2014 NFL Draft Thread

[TwoPistols]

Manziel won't be starting in 5 years. Aaron Murray may have a chance to start in 5 years. Murray is the better NFL talent. Played four years in an NFL offense, made pre-snap reads, and consistently hit open recievers in his progression. Manziel played in a gimmick offense, did not make pre-snap reads, and consistently passed over open recievers in his progression. One set of skills translates to the NFL one set doesn't. Time will tell who is right or wrong.

As far as Clowny goes... yes he is a premier talent. My argument was that we have an edge rusher/LB hybrid in Mingo. Clowny isn't that necessary of a pick. May as well trade down and pick up extra draft picks.

There are three positions usually relegated for the top 5. D-Line, O-Line, and QB. Our D-Line is pretty fucking solid, we have a HOF left tackle, and no QB has premier polished talent.

Because he'll have 5 Super Bowl victories and retire riding off into the sunset

 

[natedagg]

I have:
bortles drafted before manziel +165
Mack before Watkins -140
Bridgewater before Carr +115
Watkins picked position 4.5 or later +240
Bortles drafter before 8.5 +145

Hopefully all of the time wasted on this thread pays off:chuckles:

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Kiper and McShay can tell you the strengths and weaknesses of every player in the draft and give their best judgement on how they think their talents will translate and they mock what they think is going to happen.

They're easy scapegoats because theyre so well known. Shouldn't follow their opinions too closely but to say they no nothing...

Except they're frequently wrong about strengths and weaknesses and are paid by agents to rank players a certain way. I think it was Kiper who didn't have a single first rounder correct last season. Plus McShay is just an idiot. I honestly wonder if they actually watch these kids play half the time.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Because he'll have 5 Super Bowl victories and retire riding off into the sunset

Maybe in arena football.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Q: What paid scout/talent evaluator reveals team based evaluations before the draft?

A: A soon too be unemployed one.


Anything you ear from these guys is off the cuff information and in no way reflects how their team will draft or team big boards. Do they give first impressions? Maybe. Do the give out smokescreens? Maybe. Do they give out talent evaluations? Absolutely not.

Not talking about specific chatter. But the general idea that a lot of players are her close in ability, that is as much an art as a science, and that even the best will get many wrong, is openly acknowledged by those pros.

Yet there are some fans, who have much less knowledge, don't do this stuff for a living, and aren't privy to interviews, medical reports, etc., who profess certainty about prospects, and shit on those who see some things differently. It's just...weird.
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[The Hill]

Re: Round 1 Thread - Official NFL Draft - May 8, 2014

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>One QB who might still be dealt this weekend is Skins backup Kirk Cousins. Browns were willing to deal midround pick for him.</p>— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/464506148482064384">May 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Skins and Browns have not had contact since the original inquiry, but somethings things heat back up during the draft</p>— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/464506765560643584">May 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I'm not a religious man, but I said a prayer that this is La Canfora spewing more stuff from his boy Mike Lombardi. Do not want any part of Cousins unless it's as a backup.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Re: Round 1 Thread - Official NFL Draft - May 8, 2014

Cousins would be a solid backup, replacement for Hoyer next year, and assure that a rookie QB doesn't have to be thrown into the fire.

Also, it gives them a QB who already knows the basics of the Shanahan offense. So that's a plus. But I wouldn't deal more than a 5th rounder for him.

 

[MoFlo]

Rizzo just tweeted Browns draft board is Watkins, Robinson, Matthews. Again this is Tony Rizzo so it's not right

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Thinking we will be picking 6 unless a team in front of us takes Mack, and really the only team that would is Jacksonville.

 

[TwoPistols]

Say the draft goes:

1. Clowney
2. Watkins
3. Mack

What do the Browns do?

4. Panic and try to trade down? Select Robinson? I would imagine that Atlanta would want to guarantee either Robinson or Matthews. Browns could trade down but for what players? They would be getting out of the elite talent range.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Manziel won't be starting in 5 years. Aaron Murray may have a chance to start in 5 years. Murray is the better NFL talent. Played four years in an NFL offense, made pre-snap reads, and consistently hit open recievers in his progression. Manziel played in a gimmick offense, did not make pre-snap reads, and consistently passed over open recievers in his progression. One set of skills translates to the NFL one set doesn't. Time will tell who is right or wrong.

I understand saying the value of Murray in the 3rd/4th round is better than Manziel in the top-10, but come on. Better NFL talent? Crazy.

Seriously, your list of attributes doesn't only fit Murray, but AJ McCarron also. You making the case he's a better talent than Johnny like you did for Murray because he played a more traditional role at QB than Manziel did?

Let's make this simple: $20 bucks Manziel is picked 30 picks ahead of Murray in the draft. If Murray is the better NFL talent surely all the scouts and talent evaluators agree with you, right? That should be easy money.

As far as Clowny goes... yes he is a premier talent. My argument was that we have an edge rusher/LB hybrid in Mingo. Clowny isn't that necessary of a pick. May as well trade down and pick up extra draft picks.

I seem to remember your argument being he's vastly overrated from one spectacular play against Michigan.

There are three positions usually relegated for the top 5. D-Line, O-Line, and QB. Our D-Line is pretty fucking solid, we have a HOF left tackle, and no QB has premier polished talent.

D-Line and O-Line is too vague, a run-stuffing nose tackle or a prototype center don't belong in the top-5. I believe the correct assumption is edge rushers, left tackles, and QBs are the positions you should be spending early round picks on.

 

[caf]

Jamarcus Russell was drafted #1 overall. Sucked dick.

Tom Brady? Russell Wilson? Plenty of good qbs go in the later rounds. Suggesting that draft position implies a good NFL career is asinine.

I will bet you $100 that in five years Manziel won't crack the top 20.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

Who is with me on the Robinson train?

After reviewing the tapes in the last few days, I think Robinson may even have more longterm upside than Clowney. It's to the point where he's the guy I want at 4. Sounds crazy... yes, I know we have Joe Thomas.

I just think he could be a generational kind of tackle and, at that point, needs go out the window. His ability to pass-block is still a bit of mystery since he didn't have to do it much, but I'm buying stock in the coaches on the NFL level being able to teach him the technique, because everything else is there.

As for run-blocking? I might have to go all the way back to Orlando Pace to find a guy who just flat-out mauls opponents. He's a monster.

That would also make he and Thomas an excellent tandem, imo. Start Robinson on the right side to begin his career and until JT starts to slow. Joe has never been a mauling run-blocker. His best traits are in pass-blocking. So, you have your QBs blindside protected and you can run behind Robinson opening up gaping holes on the right side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdC83M-030

 

[AZ_]

Re: Round 1 Thread - Official NFL Draft - May 8, 2014

Cousins has been flat out trash.

 

[MoFlo]

Jamarcus Russell was drafted #1 overall. Sucked dick.

Tom Brady? Russell Wilson? Plenty of good qbs go in the later rounds. Suggesting that draft position implies a good NFL career is asinine.

I will bet you $100 that in five years Manziel won't crack the top 20.

Sure, but going back & using Tom Brady as a reason you can wait & draft your franchise guy later isn't a good idea either.

Tom Brady was not drafted with the thought that he'd be a franchise guy. Of course, they hoped for the best (and got it), but that's different.

Is it possible that a mid-late round pick turns out to be a franchise guy? Sure, of course.

Does that mean you should draft with the thought process that you can find someone later that will work out for you? Not at all.

Not saying you're saying these things here, but it was brought up before (forget by whom), and I figured I'd add my 2 cents since it was brought back up.