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Forty games in, how do we look?

Overall, about how we always look. Lets take a gander at the Francona years at the first 40 games, the second 40
games, and final record.

2019

21-19
23-17
93-69

2018

20-20
24-16
91-71

2017

21-19
22-18
102-60

2016

22-18
27-13
94-67

2015

17-23
21-19
81-80

2014

19-21
20-20
85-77

2013

23-17
19-21
92-70

In every year, excepting Titos first, the team has had a better record in the second quarter, sometimes dramatically. And in every year, excepting 2013, the team has had a dramatically better winning percentage at the end. But even in 2013, the end winning percentage wasn't that far off from the 40 game mark.

Every team is different, as is every season, so individually these numbers aren't predictive as to how 2021 will go. But taken as a whole, seven seasons isn't sheer luck. They show an organizational...and very significant...trend.

If we look at the players themselves there isn't anybody performing at a rate above what was expected, except Shaw and, perhaps, Karinchak and Clase.

But we have a ton who are producing well below reasonably expected levels of production. It can be reasonably expected that most of them will revert to their norms.

Given the myriad problems with the offense and 40% of the rotation, the record is somewhat of a surprise. Given the way this organization always seems to figure out a way to swim against the current, the record is about as expected.

Maybe we tend to focus on individual players too much, instead of upon the organization and the big view. It always seems to end up that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
 
Considering that we shed huge talent and salary annually, we are looking Great.
We can rally this thing, and there's money to add help.

It's like that old cliché: "We have done so much, with so little, for so long, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
 
The arrows seem to be all pointing up. My only concern is we have had no signficant injuries. Nobody gets through a season injury free. I'm looking around and seeing guys like Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert with the White Sox and now Trout with the Angels going down and wondering when it's going to be our turn.

But being the youngest team in the majors could make us less injury prone than other teams.
 
The arrows seem to be all pointing up. My only concern is we have had no signficant injuries. Nobody gets through a season injury free. I'm looking around and seeing guys like Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert with the White Sox and now Trout with the Angels going down and wondering when it's going to be our turn.

But being the youngest team in the majors could make us less injury prone than other teams.
Losing Roberto Perez is a significant injury..

Just this year (compared to 2020) the team is in a better position to weather it...
 
I know the future looks extremely bright for us Cleveland fans, but I think this team is so close to being really dangerous now. Positionally, I'm not overly concerned just yet because I'm waiting to see if Miller or any other prospects can give this team a spark. I'd still like to see 1B addressed, but I'd be fine with Naylor there while Amed and HRam cover CF and RF. All 3 are hitting the ball quite well presently and I think they sustain it. None are serious power threats, but all 3 are good hitters. If they add Miller to that mix and he continues to perform then that will be a big boost. Offensively, what this team does need is for Eddie to start carrying his share.

I'd like to see a SP acquired. I don't expect everyone to agree and I'm not trying to convince anyone that it's a need. It would just significantly boost my confidence in this team's ability to make a deep postseason run.

I've mentioned it recently, but I still wonder of Gomes could be had for a reasonable cost. Having a C that could hit would also be a huge offensive boost and Gomes is still good defensively.

Feel free to criticize Dolan for being "cheap". I don't partake in it, but it has little to do with my feelings toward this organization. What no one can argue is how well this organization is ran by CA and MC. Not that every decision they make is the right one, but damn they run a tight ship.
 
Gotta say I'm cautiously optimistic.
I still don't see us winning the division. When healthy, the White Sox roster is way better than ours. Our only advantages are bullpen and manager.
Here's my top reasons for optimism:
1. Eddie Rosario can't be this bad all season. He's a vet.
2. Bullpen is deep, dominant, and being used well.
3. Brian Shaw has been reborn.
4. Our defense should get better as players get more regular roles.
5. Rumor has it, we are likely to add a sparkplug type. (Owen Miller?)
 
Losing Roberto Perez is a significant injury..

Just this year (compared to 2020) the team is in a better position to weather it...
I forgot about Berto but Hedges is doing a great job with the glove. His OBP is well below Berto, however.

The Indians have made good progress in determining who they are and who plays where. After a period of experimentation they sent Gimenez down and put Amed at shortstop, they put Harold Ramirez in center (after trying Gamel, Luplow, and Amed), they send Logan Allen down and replaced him with Sam Hentges, and they're in the process of figuring out roles for the bullpen.

Based on what they've learned I would say they are in better shape than they were on Opening Day. They know what situations are better for Shaw, Clase and Karinchak. They know they can steal bases and they should probably run more considering how many close, low scoring games they're involved in. Harold Ramirez has emerged as a decent OF bat. They're figuring it out and soon (if not already) they should have the information they need to either make a trade for a fifth starter or an every day first baseman or bring up Miller or Arias.

Last night's game was a great example of using speed to decide a game. Josie got on and went to second on a slow gound ball by Reyes. Taking advantage of a lefty on the mound he then stole third. With Josie on third the infield had to come in. Naylor's hard shot off the pitcher's knee deflected into short left field allowing Josie to score. If Josie was still on second base the infield would have been at normal depth and Naylor's hit probably doesn't get past the shortstop and he's thrown out.

Until their hitters start producing more the Indians should be even more aggressive on the bases. They did get a runner thrown out at home on a short fly ball last night, but it took a perfect throw.
 
This leadership team continues to amaze and impress me....

We haven't had quite the level of starting pitching that we expected.
We've been no-hit twice
We've gotten next to nothing from the Catcher, 1B, SS and an OF position offensively.....And very little from LF and 2B....

Yet, we sit 5 games over at 41 games in. I hope Sandy is learning a ton from Tito on the intangibles of managing as I suspect when Tito is done in the next couple years, Sandy steps in.....
 
It seems to me that the fact that we’re over 500 is truly amazing
So, in that sense, we are doing far better than I thought we would
It's not amazing when you consider the top 3 SP and the BP. Their dominance alone will keep just about any team above .500. With an upgrade in personnel or performance at a couple of positions this team could beat the White Sox for the division title and make a deep run in the playoffs.
 
I know the future looks extremely bright for us Cleveland fans, but I think this team is so close to being really dangerous now. Positionally, I'm not overly concerned just yet because I'm waiting to see if Miller or any other prospects can give this team a spark. I'd still like to see 1B addressed, but I'd be fine with Naylor there while Amed and HRam cover CF and RF. All 3 are hitting the ball quite well presently and I think they sustain it. None are serious power threats, but all 3 are good hitters. If they add Miller to that mix and he continues to perform then that will be a big boost. Offensively, what this team does need is for Eddie to start carrying his share.

I'd like to see a SP acquired. I don't expect everyone to agree and I'm not trying to convince anyone that it's a need. It would just significantly boost my confidence in this team's ability to make a deep postseason run.

I've mentioned it recently, but I still wonder of Gomes could be had for a reasonable cost. Having a C that could hit would also be a huge offensive boost and Gomes is still good defensively.

Feel free to criticize Dolan for being "cheap". I don't partake in it, but it has little to do with my feelings toward this organization. What no one can argue is how well this organization is ran by CA and MC. Not that every decision they make is the right one, but damn they run a tight ship.
Good stuff CDav as usual. I wouldn't have a problem in trading for a starting pitcher but I'm hoping that won't be necessary. Scott Moss is making only his third start tonight after a significant injury set him back. And I haven't thrown in the towel on Tristan either. As for Sam, he was put into an impossible situation coming off a horrible season 2 years ago in double A and then thrown to the wolves due to necessity.

And who knows. maybe a miracle would happen and someone from A ball will come to the rescue like Beiber. Civale and Plesac did.

To evercome the White Sox, we somehow need our number 4 and 5 to post ERA's between 4 and 4.5. We also need Hernandez and Eddie to start hitting the damn ball. And finally. Miller needs to perform when he gets here.

A lot to ask I know, but these things are possible.
 
Cesar's numbers have come up appreciably in May - not sure why he's the focus of getting dumped - btw, his contract pays him 5 mil this season -with a club option for next season at 6 mil w/no buyout
 
Cesar's numbers have come up appreciably in May - not sure why he's the focus of getting dumped - btw, his contract pays him 5 mil this season -with a club option for next season at 6 mil w/no buyout
I think Cesar is a well-respected veteran in the league who has value.

I also think we have two capable young second basemen, in Owen Miller and Tyler Freeman, who can replace Cesar's production immediately (Miller now, Freeman likely doesn't start his service clock until next year).

So, if you can ship Cesar out, get something of value in return, and allow one of your young players to come up and replace him, I think that's a great deal.

Maybe Cesar is just part of a package to acquire a starting pitcher, or to upgrade 1B or the OF... but even if it's just for prospects, I'd do it.
 
I'd like to at least hold onto Cesar through the end of the year. He had some shit luck to start the year, but he's never hit the ball as well as he is right now. Even if he comes down to Earth a bit, I expect his year-end numbers to be among the best of his career.
 
Good stuff CDav as usual. I wouldn't have a problem in trading for a starting pitcher but I'm hoping that won't be necessary. Scott Moss is making only his third start tonight after a significant injury set him back. And I haven't thrown in the towel on Tristan either. As for Sam, he was put into an impossible situation coming off a horrible season 2 years ago in double A and then thrown to the wolves due to necessity.

And who knows. maybe a miracle would happen and someone from A ball will come to the rescue like Beiber. Civale and Plesac did.

To evercome the White Sox, we somehow need our number 4 and 5 to post ERA's between 4 and 4.5. We also need Hernandez and Eddie to start hitting the damn ball. And finally. Miller needs to perform when he gets here.

A lot to ask I know, but these things are possible.
Thanks! I'm anxious to see what Moss can do and I agree 100% with what you stated about Hentges. There's just too much to work with there to cast him to the side or pigeon hole him into a BP role just yet.

The thing with McKenzie for me is the lack of confidence in regards to his durability. I'm also beginning to believe that I had his ceiling higher than it actually is.

I think Cesar is now hitting the ball like we thought he would and he's just about flawless defensively. Just a f'n solid baseball player.

Eddie is our bugaboo right now. The lineup isn't deep enough without him performing as usual.

I think Miller has such a low maintenance, repeated swing to go along with excellent pitch recognition that he'll at least be an average hitter. Probably more.
 

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