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2016 NFL draft, Day Two

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Damn...chill out everyone.

Late 3rd rd pick. Hue's guy. Accurate. Velocity of 55mph, same as Winston, Wison, Flacco. And he is over 6 foot. Big hands as well.

Maybe he had bad coaching from the USC mess. From his PFF scouting:

• 2015 regression. Kessler’s 2014 grade was the best of this draft class, and right up there with Marcus Mariota. Had he improved this season he would have had a grade rivaling Goff, but instead he took a major step backwards and looked markedly worse for USC. That raises a big red flag and is something of a worry.

Seems like a good kid:

https://youtu.be/jeyDbjYSL-M


PFF had him as the 6th ranked QB, and 106th best player overall. He was the 6th QB selected and 93rd player overall. I wouldn't exactly call those reaches. Hue wanted him, they traded back, picked up a 4 and still got him. Can't really argue if he is Hue's guy.
 
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And from NFL.com...probably why we grabbed him at 93 and not 99.

"There was a lot of buzz on him late in the draft process. He won't wow you with arm strength, but his decision-making abilities are a strength." -- Daniel Jeremiah
 
Kessler must look like a physical monster compared to Manziel!

In all seriousness, I don't love the value they got from Kessler in the 3rd round but who am I? Could he be a backup QB with the ability to spot start? Sure I don't see why not. Is he the QB of the future, I'm not so sure about that. That seems like a long shot to me.

I think what this pick shows you is what Hue looks for in a QB, especially when you look at guys like Dalton, McCarron, Palmer and Flacco. He's looking for mature guys, guys who are leaders. Guys who have a lot of experience. He's looking for accuracy too. Outside of Palmer who was the clear #1 pick that year, everyone of his QBs did a nice job in college of limiting turnovers. Obviously, Palmer and Flacco are big guys but Dalton and McCarron are not. Size and measurables are important but are not necessary to Hue.

Looking back it is easy to see guys like Cook, Hackenberg and Jones not being realistic targets for the Browns.
 
I mean, does it really matter that we took him at the end of the 3rd at 93 instead of the 4th at 99 or 100?
 
I don't think the pick was a reach. Kessler was picked right around where he was expected to go and clearly Hue loved him. That isn't the issue and never was for me.

My problem is that Kessler - at least on paper - does not seem like he's ready to play right away or that he's capable of beating out RG3. By the time Kessler IS ready to play (for arguments sake, let's say it takes 1 year to get acclimated), the odds are extremely high that the Browns will have drafted another QB, a more highly regarded QB, that will make Kessler more or less irrelevant.

Think of it this way. If the Browns go 3-13 this year and Kessler never/barely plays - would any of you be comfortable passing on Watson or whoever the top rated QB is because Kessler is already here and is developing? I think the answer is obviously no. It would be like Carolina passing on Cam Newton because they just picked Jimmy Clausen in the 2nd the year before and he was "developing" (a totally wasted asset for them). Because of that, I can see the writing on the wall already that the Browns used a top 100 pick on a guy that will probably never be a starter and that is what bugs me. The Browns have way too many holes to use third round picks on guys that won't start.

I want to be wrong so badly on this.

I hope Hue gives Kessler every opportunity to win the job and he eventually does just like Wilson did for Seattle against Flynn. I hope he plays well from day 1 and is just the ideal fit in Hue's system. I want all of that to happen, I just don't see it.

By the time he's ready to go, the Browns will almost certainly have already upgraded the position with somebody better.
 
Here's my quick thoughts on Day 2:

Ogbah - There may not be a less impressive film out there than what he put out against Laremy Tunsil and Ole Miss. He lacked explosiveness, he lacked refinement, he lacked technique.

This is a coaching pick, he's flashed the motor you want to see at times but simply doesn't bring it on every play.

Trying to get excited about this pick, but I'm not expecting much immediate impact from Ogbah.


Nassib - High effort, high intensity guy who has the prototypical 5-tech body. Needs to be taught to use his long arms better to separate from lineman and cause issues. He was so impressive against OSU, good instincts and quickness to the ball. Really think he ends up being a long term starter here.

Coleman - Heck of a pick at this level of the third round. Could be a day one starter at RT, he's got 35+ inch arms and huge hands. If you go watch the Georgia film against a variety of stud pass rushers, you won't see him get beat on the drop back once. Elevates to the second level well in the run game. Lots of potential here, but needs some better technique as Auburns scheme is not well suited for being ready in the NFL. Also he's a cancer survivor and already has his masters degree, that's phenomenal. Downside is he's older.

Kessler - Some may be surprised here but I actually don't hate it as much as others. He's a game manager type who while not providing the ceiling you like as a future starter in this league, is a better developmental option than most of the guys still left on the board. This pick is not going to hurt long term, even if all he does is provide a stable, accurate play from the pocket and distributes to his receivers.
 
My biggest complaint with the pick is just the value in the 3rd round, especially after making a really questionable trade down. We make a negative asset trade and then take a guy that was likely to be there in the 4th, when we have picks at #129 and #138.

The FO has obviously done a great job acquiring picks, so it's not that big of a deal but we dropped out of #77 and watched some really quality players go off the board. Kendall Fuller, Braxton Miller, Nick Vigil, Kyler Fackrell.....those guys are tough to pass on in a meh trade and then bookmark it with what most consider a big reach on a QB in Kessler.

Im not saying it can't work out, it can but his best qualities seem overstated. He has high accuracy numbers, yes but he makes the safe throw and is over cautious. Those guys tend to get eaten alive at the next level. Do you see a lot of examples of him throwing guys open? Or just driving the ball on any NFL throws? His highlight tape looks like a collection of high school game tape, where his team just has a great athlete that he throws over the top to (against shitty Pac-12 defenses).

Again, I'm not trying to be reactionary....I'll trust Hue but I was just unimpressed with him in college and he seems like a pretty limited game manager for someone to take in round 3. Guess we'll see.
 
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You can see elements of a good QB there. Can he beat out RG3? I dont know because I cannot see how RG3 is in the pocket. I do know this, Kessler is a very Hue QB. He had Palmer, Campbell in Oak. He had Dalton and McCarron in Cincy.

I think Kessler is compareable to those guys. And I am absolutely fine with it.

Also, on Ogbah, I can certainly understand where you are coming from Boobie. He was dominated by Tunsil and he definitely needs technique coaching big time. On the other hand, did you watch him against Whitehair? He obliterated him multilple times with nary a move.

Ogbah reminds me a ton of Ansah when he was coming out of BYU. If you trust your coaches to teach him up, the talent is clearly there to be a 10+ sack a year guy
 
People wanted us to roll the dice on a deteriorating knee with the 32nd pick citing "we have enough picks to afford that risk," but are bitching and moaning about taking a quarterback with our third pick in the third round?
 
Cody Kessler had 88 TD and 19 INT in his career at USC. He had 5 head coaches. He completed 70% of his passes.

Accuracy and experience with a quick release. I like it a lot.
 
I'mWithDan said:
My biggest complaint with the pick is just the value in the 3rd round, especially after making a really questionable trade down. We make a negative asset trade and then take a guy that was likely to be there in the 4th, when we have picks at #129 and #138.

The FO has obviously done a great job acquiring picks, so it's not that big of a deal but we dropped out of #77 and watched some really quality players go off the board. Kendall Fuller, Braxton Miller, Nick Vigil, Kyler Fackrell.....those guys are tough to pass on in a meh trade and then bookmark it with what most consider a big reach on a QB in Kessler.

Im not saying it can't work out, it can but his best qualities seem overstated. He has high accuracy numbers, yes but he makes the safe throw and is over cautious. Those guys tend to get eaten alive at the next level. Do you see a lot of examples of him throwing guys open? Or just driving the ball on any NFL throws? His highlight tape looks like a collection of high school game tape, where his team just has a great athlete that he throws over the top to (against shitty Pac-12 defenses).

Again, I'm not trying to be reactionary....I'll trust Hue but I was just unimpressed with him in college and he seems like a pretty limited game manager for someone to take in round 3. Guess we'll see.
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First: Big reach? PFF had him at 106 and we took him at 93. That's not a big reach.

Second: The front office clearly didn't value those players like you did. They wanted Kessler over them, knew they could slide down to 93 and take him. So in their eyes, they got their guy at 77 and gained another 4th rd pick only to slide a few in round 5.

It's all about lottery tickets now.
 
Binkster said:
People wanted us to roll the dice on a deteriorating knee with the 32nd pick citing "we have enough picks to afford that risk," but are bitching and moaning about taking a quarterback with our third pick in the third round?
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Two huge differences. 1. Myles Jack is an elite prospect when healthy and would have absolutely started from Day 1 (can't say the same for Kessler on either front) and 2. You only play 1 QB at a time.

RB by committee is all the rage. Teams have four WR sets and 2 TE sets. Teams rotate 5-6 DL and rotate 3-4 pass rushers, teams play a lot of nickel and dime now so you need multiple corners/safeties/hybrid linebackers.

You only play 1 QB.

So if Kessler's not ready or not good enough to start in 2016, and the Browns inevitably address the position with an even better prospect in 2017 -- then what have they done? They've drafted a full time backup with a top 100 pick.

Can you imagine the outrage if they did that at any other position that isn't QB? People would be losing their minds even worse frankly.
 
Mr. Orange said:
First: Big reach? PFF had him at 106 and we took him at 93. That's not a big reach.

Second: The front office clearly didn't value those players like you did. They wanted Kessler over them, knew they could slide down to 93 and take him. So in their eyes, they got their guy at 77 and gained another 4th rd pick only to slide a few in round 5.

It's all about lottery tickets now.
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ESPN - 209
CBS - 258
Walter - 6th-FA

PFF is way out on a limb as compared to every where else. We'll see if they are right.
 
Maybe Hue wants his own 3rd string quarterback to build up. It's not bad to have a young developing quarterback.

I think we roll with RGIII, Davis, kessler with TP as an emergency backup.
 
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