Are 3 pointers ruining the league?

[JayP146]

Moving screens is really an underrated aspect of this that is poorly enforced. When you can push a guy off like Draymond does or hold someone, yeah the moving shooter gets a clean look easily.

I don't have respect for that and it is the same as grifting for fouls to me

Here's a blatant example from last night--

 

[Ohioplayer00]

The problem isn’t the three point shot…..it’s been around for years (since the days of the ABA)! The problem is that sports in general have been ruined by analytics. Coaches and players are allowing numbers on a computer to control how they coach/play. I can count on my ten fingers the number of players in todays game who SHOULD be shooting three pointers….however you got players who can’t even hit FTs with consistency out there jacking up three balls!
It’s the mindset of using the three ball that has ruined today’s game as we see it!

 

[Rich]

Yes to what every one is saying. It really is just not very fun when one team gets hot and the other doesn't. I guess it's ok, and why we love college basketball, but they're just not as skilled in general, so getting "hot" really is a rare occurrence every 15 games or whatever, where in the NBA it can be basically every other game.

It's why GS was such an annoying team to play. It seemed by all accounts the Cavs were a "Better" team across the board, but if GS got hot.... it didn't matter at all. Still true today. It seems you could (and teams try it even) just put out 5 really good 3 point shooters with zero defense and have a half decent chance of winning any game in the NBA currently.

Pretty much the baseline of how teams should try and build right now.

You go up from there. 3 point shooter with length and athleticism and etc.

But shooting is the most important trait now. For all five positions imo.

 

[Rich]

The problem isn’t the three point shot…..it’s been around for years (since the days of the ABA)! The problem is that sports in general have been ruined by analytics. Coaches and players are allowing numbers on a computer to control how they coach/play. I can count on my ten fingers the number of players in todays game who SHOULD be shooting three pointers….however you got players who can’t even hit FTs with consistency out there jacking up three balls!
It’s the mindset of using the three ball that has ruined today’s game as we see it!

No this is all wrong.

If you were a coach and you did this where you only let one player shoot 3s (according to your math some teams would have e zero) you'd lose most nights and get fired quickly.

Mediocre shooters are shooting 3s because hitting 34% of your 3s is better than 50% of your 2s.

And hitting 50% of your twos isn't easy l.

 

[Alec]

Depends on what you mean by "ruin."

It's pretty and aesthetic basketball, in my opinion. Moreso than clogged lanes.

I just think the points are weighted wrong. For a shot to be worth 50% more from behind the line is totally nuts imo. especially as future generations and players of all sizes get better and better from 3. I don't think Steph Curry type skills will ever be the "norm" but it could get close to that in the next 50 years. At that point, it's hard to imagine what the game would look like.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Here's a blatant example from last night--

Couple of carries by Steph, too.

He could shoot 40%+ on some of them 5 pointers though bet.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

No this is all wrong.

If you were a coach and you did this where you only let one player shoot 3s (according to your math some teams would have e zero) you'd lose most nights and get fired quickly.

Mediocre shooters are shooting 3s because hitting 34% of your 3s is better than 50% of your 2s.

And hitting 50% of your twos isn't easy l.

No this is all wrong.

If you were a coach and you did this where you only let one player shoot 3s (according to your math some teams would have e zero) you'd lose most nights and get fired quickly.

Mediocre shooters are shooting 3s because hitting 34% of your 3s is better than 50% of your 2s.

And hitting 50% of your twos isn't easy l.

“Mediocre shooters are shooting 3s because hitting 34% of your 3s is better than 50% of your 2s.”……
you just proved my whole point with this statement.
Let me give you a case study to prove my point. I watched a game between the Jazz and Nuggets not too long ago. Nuggets were down one point with 1:26 in the game with the ball. In that last 1:26 the Nuggets took FIVE three pointers….not one mid range shot, not one drive to the basket to attempt to draw a foul. Even their last shot attempt with 3.4 seconds to go was a contested three ball from out front. This is a prime example of todays game. Down three…shoot a three, down two….shoot a three, down one point…..shoot a three!
You can quote alllllllllllll the numbers you want but at some point “common sense” and how you learned to play the game has to come into play.

 

[guitarguy]

“Mediocre shooters are shooting 3s because hitting 34% of your 3s is better than 50% of your 2s.”……
you just proved my whole point with this statement.
Let me give you a case study to prove my point. I watched a game between the Jazz and Nuggets not too long ago. Nuggets were down one point with 1:26 in the game with the ball. In that last 1:26 the Nuggets took FIVE three pointers….not one mid range shot, not one drive to the basket to attempt to draw a foul. Even their last shot attempt with 3.4 seconds to go was a contested three ball from out front. This is a prime example of todays game. Down three…shoot a three, down two….shoot a three, down one point…..shoot a three!
You can quote alllllllllllll the numbers you want but at some point “common sense” and how you learned to play the game has to come into play.

I think it's hard to turn it off, once you've turned it on.

(just jacking up 3s).

 

[Rich]

Depends on what you mean by "ruin."

It's pretty and aesthetic basketball, in my opinion. Moreso than clogged lanes.

I just think the points are weighted wrong. For a shot to be worth 50% more from behind the line is totally nuts imo. especially as future generations and players of all sizes get better and better from 3. I don't think Steph Curry type skills will ever be the "norm" but it could get close to that in the next 50 years. At that point, it's hard to imagine what the game would look like.

Well this is all subjective.

Golden State plays an aesthetically pleasing form of basketball based on 3 point shooting.

Most teams don't.

A lot of the better teams over the years since this revolution have been of the LeBron James/James Harden/Luka Doncic mold. One guy, 4 out.

That is not pleasing to watch, to me. I don't find that style entertaining at all.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Well this is all subjective.

Golden State plays an aesthetically pleasing form of basketball based on 3 point shooting.

Most teams don't.

A lot of the better teams over the years since this revolution have been of the LeBron James/James Harden/Luka Doncic mold. One guy, 4 out.

That is not pleasing to watch, to me. I don't find that style entertaining at all.

Exactly!!!! There are teams that should cater their offense around the three point shot and those that shouldn’t even consider it.
I know people will think I’m crazy but even Curry takes a lot of bad three point shots but because he’s probably the greatest shooter in NBA history (and hits a lot of them) he gets a pass.
I’m not against the three ball….I was around when only the ABA was using it. But I truly believe as I said earlier today’s mindset in using it has hurt the game (not the shot itself)

 

[PIP]

Steph Curry is just a fun player to watch but that’s also due to his handles and how he can get free and quickly shoot…Klay’s quick shot is cool as well….

What makes Golden State pleasing to watch is not the 3 point shot as much as it’s the player movement and the passing…. Continuous motion offense, multiple screens… They get open shots from multiple penetration attempts in a possession…

Otherwise there’s nothing pleasing about Wiggins, Porter Jr, Poole, Draymond, Iggy shooting the 3 point shot.,.. It’s the passing, with the high IQ play that really separates them from others…

 

[Cassity14]

“Mediocre shooters are shooting 3s because hitting 34% of your 3s is better than 50% of your 2s.”……
you just proved my whole point with this statement.
Let me give you a case study to prove my point. I watched a game between the Jazz and Nuggets not too long ago. Nuggets were down one point with 1:26 in the game with the ball. In that last 1:26 the Nuggets took FIVE three pointers….not one mid range shot, not one drive to the basket to attempt to draw a foul. Even their last shot attempt with 3.4 seconds to go was a contested three ball from out front. This is a prime example of todays game. Down three…shoot a three, down two….shoot a three, down one point…..shoot a three!
You can quote alllllllllllll the numbers you want but at some point “common sense” and how you learned to play the game has to come into play.

Idk...I learned to play the game by moving the ball to the open man and that open shots are better than contested shots.

It's a major reason why I've always loved watching LeBron so much...he'll live with a teammate who isn't "as good" as him taking an open look in an important moment over his own hero ball.

If that open look is a 3 and the guy shooting it is capable, why not let it fly?

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Idk...I learned to play the game by moving the ball to the open man and that open shots are better than contested shots.

It's a major reason why I've always loved watching LeBron so much...he'll live with a teammate who isn't "as good" as him taking an open look in an important moment over his own hero ball.

If that open look is a 3 and the guy shooting it is capable, why not let it fly?

And most of todays NBA offenses are geared to moving the ball around until they get the open 3 look!

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

“Mediocre shooters are shooting 3s because hitting 34% of your 3s is better than 50% of your 2s.”……
you just proved my whole point with this statement.
Let me give you a case study to prove my point. I watched a game between the Jazz and Nuggets not too long ago. Nuggets were down one point with 1:26 in the game with the ball. In that last 1:26 the Nuggets took FIVE three pointers….not one mid range shot, not one drive to the basket to attempt to draw a foul. Even their last shot attempt with 3.4 seconds to go was a contested three ball from out front. This is a prime example of todays game. Down three…shoot a three, down two….shoot a three, down one point…..shoot a three!
You can quote alllllllllllll the numbers you want but at some point “common sense” and how you learned to play the game has to come into play.

As @Rich alluded to, I think players getting longer/quicker over time and big men getting significantly better at closing out and contesting shots has made it more difficult to shoot 50%+ from 2 unless the vast majority of your shots are taken at the rim.

If you look at the guys shooting 50% or higher from 2, it's like 98% bigs and nearly all their shots are inside 10 feet. I don't know if guys just don't practice mid-range anymore, or if it's effectively getting eliminated due to the reasons mentioned above. I think the changes to illegal defense calls have affected this as well.

I'd be interested to see them experiment with getting rid of the corner three and see what happens. I don't know what else you can do, as moving the line back will just have more guys launching further back. I don't think it really changes the volume at all.

 

[prf100]

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