2015 College Football Season/Playoff Thread

[Surge]

I think we all agree OSU probably wouldn't have been blown out.

But if you want to dance you gotta pay the band...

 

[Mr. Orange]

I think we all agree OSU probably wouldn't have been blown out.

But if you want to dance you gotta pay the band...

Exactly. MSU deserved it. Bottom line is OSU missed a great shot at back to back championships, but those are the breaks. Beating Alabama, Oregon, Notre Dame, Michigan x 2, and winning a Championship is a damn good two year stretch. And we won the first playoff, which will always be remembered and discussed.

 

[AZ_]

The committee erred in not realizing the coaches messed up the MSU game.

Oh well, sorry Sparty.

 

[redscoon]

So your argument is that Ohio State should be in over Michigan State, despite losing to them at home while they played their backup QB. I mean what possible reasoning would the committee have to justify calling OSU better?


OSU fans are truly a different breed.

You just made the point inadvertently. The committee has to justify things. I think every reasonable fan knows Ohio State is better than MSU. Just like every reasonable fan knows Alabama is better than Mississippi. The justification process in this case yielded a lopsided field.

I've always felt the timing of the loss in college football had way too much impact. It killed OSU this year. Last year, they lost to a far worse team but it didn't matter because they did it early. That's part of the reason I think the field needs expanded. If two top teams meet late in the year, one of them is out of the picture and we "justifiably" put a worse team in instead.

 

[Mr. Orange]

The committee erred in not realizing the coaches messed up the MSU game.

Oh well, sorry Sparty.

Edit: redscoon made a good point about timing above

 

[AZ_]

Again I ask, why have a regular season at all?

 

[Ohio]

This bowl season has fucking sucked though. Holy shit.

 

[Ohio]

You just made the point inadvertently. The committee has to justify things. I think every reasonable fan knows Ohio State is better than MSU. Just like every reasonable fan knows Alabama is better than Mississippi. The justification process in this case yielded a lopsided field.

I've always felt the timing of the loss in college football had way too much impact. It killed OSU this year. Last year, they lost to a far worse team but it didn't matter because they did it early. That's part of the reason I think the field needs expanded. If two top teams meet late in the year, one of them is out of the picture and we "justifiably" put a worse team in instead.

Timing hardly matters anymore, if at all. The only thing that matters is winning your conference. That's it. If we played MSU in the first game and lost, it would not have made a damn bit of difference.

Win your conference and lose no more than once and your chances of making the playoff are incredibly high.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Timing hardly matters anymore, if at all. The only thing that matters is winning your conference. That's it. If we played MSU in the first game and lost, it would not have made a damn bit of difference.

Win your conference and lose no more than once and your chances of making the playoff are incredibly high.

Good point.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Timing hardly matters anymore, if at all. The only thing that matters is winning your conference. That's it. If we played MSU in the first game and lost, it would not have made a damn bit of difference.

Win your conference and lose no more than once and your chances of making the playoff are incredibly high.

How often does the best team not win the conference?

And if they don't, how often are the circumstances such that it should be re-evaluated?

I honesty think it happens so little that it just doesn't really matter.

By nature of playing the conference schedule, the best team is going to win the conference nearly every time.

On the fluke chance it potentially does happen, there's likely a reason.....like losing at home to a backup QB.

Do people really want to reevaluate conference championships because 1 out of every 50 times something debatable happens?

Football isn't the NBA playoffs. The committee's job isn't to determine who would win a 7 game head-to-head football series. The committee's job is to identify the 4 most worthy teams, based on the regular season.....not based on something more obscure.

 

[Ohio]

How often does the best team not win the conference?

And if they don't, how often are the circumstances such that it should be re-evaluated?

I honesty think it happens so little that it just doesn't really matter.

By nature of playing the conference schedule, the best team is going to win the conference nearly every time.

On the fluke chance it potentially does happen, there's likely a reason.....like losing at home to a backup QB.

Do people really want to reevaluate conference championships because 1 out of every 50 times something debatable happens?

Football isn't the NBA playoffs. The committee's job isn't to determine who would win a 7 game head-to-head football series. The committee's job is to identify the 4 most worthy teams, based on the regular season.....not based on something more obscure.

Not sure why you quoted me here...

 

[Tornicade]

Stanford would have been the next Option for a playoff berth as the pac 10 Champion. Had Notre Dame not lost late they possible could of received an at large berth before Ohio State as well.
OSU had their chance to win their division and play for a Big Ten championship and they failed. The selection Committees role is too identify the top 2 teams then select their opponents.
You want to talk about a raw deal. What about Stanford losing out to Oklahoma for a spot because Utah choked its season away.
Michigan State beat out OSU and an Undefeated Iowa team ( who benefited from drawing Indiana and Maryland from the big ten east) .
Conference champs are gonna get into the 4 team playoff over conference runner ups. The only time there would be an exception to that is if an undefeated team lost their conference championship to a middling opponent (see USC) In that case the runner up would go instead of the champion and the other conferences would need to be horrible.
Buckeyes had a fantastic season and I have no doubts they could of made another run in a playoff but they lost to the wrong team at the wrong time and took the matter out of the selection committees hand.

 

[AZ_]

Stanford would have been the next Option for a playoff berth as the pac 10 Champion. Had Notre Dame not lost late they possible could of received an at large berth before Ohio State as well.
OSU had their chance to win their division and play for a Big Ten championship and they failed. The selection Committees role is too identify the top 2 teams then select their opponents.
You want to talk about a raw deal. What about Stanford losing out to Oklahoma for a spot because Utah choked its season away.
Michigan State beat out OSU and an Undefeated Iowa team ( who benefited from drawing Indiana and Maryland from the big ten east) .
Conference champs are gonna get into the 4 team playoff over conference runner ups. The only time there would be an exception to that is if an undefeated team lost their conference championship to a middling opponent (see USC) In that case the runner up would go instead of the champion and the other conferences would need to be horrible.
Buckeyes had a fantastic season and I have no doubts they could of made another run in a playoff but they lost to the wrong team at the wrong time and took the matter out of the selection committees hand.

 

[Stark]

Iowa is embarrassing. I knew they were too big for their britches.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

You just made the point inadvertently. The committee has to justify things. I think every reasonable fan knows Ohio State is better than MSU. Just like every reasonable fan knows Alabama is better than Mississippi. The justification process in this case yielded a lopsided field.

I've always felt the timing of the loss in college football had way too much impact. It killed OSU this year. Last year, they lost to a far worse team but it didn't matter because they did it early. That's part of the reason I think the field needs expanded. If two top teams meet late in the year, one of them is out of the picture and we "justifiably" put a worse team in instead.

It's not simply the timing of the loss. OSU only looked like a top 4 team in the country AFTER losing to MSU. In other words, OSU looked like a top 4 team in the country for two games, one of which was a bowl game.

Had OSU played up to the level of talent on the roster the entire season, undoubtedly they'd be in. Top to bottom, they might have come into the year with the most talent of any team in the country.
Had they dominated the rest of the season and still had the close loss to MSU, they might have had a chance to get in. However, when it takes you 11 weeks to finally play up to expectations, you're not going to get rewarded over teams with superior resumes.