2012 Draft

[MDLT]

I came across this article and thought some of the information was interesting:

Draft Measurements Article

Some of the comparisons, taken only to be physical ones, are definitely helpful in providing some visualizations:

This is crazy. I'm not a PJ3 guy but I can see why a GM would want him.

Perry Jones fits the physical profile of Joakim Noah. He actually weighs more than Noah did at the combine, posted the exact same standing reach, has 0.5 more inches on his wingspan and is just 0.25 inches shorter than the Bulls' center.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

This is crazy. I'm not a PJ3 guy but I can see why a GM would want him.

I'm somewhat mesmerized by PJ3 as a prospect. A part of me wants nothing to do with him because of his obvious passiveness his two years in college, but my god...

He is the kind of player that you build on a video game as a kid, but feel sort of bad, because a perimeter player would never actually have those kinds of measurements and it calls into question the integrity of the game.

Everyone is freaking out about Drummond's measurements and for good reason, but PJ3 is even more of an anomaly, imo. You just do not see 3s with his physical gifts.

Put him next to an incredibly skilled point guard who seems able to get the best out of whoever they put next to him... I'm intrigued.

 

[UDcleveland]

After looking at updated measurements, stats, ages, etc... the scenario that I'm really intrigued by would be drafting Beal at 4, and moving up slightly from 24 to grab Moe Harkless. Everyone raves about Kidd-Gilchrist and for good reason... but Harkless would be a much better value, and honestly might be just as good. He's about an inch and a half taller than MKG, has a matching 7 foot wingspan, gets after it on D and on the boards (more rebounds, steals, and blocks per game than MKG). Seemingly the only concern with Harkless is his shot (much like MKG)... but the key is... we could realistically come away with Beal and Harkless. Not so much with Beal and MKG.


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[kovanovich]

More than likely a trade wouldn't happen until the draft where we would trade the rights to the picks after the selections so if MKG were to drop I'd assume that the Cavs would hold onto the pick rather than trade down for 6 and 11.

Logically, I think the trade actually wouldn't happen till Portland selected at 6. In order for the trade to work, the Cavs obviously would have to select the player Portland covets at 4. In addition, whoever this player is would have to be the Cavs' preference at the 4 spot (or a virtually tie with the player they would be targeting at 6). The reason for this is that the Cavs couldn't risk drafting a player for Portland at 4 that they did themselves not want, because Sacramento at 5 might select the player the Cavs were targeting at 6.

So, for the sake of the argument, say the guy Portland wants at 4 is Beal. If the Cavs feel they would like Beal at 4, but would be perfectly happy with, say, Barnes instead, especially if they could also get a guy they covet at 11, then the trade might work. But it would presumably be dependent on (1) MKG not being available at 4 (otherwise, the Cavs draft him and there is no trade); and (2) Sacramento not drafting Barnes at 5 (if this were to happen, the Cavs would simply keep Beal and there would be no deal).

In this scenario, I am assuming Portland's target is Beal, and the Cavs value Beal and Barnes roughly equally, but you could exchange another name for Beal (presumably Drummond), and it would work the same. The main point is that, ironically, both Portland and Cleveland would actually have to prefer the same guy at 4.

 

[randymoss1881]

finding a way to get terrence ross is big not only because i think he is gonna be a good player( compared to jason richardson) but he can play shooting guard or small foward. that gives us flexiblty in the future as we can draft or sign shooting guards or fowards, who also cant shoot because he can light it up from three.
my dream draft is ross/drummond than grabbing shabazz muhhammad next year

 

[ajz20]

according to the rcf twitter Myers Leonard will de drafted in the top 8 by draft night. Interesting.

 

[TrueCavsFan2]

Barnes at 6 is better than Beal at 4. Barnes is safer and Barnes IMO is a better fit and will translate into more wins than Beal. BPA at 4 and Best fit have to work together. Reach a bit for a better fit is ok. Plus, other than Harkless, there are no other SF's worth drafting IMO. There is a handful of SG's i wouldn't mind having. For example, Doron Lamb or Evan Fournier.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

The best fit is the BPA that isn't a PG. Kyrie is the only player on our roster that should prevent us from picking the BPA if it's at his position. There are other players on our roster that could be part of the long term plan, but none so good that it would stop me from picking the BPA, i.e., Tristan doesn't stop me from picking a PF, but he could be a long term role player on this team, hopefully he develops into more in the future and we'd have ourselves a good problem.

 

[NtG]

You think Barnes is more athletic than MKG?

On what planet is that the case?

MKG certainly isn't more athletic than Barnes. I'd say they are equal with a slight edge to Barnes.

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The one where Barnes has more potential than MKG.

Obviously Barnes has more potential. I have no idea how you could say MKG has more potential when they are pretty much equal athletically and Barnes is already pretty good offensively compared to MKG who can't really do much besides get hustle/fast-break points on offense.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

Andre Drummond looks like Jason Collins did in 2001. He also measured with physical dimensions similar to Eddy Curry (aside from the weight).

Annnd all the people who claimed there was no precedent for an Andre Drummond slap themselves and say, "Of course! Collins and Curry!"

 

[RDriesen]

MKG certainly isn't more athletic than Barnes. I'd say they are equal with a slight edge to Barnes.

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Obviously Barnes has more potential. I have no idea how you could say MKG has more potential when they are pretty much equal athletically and Barnes is already pretty good offensively compared to MKG who can't really do much besides get hustle/fast-break points on offense.

MKG's dunk is a LOT better and shows a LOT more athleticism IMO. Also, Barnes reminds me of Danny Green when it comes to athleticism. Both can jump high, but they really don't play with great athleticism on the court. Their athleticism doesn't translate to in game situations that often IMO.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Can I just add that Michael Sweetney is almost a perfect comparison for Jared Sullinger. Except Sully has more range.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

MKG's dunk is a LOT better and shows a LOT more athleticism IMO. Also, Barnes reminds me of Danny Green when it comes to athleticism. Both can jump high, but they really don't play with great athleticism on the court. Their athleticism doesn't translate to in game situations that often IMO.

Plus, Barnes almost lost control of the ball. :chuckles:

 

[MRMsix6]

Can I just add that Michael Sweetney is almost a perfect comparison for Jared Sullinger. Except Sully has more range.

let's hope it doesn't end the same for him

 

[NtG]

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