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Only posting this because we've been linked to the Houston first rounders

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The Houston Rockets are shopping Samuel Dalembert, according to sources. He may be packaged with one of Houston's first-round picks.</p>&mdash; Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/215868924863057920" data-datetime="2012-06-21T18:08:57+00:00">June 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
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A role player? If I'm not mistaken he was somewhat in the run for the All Star team before his injury
no.

players on shitty teams (like the cavs are/were) don't make ASG's aside from a very few special exceptions (like k love). not only does he not deserve it, but nobody wants to see him there anyway because in the end the asg is about excitement and offense, neither of which av provides.

Kyrie could be just as prolific a scorer as Durant. I'm not sure he'll win scoring titles, but he's already shown that he can put the ball in the hole from everywhere on the court. And TT certainly could be our Ibaka.
lol no

durant is the best and most versatile scorer in the league and has been for years.

kyrie is not capable of that and frankly a pg shouldn't be forced to do that anyway.

Something is only worth what someone is wiling to pay for it. No lottery team will sacrifice a viable asset for 30 year old injury prone big.
this is what a lot of people miss. not so much now, because a lot are coming around, but definitely before.

nobody gives a fuck what his "worth" is to the cavs and it is most certainly not the same as his worth to their respective team.

for him being so valuable teams sure have been bombarding the cavs with amazing offers.
Maybe it's because of the way Andy plays? Recklessly? Maybe because the body also just can't take the abuse, and punishment it could take at age 25. Not to mention the body doesn't heal the same. Andy is always having some kind of nagging injuries, and it's never go to change. It's the nature of how he plays. Have you not been paying attention to his career?

Yeah, okay, Andy is going to continue to throw his body around like he has his entire career, and continue play in one piece. Sure....

Talk to Dwyane Wade, buddy. You play recklessly the way players like Andy and Wade do, they have much shorter shelf lives in this league. Father time catches up with all of them. But you try to be convinced it doesn't if it helps you.
don't waste your time.

acf is by far the biggest av homer on the forum (and you can count on erie to inevitably agree w/ everything he says). no matter how many injuries av has, he'll never be injury prone. i tried to explain the same thing to him 2yrs ago, before these recent injuries, and he disagreed. same thing after av's injury last year, too. av has been the most injury prone active big in the league and he still doesn't think he's injury prone.

and of course, the cavs are one or two rookies and ridiculous, not-realistic-at-all free agent signings away from contending next year. when av will only be 31!!!

and nick collison!! even tho acf of course ignores why it's an entirely different situation....but still, look at nick collision!! av is the cavs nick collison!
 
Only posting this because we've been linked to the Houston first rounders

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The Houston Rockets are shopping Samuel Dalembert, according to sources. He may be packaged with one of Houston's first-round picks.</p>&mdash; Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/215868924863057920" data-datetime="2012-06-21T18:08:57+00:00">June 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
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This could actually be a good move for us to make. With Erden signing with Turkey, the only center we have on the roster is Andy. Dalembert can play some back up minutes and one of Houston's picks can make for a decent prospect at SG or C.
 
lol no

durant is the best and most versatile scorer in the league and has been for years.

kyrie is not capable of that and frankly a pg shouldn't be forced to do that anyway.

Kyrie has shown the ability to be a GREAT scorer in this league. Obviously, being much shorter and being a PG will keep him from winning scoring title's like Durant, but he certainly could be in the same "league" as him as a scorer in that he can get his shot from anywhere on the court.
 
no.

players on shitty teams (like the cavs are/were) don't make ASG's aside from a very few special exceptions (like k love). not only does he not deserve it, but nobody wants to see him there anyway because in the end the asg is about excitement and offense, neither of which av provides.

lol no

durant is the best and most versatile scorer in the league and has been for years.

kyrie is not capable of that and frankly a pg shouldn't be forced to do that anyway.

this is what a lot of people miss. not so much now, because a lot are coming around, but definitely before.

nobody gives a fuck what his "worth" is to the cavs and it is most certainly not the same as his worth to their respective team.

for him being so valuable teams sure have been bombarding the cavs with amazing offers.
don't waste your time.

acf is by far the biggest av homer on the forum (and you can count on erie to inevitably agree w/ everything he says). no matter how many injuries av has, he'll never be injury prone. i tried to explain the same thing to him 2yrs ago, before these recent injuries, and he disagreed. same thing after av's injury last year, too. av has been the most injury prone active big in the league and he still doesn't think he's injury prone.

and of course, the cavs are one or two rookies and ridiculous, not-realistic-at-all free agent signings away from contending next year. when av will only be 31!!!

and nick collison!! even tho acf of course ignores why it's an entirely different situation....but still, look at nick collision!! av is the cavs nick collison!

I don't think that's a fair assessment of Varejao. Andy hasn't been traded so how can anyone speculate on his true value? We have all this unreliable speculation that he could be used to acquire the #7 pick which NOBODY of any credence has picked up on. Personally, i think Andy's role is huge in the development of this team, operative word: TEAM. He's busted his ass for this organization and i like the fact that the Cavs are loyal to him; it shows good faith within the front office for free agents and current Cavalier players. It's not like his production is in decline, i mean, he was well on his way to a career year last season; let me ask, what role player averaged a double-double? His energy level is infectious and his presence within this organization could be felt long into the future. He does things the right way, only knows one speed, and no matter what anybody says, the Cavs want to win next season and Andy gives them the best opportunity to do so.

I know, i know, people are gonna say, the OKC model, the OKC model, we can't win now! Well, WHAT OKC DID IS REALLY FUCKING RARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Only posting this because we've been linked to the Houston first rounders

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The Houston Rockets are shopping Samuel Dalembert, according to sources. He may be packaged with one of Houston's first-round picks.</p>&mdash; Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/215868924863057920" data-datetime="2012-06-21T18:08:57+00:00">June 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
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am i missing something here? according to hoopshype, dalembert only has a team option remaining for next year. why would houston shop him, when they can simply not exercise the option if they are looking for a salary dump? otherwise, if they are using him to help another team dump salary, why would they be giving up a 1st? i just don't see the motivation here from houston's end.
 
If you don't think Varejao could garner more than a pick in the 24-30 range by himself, you're not worth arguing with.

(that doesn't mean teams value him as highly as we do, either)
 
Kyrie irving is the closest player we seen to Isiah Thomas in a long time. He is a fantastic natural scorer.

He does need to learn how to play point though. Having AV on the court gives Irving an outlet guy until one of these other young bucks can figure their way around the court.

Also if the cavs draft Drummond. you cant have a better mentor for him an thompson.

People keep asking themselves if AV is going to be on the team when the Cavs are in the finals (big assumption). Im more concerened that the Cavs know how to play playoff level basketball. Having AV on the roster puts the odds in their favor that they do.
 
If you don't think Varejao could garner more than a pick in the 24-30 range by himself, you're not worth arguing with.

(that doesn't mean teams value him as highly as we do, either)

this is a juvenile thought process. really, it's simple supply and demand. where is the demand for a player like AV? rebuilding lottery teams? doubt it. fringe teams looking to try and squeeze into the 8, 7, or possibly 6 seeds? unlikely. actual contenders? yes. that's really the only target audience. teams looking for a salary dump aren't going to take him on. his worth as a whole isn't really what's important. what's important is what teams are interested in a 30 year old, offensively limited, hustle big man that's been injury prone the last few seasons. you're going to be hard-pressed to find many teams picking below pick 20-24 interested in someone like that now, and that value is only likely to go down the longer cleveland holds on to him.
 
this is a juvenile thought process. really, it's simple supply and demand. where is the demand for a player like AV? rebuilding lottery teams? doubt it. fringe teams looking to try and squeeze into the 8, 7, or possibly 6 seeds? unlikely. actual contenders? yes. that's really the only target audience. teams looking for a salary dump aren't going to take him on. his worth as a whole isn't really what's important. what's important is what teams are interested in a 30 year old, offensively limited, hustle big man that's been injury prone the last few seasons. you're going to be hard-pressed to find many teams picking below pick 20-24 interested in someone like that now, and that value is only likely to go down the longer cleveland holds on to him.

I disagree with your assessment. A 3 month rental on Sessions was worth the #24 pick.

There are a number lot lottery that expect to be competing again in short order. There is going to be at least one team that trades a top 14 draft pick for a vet player this year. There's no reason why Varejao couldn't be that player, other than the fact that the Cavs don't think they are getting a good value for Varejao with a pick in the 14-6 range and keep him.
 
am i missing something here? according to hoopshype, dalembert only has a team option remaining for next year. why would houston shop him, when they can simply not exercise the option if they are looking for a salary dump? otherwise, if they are using him to help another team dump salary, why would they be giving up a 1st? i just don't see the motivation here from houston's end.

Samuel Dalembert Contract, Salaries, and Transactions

Dalembert's 2012 salary is a club option at 7 million dollars and has a 1.5 million dollar buy out.
 
am i missing something here? according to hoopshype, dalembert only has a team option remaining for next year. why would houston shop him, when they can simply not exercise the option if they are looking for a salary dump? otherwise, if they are using him to help another team dump salary, why would they be giving up a 1st? i just don't see the motivation here from houston's end.

they try to move up by using one of their picks and Dalembert's contract

Sam Amick

As @alexkennedynba noted, Houston is indeed shopping C Samuel Dalembert to attach w/ one of its picks (14 & 16) & move up. He has $1.5 mil buyout for next season.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Starting to agree RT @<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnCanzanoBFT">JohnCanzanoBFT</a>: NBA GM tells me he thinks Blazers take Lillard at No. 6, &amp; wouldn't chance trying to get him at No. 11</p>&mdash; Sam Amick (@sam_amick) <a href="https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/215883601852628994" data-datetime="2012-06-21T19:07:16+00:00">June 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
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I disagree with your assessment. A 3 month rental on Sessions was worth the #24 pick.

There are a number lot lottery that expect to be competing again in short order. There is going to be at least one team that trades a top 14 draft pick for a vet player this year. There's no reason why Varejao couldn't be that player, other than the fact that the Cavs don't think they are getting a good value for Varejao with a pick in the 14-6 range and keep him.

sessions is younger. sessions can score the basketball. there was a team with an immediate pressing need at the position. sessions made much less, and at least had an option year. the lakers still have his birds rights. if anything, using sessions actually proves my point as there was a specific demand that could be met by cleveland. when you find a team picking in the teens that is desperate for a 30+ year old, oft injured, offensively limited, hustle big, then let me know.
 

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