A few ideas for the cavs to round-out the roster

[liquidfire]

Im still holding out for some type of deal for Martell Webster. Trade eric snow(expiring) for webster and frye.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

people, the other team has to like the trade for it to work..

 

[Lee]

Darko is ass.

The Nene and KMart trade makes no sense. It screws up the cap space. Your telling me in 2010 you'd rather have those 2 instead of a Bosh, Wade, Amare, Chandler etc etc.

None of those guys are coming here..well maybe Chandler, but I doubt he leaves NO. We have to be realistic on who we can get. Darko is not that much worse than Chandler. He is no amare or bosh, but Darko just turned 23, and has averaged 8 points before and 6 boards. In 24 mins of play. If he improves his game and plays 32 minutes, He could get those totals up to 12 and 8 or so along with 2 blocks.

 

[Mdog1]

Darko is not that bad of a player, and IMO he could be had for cheap. Also he is 2010 expiring so that is another plus. Could we do a Mike Miller and Darko for Wally and fill (Sasha)? I'm not sure MEM would want that, but still it would make sense if they are trying to cut costs.

 

[flamez]

Darko is not that bad of a player, and IMO he could be had for cheap. Also he is 2010 expiring so that is another plus. Could we do a Mike Miller and Darko for Wally and fill (Sasha)? I'm not sure MEM would want that, but still it would make sense if they are trying to cut costs.

Memphis traded Mike Miller during the offseason to the Timberwolves.

I dont mind Darko since he expires in 2010 and gives us a solid backup for Z. Who knows, if he comes here his game could elevate with the attention Lebron and Mo will get on the perimeter. He's a good shot blocker which is always a good thing and is young. He has potential.

 

[-Akronite-]

Is Michael Redd really a realistic possibility for the Cavs? I mean still?? Also after the Mo Williams acquisition? Didn't they have bad chemistry, or was that just a rumor?

They were good friends, but they didn't mesh well on the court. Probably had a lot to do with the Bucks system, don't know how that'd work out here.

But between that question mark, and the severe lack of defense, it might not be our best option.

 

[LBJHeath]

I still think Mike Redd is probably the most realistic option around December, January or February.

I hate makin up trades cause they hardly ever happen but...

Wally, Sasha, Darnell Jackson and a first round pick for Mike Redd and Gadzuric in January when Milwaukee have won 3 games.

There is ABSOLUTELY no way that the Cavaliers even consider Michael Redd.

Darko is ass.

The Nene and KMart trade makes no sense. It screws up the cap space. Your telling me in 2010 you'd rather have those 2 instead of a Bosh, Wade, Amare, Chandler etc etc.

1st of all, We will NOT be going after Chris Bosh, Amare, Dwayne, etc,etc. You guys that say that crap sound like a bunch of Knicks fans insisting that LeBron is going to New York!
EVERYONE of those players, with the possible exception of Bosh, will likely stay with the money. Bosh may opt for a short contract in a bigger U.S. Market... but even that is a slim shot.

As for the Cavaliers... What makes you guys think that the Cavaliers are going to have so much cap-space? Because of our current contracts? What about when Varejao has to be re-signed... that will be about 10-12 million in 2010 off the books. What about The Other players we have to sign between now and that summer, to replace Zydrunas and Ben? Or do you think they can keep it going into their 40's?

Yeah, we have JJ & Jackson. But there are no guarantees that someone will work out. Ask Darko & Brown. Even if they BOTH work-out, and one is a starter, we still need another starter, and 2 other bigs. Yeah, we have draft picks (as of today), but if we are playing for championships, then we wont be drafting any immediate contributors... none that will start anyway. What does this mean? We MUST get at-the-very-least one more BIG (assuming we have Varejao), and that means a trade, and that means at-least 7-9 million more on the books.

The Cavaliers will NOT be players in the 2010 free-agency market.... they will be trying trades probably... but they will not be looking for high-profile players.

And why do you guys want to wait 2 more years anyway? Why not get the best players available via-trade NOW, and give LeBron a REASON to stay! Hell, the way some of you talk, we'd be the 04 Cavaliers when 2010 rolled around... and if that was the case, then I'd probably drive LeBron to New York.

Memphis traded Mike Miller during the offseason to the Timberwolves.

I dont mind Darko since he expires in 2010 and gives us a solid backup for Z. Who knows, if he comes here his game could elevate with the attention Lebron and Mo will get on the perimeter. He's a good shot blocker which is always a good thing and is young. He has potential.

Darko would be a really nice pick-up that would compliment Anderson very well.

They were good friends, but they didn't mesh well on the court. Probably had a lot to do with the Bucks system, don't know how that'd work out here.

But between that question mark, and the severe lack of defense, it might not be our best option.

Best option???

Try "No chance in hell" !!!!

The Cavaliers do not want Michael Redd!!!!! move-on people!

 

[gourimoko]

There is ABSOLUTELY no way that the Cavaliers even consider Michael Redd.

I don't know why. He'd fill a serious need for a serious shooting guard that we seriously don't have. I'm not saying he's the best option - not at all - but he's an option that the Cavs management needs to consider. I like West as much as the next guy, but he's no Michael Redd.

1st of all, We will NOT be going after Chris Bosh, Amare, Dwayne, etc,etc. You guys that say that crap sound like a bunch of Knicks fans insisting that LeBron is going to New York!
EVERYONE of those players, with the possible exception of Bosh, will likely stay with the money. Bosh may opt for a short contract in a bigger U.S. Market... but even that is a slim shot.

Now here's where I differ with you, yet I think you might have some more info on this than I have at my disposal. It's my understanding that the Cavaliers with be able to sign 2 max contracts in 2010 - one for James, and one for someone else; assuming we allow most of our expiring contracts to come off the books (trade, release) by that time. More concisely, you suggest we won't have cap space because we'll have signed Andy, and some other large contract - which I understand. But I am in the camp that suggest we trade for a moderately paid 2/4 in the anticipation of either acquiring a major asset this year, towards the deadline, or in the 2010 free agency when it comes round (Wade for instance).

To that end, I think the Cavaliers have a lot to offer a superstar like Wade (just as an example), besides the media market. With an acquisition of that caliber, the Cavaliers would immediately become the best team in the NBA hands down. That's guaranteed championship rings for a potential trade - something that eludes many great players.

As for the Cavaliers... What makes you guys think that the Cavaliers are going to have so much cap-space? Because of our current contracts? What about when Varejao has to be re-signed... that will be about 10-12 million in 2010 off the books. What about The Other players we have to sign between now and that summer, to replace Zydrunas and Ben? Or do you think they can keep it going into their 40's?

Again, come 2010, you figure out what your situation is and act from there. I think it unwise for the Cavaliers to preemptively remove themselves from the 2010 free agency market, without at least considering the possibility of acquiring a player on an equal level as LeBron James. The Cavs are in just the position, considering our roster chalked full of modestly paid role players, to have 2 max contracts on the books, imho. Doesn't necessarily need to be Wade - could be a PF/C, doesn't matter, the point is the same.

Yeah, we have JJ & Jackson. But there are no guarantees that someone will work out. Ask Darko & Brown. Even if they BOTH work-out, and one is a starter, we still need another starter, and 2 other bigs. Yeah, we have draft picks (as of today), but if we are playing for championships, then we wont be drafting any immediate contributors... none that will start anyway. What does this mean? We MUST get at-the-very-least one more BIG (assuming we have Varejao), and that means a trade, and that means at-least 7-9 million more on the books.

The Cavaliers will NOT be players in the 2010 free-agency market.... they will be trying trades probably... but they will not be looking for high-profile players.

Well I hope your wrong, Heath. I really think the Cavs need to be in the 2010 market, as much as possible.

And why do you guys want to wait 2 more years anyway? Why not get the best players available via-trade NOW, and give LeBron a REASON to stay! Hell, the way some of you talk, we'd be the 04 Cavaliers when 2010 rolled around... and if that was the case, then I'd probably drive LeBron to New York.

Because the best players aren't available now, they're available in 2010. We shouldn't sell ourselves short, or take our eyes off the prize. LeBron won't walk out on the Cavs if someone like D. Wade was coming to Cleveland -- c'mon.. (and again, Wade is just an example)

p.s.
One other thing. I think the management has deliberately stacked their contracts so that almost all the obligations come off the books in 2010/2011, save Mo Williams and Delonte West (which is okay). Regardless of the cap, I think Gilbert is prepared to pay the luxury tax if we're winning championships (or at least #1 contenders to do so).

 

[Lee]

Now here's where I differ with you, yet I think you might have some more info on this than I have at my disposal. It's my understanding that the Cavaliers with be able to sign 2 max contracts in 2010 - one for James, and one for someone else; assuming we allow most of our expiring contracts to come off the books (trade, release) by that time. More concisely, you suggest we won't have cap space because we'll have signed Andy, and some other large contract - which I understand. But I am in the camp that suggest we trade for a moderately paid 2/4 in the anticipation of either acquiring a major asset this year, towards the deadline, or in the 2010 free agency when it comes round (Wade for instance).
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To sign another max contract in 2010 we have to add almost nothing to our payroll. That means no av, no trades for ben or wally or sashsa. With james signed we will have about $40 million, he will need to be signed first because his cap hold is even greater. We will only have si6 players and have renounced the rights to z, ben and kinsey. The next max player would give us 7 players and about 5 million or so plus min contracts to fill out the roster. That is enough to give us one more ok player to make 8 and 7 league min guys. Not a very balanced roster. Its because of thise, I dont see us...or many other teams being major players in 2010. The big free agents will do what always happens. Resign with their current team or force a trade through a sign and trade.

 

[Mdog1]

Ok first I have to say GTFO of here with the god damn Mike Redd shit! Didn't work in Mil, why would it work here.

Okay that's out of the way. We won't be players in 2010 LBJHeath is right, nobody will be unless they have like ten million dollars on the cap, which would leave about 50-55 million to play around with. That could sign one max player (LBJ) two 10 - 12 million dollar players (Chandler, Josh Howard) and 11 million to sign a bench. No team has that much money though and that is why nobody will have the cap space to be a major player.

 

[Mdog1]

We may have the opportunity to sign a all-star or an almost all-star like Chandler, and then use the rest to sign a bench. That is the only play we will be able to do because nobody is going to leave their teams, and if they do than the team they go to is going to be financially strapped and not have the cash to sign good players to put around them.

 

[RonG]

Gee to I put weight in what LBJHeath thinks or what the owner of the Cavs has stated.

Gilbert said

teams like Miami, Toronto, Denver...etc need to worry about the cavs going after their guy.... with the cap space the Cavs WILL have 2010

LBJHeath says:

The Cavaliers will NOT be players in the 2010 free-agency market.... they will be trying trades probably... but they will not be looking for high-profile players.

So one of two things is going on here Heath is Dan Gilbert, or Steven A Smith. Given the fact that Gilbert can do math and match up trades that work Salary for Salary, I am leaning towards the idiot Steven A Smith.

Now Lee I want you to re-read your post

To sign another max contract in 2010 we have to add almost nothing to our payroll. That means no av, no trades for ben or wally or sashsa. With james signed we will have about $40 million, he will need to be signed first because his cap hold is even greater. We will only have si6 players and have renounced the rights to z, ben and kinsey. The next max player would give us 7 players and about 5 million or so plus min contracts to fill out the roster. That is enough to give us one more ok player to make 8 and 7 league min guys. Not a very balanced roster. Its because of thise, I dont see us...or many other teams being major players in 2010. The big free agents will do what always happens. Resign with their current team or force a trade through a sign and trade.

Now read your other one
http://www.realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?t=14586

pennies, not much, but we would have our big three. So all we need to do is pull a boston. The cap will be around 65 million. Right now we have 19 million plus our cap holds. Lebron will make about 19.5 million first year, his cap hold would be 23.55...so we are better signing him. That leaves us with 38.5 and 6 players signed. I hear Z wants to continue after this contract if he can. Big men off the bench for 10 minutes like him are very effective. Lets say he signs a 4 million a year deal. That gives us 42.5 and 7 players. Signing Bosh to a max contract of 19.5 gives us 8 players and We have 2 rookies coming in next year at this point unless we make a trade. That gives us 10 players, and be the rest of the cap. Also, as of now, we have 2 rookies coming in for the 2010 season, but the doent count against the cap. That gives us 12 players and only needing to sing 3 players at league min.
It will all hinge on if Danny makes any trades this year and how cap flexible he remains.

 

[Lee]

Gee to I put weight in what LBJHeath thinks or what the owner of the Cavs has stated.

Gilbert said


LBJHeath says:




So one of two things is going on here Heath is Dan Gilbert, or Steven A Smith. Given the fact that Gilbert can do math and match up trades that work Salary for Salary, I am leaning towards the idiot Steven A Smith.

Now Lee I want you to re-read your post





Now read your other one
http://www.realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?t=14586

I started thinking about what we might have an opportunity to do. Like i said in the first post, we could do it, but we would have to sign almost no one. I would rather have av, and 2 or 3 more players of his level than Bosh. I dont think Bosh is a difference maker on defense, although he is very talented offensively. The only bigs that can score that are defensive difference makers available are Dwight and Amare, both staying imo. I do believe Bosh might be available, but what it would take to get there just might be to much.

That being said, Ferry has proven me wrong. If we want a shot at Bosh, we let AV walk, let pavs, snow, wally and Ben expire, sign no more than 6 million on the books for 2010. That will be a bit more than just the rookies.

Our team would look like this.

pg........Mo.......gibson.....................min contract
sg........west.....2010 1st rounder......min contract
sf.........LBJ.......2009 2nd rounder.....min contract
pf........hickson...jackson..................min contract
c.........Bosh......2009 1st rounder......2010 2nd rounder

is that enough to win a title?

or, do not worry about 2010, and trade when an opportunity comes up. If thats the case, our team could look something like this


pg........Mo........gibson...........................min contract
sg........Redd......West............................2010 1st rounder
sf.........LBJ........2009 1st rounder............2010 2nd rounder
pf........AK47.......hickson..........................jackson
c.........AV..........Z (signed as back up)......2009 2nd rounder

We would have to renounce Z in the first scenerio, and only be able to offer him a min contract, which he would most likely just make him retire...which is fine, but I just think team 2 is a stronger team, but I could be wrong. Also, I am using Redd and AK47 as examples, but it could just as easily be Carter and Colison, Or Salmons and Brad Miller, Mike Miller and Okafor....and in the first scenerio we have all our draft picks for sure, in the second, we could end up trading away draft picks to aquire talent.

 

[-Akronite-]

There is ABSOLUTELY no way that the Cavaliers even consider Michael Redd.

You have no idea what you are talking about. All the talk was about getting Micheal Redd. It was basically confirmed that we tried to get Redd and settled on Mo (which is still a great acquisition). To say the Cavs won't consider a 3-point specialist 20-points per game Olympian All-Star if the right deal came along is utter bullshit.

1st of all, We will NOT be going after Chris Bosh, Amare, Dwayne, etc,etc. You guys that say that crap sound like a bunch of Knicks fans insisting that LeBron is going to New York!
EVERYONE of those players, with the possible exception of Bosh, will likely stay with the money. Bosh may opt for a short contract in a bigger U.S. Market... but even that is a slim shot.

Again, there are lots of people on this site with and Dan Gilbert himself that can show you that we will have cap space out our ass in 2010 if we play our cards right, which could mean going for a super-star next to LeBron James. I know we shouldn't bank on it happening, but we have to consider all options, and I'd rather have Chris Bosh than settle for Darko. Again, it's no guarantee, but Darko is no guarantee for a ring either.

As for the Cavaliers... What makes you guys think that the Cavaliers are going to have so much cap-space? Because of our current contracts? What about when Varejao has to be re-signed... that will be about 10-12 million in 2010 off the books. What about The Other players we have to sign between now and that summer, to replace Zydrunas and Ben? Or do you think they can keep it going into their 40's?

If Varejao is asking for that much he better have a great season of we will send his ass packing. No way Ferry makes a deal that big with him. Or I could be wrong, I'm not an expert on this situation.

Ben and Z's pay will be severely cut with old age. The replacements will be found in the draft or are currently being developed by the team. Unless we make a big trade now and score some good big man, we could be looking to the free agent market for that center to play next to JJ Hickson (when he's a starter... fingers crossed).


Yeah, we have JJ & Jackson. But there are no guarantees that someone will work out. Ask Darko & Brown. Even if they BOTH work-out, and one is a starter, we still need another starter, and 2 other bigs. Yeah, we have draft picks (as of today), but if we are playing for championships, then we wont be drafting any immediate contributors... none that will start anyway. What does this mean? We MUST get at-the-very-least one more BIG (assuming we have Varejao), and that means a trade, and that means at-least 7-9 million more on the books.

But we could also stick with the roster that we have, who are confident and comfortable if we have a shot at getting a star to start a dynasty. You can't tell me it's impossible or that the Cavs shouldn't be thinking about those possibilities.

The Cavaliers will NOT be players in the 2010 free-agency market.... they will be trying trades probably... but they will not be looking for high-profile players.

Why?

And why do you guys want to wait 2 more years anyway? Why not get the best players available via-trade NOW, and give LeBron a REASON to stay! Hell, the way some of you talk, we'd be the 04 Cavaliers when 2010 rolled around... and if that was the case, then I'd probably drive LeBron to New York.

Because we might be able to get the best players possible now. People have been begging to get the best possible right away. Ferry instead has been patient and has built up a solid roster. We have some holes, and they hope to patch that up with all their possibilities that lie ahead. Waiting will be worth it for a high profile player. Look at the Celtics. This roster has a shot at a championship, but we'll have to have another assessment on whether we should trade or wait after this season, unless they already make the decision.

Darko would be a really nice pick-up that would compliment Anderson very well.

I don't know much about Darko... I'll wait til the season starts and take a lookyloo when we play him.

Best option???

Try "No chance in hell" !!!!

The Cavaliers do not want Michael Redd!!!!! move-on people!

The Cavs did want Micheal Redd and chances are high that they would highly consider taking him if they could get the right deal done. He's a great player, quit acting like we wouldn't be interested in a great player that isn't an asshole. And for the last time, it's not our best option or the most viable, but it is an option, and a good one IMO if they could make it work and keep us strong defensively.

But yes, it may be risky to wait but it might just be worth it if we could land Bosh. Again, I am not an expert on the subject, but it'll be awesome to watch the Cavs this season and see what Ferry does with our situation.

 

[Lee]

But yes, it may be risky to wait but it might just be worth it if we could land Bosh. Again, I am not an expert on the subject, but it'll be awesome to watch the Cavs this season and see what Ferry does with our situation.

I just dont see Bosh as the difference maker alot do. AV is becoming better offensively, and he already is a superior defender to bosh. I like bosh's game, but he just isnt in the same league to me as D Howard or Amare. I would actually take Bynum at this point for a fit with the cavs. If we sign a big to a maxe contract, he has to be the tough enterior defender our defense needs. Bosh at 230lbs and one block a game isnt that defender, He doesnt average double digits in rebounds either. So, the only thing he truly excells at is scoring, although thats important, that is not everything.

 

[-Akronite-]

I just dont see Bosh as the difference maker alot do. AV is becoming better offensively, and he already is a superior defender to bosh. I like bosh's game, but he just isnt in the same league to me as D Howard or Amare. I would actually take Bynum at this point for a fit with the cavs. If we sign a big to a maxe contract, he has to be the tough enterior defender our defense needs. Bosh at 230lbs and one block a game isnt that defender, He doesnt average double digits in rebounds either. So, the only thing he truly excells at is scoring, although thats important, that is not everything.

Chris Bosh is about a twenty and ten guy. Next time you compare AV to him you lose a testicle.