking on the massive salary of Baron Davis turned into Kyrie Irving. The late first round pick acquired from the Los Angeles Lakers for taking on Luke Walton’s salary this year will not have the same impact, but it does emphasize the point Grant is trying to make: Cleveland sees their route back to contention will come via the draft.

After picking first and fourth last season, Cleveland picks fourth and twenty-fourth from this season’s much stronger draft class. Even the two early second round picks Cleveland holds should produce prospects that are upgrades over the many unsigned young players from last year’s roster.

Cleveland needs starters of the future at every position except point guard and could use depth at every position except small forward. Grant has the luxury of simply taking the best player available with each and every draft pick.

Fourth Pick Overall

Outside of the first overall pick, this draft is still evolving, but the Cavaliers will get a top prospect with their first pick at four. Cleveland will be able to choose from four of the remaining top prospects after Anthony Davis goes first overall and they include Thomas Robinson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Bradley Beal, Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, or Andre Drummond.

Robinson is the second most impressive player in this year’s draft and will likely be gone before the Cavaliers can pick at four. There is an argument for Cleveland to pass on Robinson if he became available because he plays the same position as Tristan Thompson, but the Kansas junior is an obvious upgrade over Thompson and the Cavaliers need to add more big men next season anyway.

The Cavaliers may be hoping to draft the Kentucky freshman Kidd-Gilchrist, but it’s unlikely the Wizards let that happen. The youngest prospect in the draft has an outstanding work-ethic and would make an excellent long-term addition at the wing for the Cavaliers.


If the Cavaliers draft based on immediate need, they need look no further than Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal. Beal was one of the top prospects coming into college and while his freshmen season was not overwhelming, he has a noted high basketball IQ, strong shooting mechanics, an improving handle and outstanding block and steal numbers for a guard. The 18-year-old has everything the Cavaliers need to fill their gaping hole at the two spot.

Barnes will be a very good NBA player and would be a great complement to Irving at the offensive end. The 20-year-old North Carolina sophomore wing is likely more NBA ready, but he may not have the same upside as his 18-year-old competitors. If the Cavaliers retain both Alonzo Gee and Omri Casspi, the team can wait until next season to address the small forward spot.

Sullinger, the 280-pound sophomore center from Ohio State, was dominant in college and should definitely be on the Cavaliers’ radar, but there remains some concern about his ability to translate his game to the next level because of his height. For Cleveland fans, it may be hard to avoid the obvious comparison to Carlos Boozer. Sullinger could be a dominant post presence in today’s NBA and someone with his polish and talent shouldn’t be quickly dismissed.

Drummond has the size and skill to be the best player in the 2012 draft. Unfortunately, his inconsistent effort during his only college season and suspect motor make him somewhat of a mystery. The NBA has a long history of drafting high risk centers based on their potential, but Cleveland should be cautious about taking that risk with the fourth overall pick.

Twenty-Fourth Pick Overall

With their second pick in the first round at 24, Cleveland can once again go after the best talent available, but the team has a big need at backup point guard and backup center. Marquis Teague, Tyshawn Taylor, Tony Wroten, Fab Melo, or Festus Ezeli could be the Cavaliers’ solution for one of these needs.

The Kentucky Wildcats freshman point guard Teague is fresh off an NCAA championship season and would help Cavaliers fans forget about the loss of Ramon Sessions to the Lakers. Teague is one of the fastest players in the draft and shows excellent potential to run the fast break and be effective at the defensive end.

Kansas senior Taylor will bring a lot of high level college experience to the team that takes him. He has a decent three-point shot, can defend and run the pick-and-roll, but his glaring weakness has been in his decision-making and subsequent turnovers. If the Cavaliers are looking for a long-term backup point guard, Taylor is a good choice.

Washington freshman Wroten is a big guard with a good handle and playmaking skills. Still a work in progress, Wroten is all over the draft boards, but if the Cavaliers believe they can fix his shooting mechanics, he would be a great late first round pick.

Melo made big strides at the defensive end of the floor with Syracuse in his sophomore season. So much so that the seven-footer has drawn Kendrick Perkins comparisons. Unfortunately, his offensive game is also worthy of a Perkins comparison. This center has plenty of upside and would develop nicely behind an energy big man like Anderson Varejao.

This big strong center had a breakout senior season with Vanderbilt and has all the tools needed for the NBA. At 22 years old, Ezeli is still learning the game and is far from a finished product, but he would be a solid development prospect.

Two Second Round Picks

Cleveland has two desirable second round picks and if the team wasn’t in full rebuilding mode, the obvious move would be to trade one or both of them. The Cavaliers have an abundance of open roster spots, however, and there are some very promising college players who could fall into the second round. A few of these desirable players include William Buford, Will Barton, Draymond Green, and Darius Miller.

Buford was one of the best scorers in Ohio State history. The 6’ 5 guard has the long arms needed to defend and the excellent shooting mechanics that should translate to the next level. The 22-year-old Buford would be a solid second round pick.

Sophomore shooting guard Barton improved across the board from his freshman season and put up some big numbers for Memphis. An excellent rebounder and scorer in transition, Barton still needs to add strength to his lanky frame. He may not be available when Cleveland picks, but he’d be an excellent addition if he slips on draft night.

Green did everything for Michigan State. Double-digit scoring and rebounding, important playmaker, grabbed steals, blocked shots and hit big three-pointers, the undersized forward found a way to impact the game at the college level. Unfortunately, it’s uncertain if the senior has the tools for the NBA game, but he is definitely worth the risk in the second round of the draft.

Kentucky senior Miller looks like a future NBA role player. The 22-year-old put his team’s success ahead of his own production last season by playing fewer minutes and still making huge contributions. If Miller’s junior season numbers are more indicative of his growth as a player, then someone will be getting a steal in the second round by drafting this small forward.

The Cavaliers have four picks in this year’s draft and that potential influx of young talent fits in just fine with Grant’s grow-from-within strategy. Cleveland needs to add talent to their roster that can grow and develop along with last season’s two rookies. While Grant has not eliminated the possibility of making trades, any moves the general manager does make will be to improve the level of young talent he adds to his roster and keeping his four draft picks is likely the best way to do that.

I don't know much about the author, but we usually get quantity of articles over quality during this time of year.
 
Hope Drummond kills the workouts and sways the Cavs.. Anything to keep them from taking Barnes.
 
New Info

June 6, 2012

By Joe Kotoch

With the NBA Draft just over three weeks away the rumblings are picking up and misinformation is being disseminated by teams hoping to gain any advantage possible. This week the city of Chicago is at the center of the basketball world, from a draft perspective, with the NBA Combine. During the combine, teams officials will socialize with agents and media, alike. Rumors will be created out of thin air, a promise or two may be made to an agent and prospect, and draft prospects will be poked and prodded. Here is a some of what the PBD staff is hearing so far.

The Charlotte Bobcats are open to the idea of moving the second pick but are asking a steep price. According to a source, Charlotte will want one impactful draft pick this year and one other prospect with high upside that may be in the NBA right now. From the sound of things the Bobcats most logical partners from a trade standpoint might be Cleveland, Sacramento, and Portland.

Speaking of Cleveland, the Cavs are serious about their interest in Andre Drummond and will schedule time with the Connecticut big man to have him in Cleveland and work him out. From sources in Cleveland, the Cavs are intrigued by Drummond's potential and high upside and want to hear from him what seemed to go wrong during his freshman season.

Minnesota again appears willing to deal its pick at 18. The Timberwolves are looking for players that can help now and are not inclined to take a project when their young core is starting to win. Based on the teams drafting immediately after the Wolves its safe to say that a team in the mid-20's might try to move up.

Kansas PF Thomas Robinson is a name to watch. Robinson's range appears to start at 2 and end at 6. One western conference executive told PBD that Robinson "is a man out there. You can see he has the physical skills and is a winner. He just needs to show offensively that he won't turn into a jump shooter." The same executive feels that Robinson is the ideal player for the Bobcats but unless Charlotte moves out of that spot won't take him.


A few second round names that are moving up into the first round are Will Barton, John Jenkins, and Doron Lamb. Interestingly, all three prospects are very good shooters, which might signal that teams in the 20's might be looking for that skill on draft night. Barton is by far the most intriguing of the prospects because of his size and athleticism. Jenkins is a relatively safe pick who should be a solid perimeter shooter/scorer. Lamb arguably has the smoothest stroke and can also handle the ball.

Two players who are slipping in the 20's and might wind up in the second round are Tony Wroten and Fab Melo. The issue scouts have with Wroten is his jumper, which is awful. Some scouts have suggested he may best be served as a PG, who will utilize his athleticism and quickness to penetrate and facilitate in a similar fashion to Rajon Rondo. Melo, on the other hand, is seen as being extremely raw offensively, so much so that one respected former GM said that Melo "will probably outlive whichever coach and GM take him." The implication from this source is that Melo needs to develop on the court for at least two seasons, which makes him a risky pick with all the baggage he already has from his days at Syracuse.

Lastly, most of the league acknowledges this is a down year from an international prospect standpoint but one scout told PBD that teams will still roll the dice on Euros in round 2 because clubs can stash them overseas and limit their payrolls next season.

Well, the smokescreening has officially begun.

As I suspected, MJ is trying to leverage interest in MKG into a trade down with the Cavaliers. I think they end up taking Robinson, but would like to trade down and take him at #4.

In terms of Drummond, yes he's intriguing, but he's also risky as hell. The Cavaliers will take a close look at him, as they should, but I have a hard time believing they will bypass any of the promising wings, like MKG, Barnes, Beal, or Lamb, for the big man. The only thing that could potentially change that is if they get a 2nd lottery pick. If that is the case though, I think it's just as likely they take a wing with their 1st lottery pick and a big man, like Zeller, Henson, Sullinger, or Leonard, with their 2nd lottery pick.

Will Barton is a guy to watch with our #24 and two early 2nd round picks. He is thin & needs to get stronger, but he has some upside.

I have a hard time seeing the Cavaliers pick Fab Melo, considering some of the character issues he comes with.
 
The Cavaliers may be hoping to draft the Kentucky freshman Kidd-Gilchrist, but it’s unlikely the Wizards let that happen. The youngest prospect in the draft has an outstanding work-ethic and would make an excellent long-term addition at the wing for the Cavaliers.


O.k...

If the Cavaliers draft based on immediate need, they need look no further than Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal. Beal was one of the top prospects coming into college and while his freshmen season was not overwhelming, he has a noted high basketball IQ, strong shooting mechanics, an improving handle and outstanding block and steal numbers for a guard. The 18-year-old has everything the Cavaliers need to fill their gaping hole at the two spot.


Again..o.k..don't have a issue with Beal...

Barnes will be a very good NBA player and would be a great complement to Irving at the offensive end. The 20-year-old North Carolina sophomore wing is likely more NBA ready, but he may not have the same upside as his 18-year-old competitors. If the Cavaliers retain both Alonzo Gee and Omri Casspi, the team can wait until next season to address the small forward spot.


Anyone want what he's smokin'? Gee might not even be here and even if he is..he's a bench player.. Casspi , more like Casper the friendly ghost..dude is weak and has a weak game..again ,another bench player.
But I think we all kinda knew that,although I would say he's the classic case of being traded for and just not being able to do much .
The Cavs need a scoring SF in the worst way.
 
Based on Kotoch's article above and the Cavaliers' reported interest in Drummond, perhaps it's no surprise he's gone back to mocking Drummond to the Cavaliers at #4:

Pro Basketball Draft - Mock Draft

1. Hornets- Anthony Davis, PF Kentucky
The consensus number one prospect. Davis is an exceptional weakside shot blocker and a very good rebounder. Possesses unique perimeter skills for a player his size with a promising offensive arsenal.

2. Bobcats- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, SF Kentucky
MKG may be the rookie most ready to impact the NBA because he is a tenacious defender and a great rebounder. Excellent in transition, Kidd-Gilchrist can get to rim and finish. Great attitude and character are a plus.

3. Wizards- Bradley Beal, SG Florida
Beal is great shooter with plenty of range, who can create off the dribble. Biggest question mark is his size but that shouldn’t be a deterrent as he has a strong frame. Would be a great fit with John Wall.

4. Cavaliers- Andre Drummond, C Connecticut
Drummond may be the riskiest pick in the lottery. Blessed with great size and length, Drummond is a freakish athlete that could be an All Star center. His offensive skills are unique. Questions about his motor and maturity need to be answered. On the high end could be somewhere between Andrew Bynum and Dwight Howard.

5. Kings- Thomas Robinson, PF Kansas
Robinson is a winner and very mature, two things in very short supply in Sacramento. A very good rebounder and good athlete, Robinson can be a matchup problem for opposing defenses. Needs to continue to develop a jumper.

6. Blazers (From Nets)- Jared Sullinger, PF Ohio State
As a prospect Sullinger has been dissected so much that he is a bit underrated. Not many prospects enter the NBA with a post game as advanced as Sullinger’s. His physical and athletic shortcomings are well documented but could help a team right away. Would be a nice compliment to LaMarcus Aldridge.

7. Warriors- Harrison Barnes, SF North Carolina
Barnes is NBA-ready and should be able to score instantly. A great shooter and quality scorer but struggles with his ball handling. The Warriors biggest need is at SF and combining Barnes with Thompson and Curry could form a lethal trio from outside.

8. Raptors- Jeremy Lamb, SG Connecticut
Lamb is a smooth scoring guard with a great jumper. Lamb is a very good defender as well, something that the Raptors are trying to get better at.
 
Well, the smokescreening has officially begun.

As I suspected, MJ is trying to leverage interest in MKG into a trade down with the Cavaliers. I think they end up taking Robinson, but would like to trade down and take him at #4.

In terms of Drummond, yes he's intriguing, but he's also risky as hell. The Cavaliers will take a close look at him, as they should, but I have a hard time believing they will bypass any of the promising wings, like MKG, Barnes, Beal, or Lamb, for the big man. The only thing that could potentially change that is if they get a 2nd lottery pick. If that is the case though, I think it's just as likely they take a wing with their 1st lottery pick and a big man, like Zeller, Henson, Sullinger, or Leonard, with their 2nd lottery pick.

Will Barton is a guy to watch with our #24 and two early 2nd round picks. He is thin & needs to get stronger, but he has some upside.

I have a hard time seeing the Cavaliers pick Fab Melo, considering some of the character issues he comes with.

I hope not. I would much rather have Drummond and Ross, Miller, or Harkless.
 
I hope not. I would much rather have Drummond and Ross, Miller, or Harkless.

I agree, although my order of preference for a SG would be Lamb, Waiters, Ross. Couple that with Drummond= home run.

However, I can envision the Cavaliers trying to put a more offensive-minded center, like Tyler Zeller, next to Tristan Thompson.
 
dont kill me but is this true? and has any herad on the radio? from cavsfanatic


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I was not listening 92.3, so I don't know if they were talking about it, but there are 2 things that make this idea extremely farfetched. First, The Kings would never give up the chance of drafting a player to add to their core of Cousins and Evans for a 30 year old, rotation player (I love Andy, don't get me wrong). Second, how are the Mavs receiving Deron Williams in a trade that doesn't even involve the Nets?

Edit: Misread where it says cap space to sign Williams. Still, I don't see any way Sacramento does that trade unless there is a third team and we are offering future draft picks.
 
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That seems pretty unrealistic and unlikely, but if it somehow happened can you imagine having two top 5 picks. we could land Barnes and Drummond to join Kyrie and TT
 
I would be extremely disappointed if they took Barnes, and would seriously wonder what they have seen to believe he is worth that pick. It seems like they're watching him like a die hard fans watches their favorite team and believes they can do no wrong and makes excuses for everything he does wrong.

And to people pointing to playing with a great PG will help him out, he had the best passer in college on his team for the last two years..

And the funny thing is that I am a die hard Tarheel fan and actually AGREE with your statement. Barnes was a major disappointment last season, and I really hope the Cavs don't take him.
 

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