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2016 Draft Prospects Thread

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AZ_ said:
You're trying REALLY hard with this, but nobody seems to care.

Just reporting what I hear, I think a lot of people were shocked with Jones getting the nod.

Although as someone who isn't a sports enthusiast, I don't even know why you're here
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You OBVIOUSLY care as you took the time to respond with one of your quirky back-handed responses.

You have no clue what is and what isn't, and you were horrifically wrong. You always repeat what you hear as your own, eh? Lol I know your ego is hurting b00bs. Meditation might help.

:bigcry:
 
Cardale is probably going to be drafted in the first round. He has a lot of the tools to be a really good QB at the next level. But he's still really fucking raw to even think top-5 right now.

I'd be hesitate to draft him that high personally.
 
godfather said:
Cardale is probably going to be drafted in the first round. He has a lot of the tools to be a really good QB at the next level. But he's still really fucking raw to even think top-5 right now.

I'd be hesitate to draft him that high personally.
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You obviously wait to see how things shake out this season before claiming he'll go in the top 5 - which is why I'd never take his goofy little bet.
 
Lord Mar said:
You OBVIOUSLY care as you took the time to respond with one of your quirky back-handed responses.

You have no clue what is and what isn't, and you were horrifically wrong. You always repeat what you hear as your own, eh? Lol I know your ego is hurting b00bs. Meditation might help.

:bigcry:
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Why do I make you so angry?
 
Lord Mar said:
You obviously wait to see how things shake out this season before claiming he'll go in the top 5 - which is why I'd never take his goofy little bet.
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I'd still be surprised if he goes that high. I could see him projected that high, and dropping.

If you are drafting him you're drafting him because of his potential. He could easily bust out though. And a lot of GMs will feel that way and that could scare them off.

I doubt he'd complete much over 50% of his passes in the NFL right away. He's got a lot to clean up.

But there's no denying the upside with him too.
 
Guys, he's played 4 games. He looks pretty good for a guy that has played 4 games (all against good teams with good defenses, too). Lets see how he progresses over a season before putting a ceiling on his draft stock.

Tough to see him not being a 1st round pick, just based on how he's played already and his crazy potential.
 
I could potentially see him being pushed high up and being the first QB taken, but Jamarcus Russell is still looking the minds of many GMs.

He definitely is lucky though that he was given the chance to start and that the QB class for this year is a bit of a stinker again. I honestly don't want him on the Browns though because the OSU hype train with the fans would make expectations unrealistic, and for his long term development he would be much better off going to a team like KC that has a QB in place to let him just develop.
 
I still really like Hackenberg despite the fact he's in free fall. I think he'll blow scouts away in his pre-draft workouts and settle somewhere in the top half of the 1st round.

It's absolutely chaos in his surroundings at this point-- awful OL, terrible scheme, no coaching. Some of his regression is on him, but at the same time, he was one of the most impressive true freshman QB's in college football history when he was receiving NFL coaching and playing in an NFL scheme.

I still really love his footwork, ball placement and arm strength.... I just hope Franklin doesn't ruin him any more than he already has or continue to put him in dangerous positions. It's totally preposterous that Franklin couldn't adjust his schemes to help the kid against Temple, but then again, Franklin pulled the same shit all of last year too. Is a 3-step drop and a slant route too much to ask for? Instead, it's 5-step drops and deep combination routes while the OL can't hold a block for more than 2 seconds. I despise Franklin....

As it pertains to Cardale-- I'm a Cardale guy, but like I said in the OSU thread, I'm a total sucker for a vertical offense. He certainly has things to work on, like ball placement, but his tools are super loud. I think he has way more natural talent than Jameis or Mariota but I'm not a huge fan of either guy so I might be biased.

My biggest concern about Cardale is his ability to fit into Meyer's offense. If Ohio State is planning to play Cardale in a traditional Meyer offense, then it's not going to showcase Cardale's talents to its full extent and he may struggle. I don't think Cardale "struggled" against VT but it wasn't his best game and the play calling was more of a traditional Meyer play calling.

If Ohio State commits fully to Cardale, like I think they should, then I think they'd need to get more vertical, like they did last season against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon, for Cardale to showcase his talents completely. I'd really like to see Ohio State go to a more pro-style offense, like Alabama, in the future anyways just because they don't need the trickery to beat teams anymore-- there's more than enough talent to beat teams straight up, but I digress.
 
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EdMonix11 said:
My biggest concern about Cardale is his ability to fit into Meyer's offense. If Ohio State is planning to play Cardale in a traditional Meyer offense, then it's not going to showcase Cardale's talents to its full extent and he may struggle. I don't think Cardale "struggled" against VT but it wasn't his best game and the play calling was more of a traditional Meyer play calling.

If Ohio State commits fully to Cardale, like I think they should, then I think they'd need to get more vertical, like they did last season against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon, for Cardale to showcase his talents completely. I'd really like to see Ohio State go to a more pro-style offense, like Alabama, in the future anyways just because they don't need the trickery to beat teams anymore-- there's more than enough talent to beat teams straight up, but I digress.
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There really isn't such a thing as the "traditional" Meyer offense. What he does greater than any coach in the country IMO is play to the talent he's putting on the football field week-in-week-out.

When he had Braxton Miller, Carlos Hyde and nobody at WR, they employed that two-man rushing attack centered around QB trap, inside zone and the veer.

With JT, they opened up the pass a bit more and employed more zone-read because JT was so adept at making that decision.

Cardale now has them taking more shots in the intermediate and long passing game, while designing running plays to get Jones into 1-on-1 situations with the unblocked defender in a matchup he can win a majority of the time.


It's no different from the offensive tinkering he did after going from Chris Leak to Tim Tebow, he knows what the strengths of those guys are and tailors the offense to present matchup problems based on them.

Guy is a fucking artist with that, and he's the best coach in America because of it.
 
Phills14 said:
Cardale has a ton of talent but he's a mess fundamentally. He's going to need a GREAT coaching staff to develop him and maximize him at the NFL level.

He would be such a classic Browns pick.
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#ChillforPhills
 
Goff the QB from Cal, anyone have any info on this guy?
 
QBs to Watch 9/19/15
Connor Cook - Air Force at Michigan State - Noon, ABC
Cardale Jones/JT Barrett - Northern Illinois at Ohio State - 3:30pm, ABC/ESPN2
Jared Goff - Cal at Texas - 7:30pm, Fox
Christian Hackenberg - Rutgers at Penn State - 8pm, BTN
Cody Kessler - Stanford at USC - 8pm, ABC
 
Going to watch the Cook-Jones-Goff tripleheader today.

My first real extended look at Goff.
 
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