Andrew Wiggins

[Mr. Orange]

The reality is that by the time Wiggins is in his prime, LeBron will be retired.

Pundits won't remember that when they trash the trade years from now, but it is what it is.

Agree, but still would have been nice to have a Kyrie/Wiggins core for the next 10 years. Feel bad for this kid, being traded to the worst franchise in the league. There is no LBJ coming to save the day like Kyrie. There is no Anthony Davis in the draft. I would be very surprised is Wiggins ever makes the playoffs in Minnesota. It's going to be K.Love 2.0.

 

[Jstock12]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVg-F4QVXFA


'nuff said.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

Agree, but still would have been nice to have a Kyrie/Wiggins core for the next 10 years. Feel bad for this kid, being traded to the worst franchise in the league. There is no LBJ coming to save the day like Kyrie. There is no Anthony Davis in the draft. I would be very surprised is Wiggins ever makes the playoffs in Minnesota. It's going to be K.Love 2.0.

I hope he leaves for Toronto when his contract is up. Minnesota hasn't made the playoffs in 10 years and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[gourimoko]

I hope he leaves for Toronto when his contract is up. Minnesota hasn't made the playoffs in 10 years and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

I hope something happens and we end up either trading for him, or signing him in free agency down the road. Would be a great story.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

I hope something happens and we end up either trading for him, or signing him in free agency down the road. Would be a great story.

Lol. Has that ever happened before where a team trades a star/potential star and then that player ends up returning to that team via free agency a few years later?

Edit: And not a sign and trade like Lebron

 

[czvo]

Lol. Has that ever happened before where a team trades a star/potential star and then that player ends up returning to that team a few years later?

LeBron, technically.

 

[gourimoko]

Lol. Has that ever happened before where a team trades a star/potential star and then that player ends up returning to that team a few years later?

Yeah... LeBron.

 

[jlegg21]

Agree, but still would have been nice to have a Kyrie/Wiggins core for the next 10 years. Feel bad for this kid, being traded to the worst franchise in the league. There is no LBJ coming to save the day like Kyrie. There is no Anthony Davis in the draft. I would be very surprised is Wiggins ever makes the playoffs in Minnesota. It's going to be K.Love 2.0.

Wiggins really has shown why the hype was so great around him coming into the draft and I'm happy for him. He does things that make you go 'wow' pretty much on a nightly basis now. I'm less concerned about how he would have fit on this Cavs team and it's irrelevant. The talent is obviously there.

However, the bolded is the problem. Kid has nothing around him, maybe even less than LeBron did his rookie year. No core to speak of and a shaky FO/coach to boot. I'm not even sure there's a way to start fixing it until Flip is fired, and that doesnt seem imminent. What they really need is a new owner, honestly.

Even if Minny lucks into #1 and they take Towns or Okafor, are they finishing any higher than 10th in the West in the next three years? It sure looks like Minny is going to be right back in the same boat with Wiggins they were in this past summer. They're stuck.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

Yeah... LeBron.

I was debating putting in parenthesis "and not a sign and trade like Lebron," but yeah, I mean just a straight up trade. Probably never happens because it leaves hard feelings between the player and his old team. That being said, it would be crazy if we found a way to snatch Wiggins once he hit free agency.

 

[gourimoko]

I was debating putting in parenthesis "and not a sign and trade like Lebron," but yeah, I mean just a straight up trade. Probably never happens because it leaves hard feelings between the player and his old team. That being said, it would be crazy if we found a way to snatch Wiggins once he hit free agency.

Money is money and the narrative would be amazing...

This is almost assuredly never going to happen but I could see a scenario where:

1) We get him just like we got Kevin Love - via trade. We won't have any #1 overall picks any time soon, but we might get lucky in free agency and a later draft.

2) We sign him outright to a max contract in free agency. I think this would be our best bet, and if we're contenders at the time and he's ready to compete for a title, he'd have to consider it.

p.s.
Disclaimer: Again, this has a less than 0.001% chance of happening... but still.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

Money is money and the narrative would be amazing...

This is almost assuredly never going to happen but I could see a scenario where:

1) We get him just like we got Kevin Love - via trade. We won't have any #1 overall picks any time soon, but we might get lucky in free agency and a later draft.

2) We sign him outright to a max contract in free agency. I think this would be our best bet, and if we're contenders at the time and he's ready to compete for a title, he'd have to consider it.

p.s.
Disclaimer: Again, this has a less than 0.001% chance of happening... but still.

At the time, the odds of the Cavs getting the number one pick and being in the position to draft Wiggins were slim, as well. Maybe we get lucky again.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Wiggins really has shown why the hype was so great around him coming into the draft and I'm happy for him. He does things that make you go 'wow' pretty much on a nightly basis now. I'm less concerned about how he would have fit on this Cavs team and it's irrelevant. The talent is obviously there.

However, the bolded is the problem. Kid has nothing around him, maybe even less than LeBron did his rookie year. No core to speak of and a shaky FO/coach to boot. I'm not even sure there's a way to start fixing it until Flip is fired, and that doesnt seem imminent. What they really need is a new owner, honestly.

Even if Minny lucks into #1 and they take Towns or Okafor, are they finishing any higher than 10th in the West in the next three years? It sure looks like Minny is going to be right back in the same boat with Wiggins they were in this past summer. They're stuck.

Well, I wouldn't paint that bleak of a picture. They actually do have a core of young players apart from Wiggins, they were just hurt by injuries this year with Rubio (60 games) and Shabazz Muhammad (44 games) missing significant time. You can actually build an entire lineup of first-round picks that Minnesota will have around Wiggins next year, their ages are in parenthesis to show how much youth that team has.

PG: Ricky Rubio (25), Zach LaVine (20)
SG: Andrew Wiggins (20)
SF: Shabazz Muhammad (23)
PF: Andreian Payne (24), Anthony Bennett (22)
C: Gorgui Deng (26)

If their starting lineup could just stay healthy the pieces are all there for Minny to start their slow ascent up to the playoffs, especially if they get lucky and add one of Towns/Okafor combo. Even then, I wouldn't exactly call them stuck --- they've already got the hardest part of most rebuilds: a budding superstar to build around.

 

[Steve_424]

Well, I wouldn't paint that bleak of a picture. They actually do have a core of young players apart from Wiggins, they were just hurt by injuries this year with Rubio (60 games) and Shabazz Muhammad (44 games) missing significant time. You can actually build an entire lineup of first-round picks that Minnesota will have around Wiggins next year, their ages are in parenthesis to show how much youth that team has.

PG: Ricky Rubio (25), Zach LaVine (20)
SG: Andrew Wiggins (20)
SF: Shabazz Muhammad (23)
PF: Andreian Payne (24), Anthony Bennett (22)
C: Gorgui Deng (26)

If their starting lineup could just stay healthy the pieces are all there for Minny to start their slow ascent up to the playoffs, especially if they get lucky and add one of Towns/Okafor combo. Even then, I wouldn't exactly call them stuck --- they've already got the hardest part of most rebuilds: a budding superstar to build around.

That's not a bad team in the East, but I can't see that group finishing in the top 8 out West. Not a single player on that roster is good enough to be the 2nd best player on a contender - heck, I'm not even sure we can say that about Wiggins yet...he has superstar potential but the key word is potential.

IMO They're going to have to luck out, win the lottery, and nab a star player to have any shot of being anything more than a perennial lottery team.

 

[CosmoKramer]

That's not a bad team in the East, but I can't see that group finishing in the top 8 out West. Not a single player on that roster is good enough to be the 2nd best player on a contender - heck, I'm not even sure we can say that about Wiggins yet...he has superstar potential but the key word is potential.

IMO They're going to have to luck out, win the lottery, and nab a star player to have any shot of being anything more than a perennial lottery team.

It's too far out to speak with any certainty about what Minny's ceiling is. It's far too young, and the West could be drastically different in just a couple years: The Popovich/Duncan era will eventually end, Durant/Westbrook could both bolt OKC, and Curry's ankles could start acting up again.

It's going to take major growth from players already on the roster, signing the right free agents, and nailing their draft picks from here on out --- all doable --- to make the T'Wolves a contender. I'm really going to be interested in where they go with their top-4 pick this year.

 

[Man Called X]

It's too far out to speak with any certainty about what Minny's ceiling is. It's far too young, and the West could be drastically different in just a couple years: The Popovich/Duncan era will eventually end, Durant/Westbrook could both bolt OKC, and Curry's ankles could start acting up again.

It's going to take major growth from players already on the roster, signing the right free agents, and nailing their draft picks from here on out --- all doable --- to make the T'Wolves a contender. I'm really going to be interested in where they go with their top-4 pick this year.

Being the Wolves, it'll be a wing that can't create or a big that does the same thing as Dieng. Because if there's one thing the T'Wolves are good for, it's drafting redundantly and undervaluing it's own talent.