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Couldn't agree more - my girlfriend actually graduated from Mason so this has been a point of discussion in our household this weekend.

Life's a competition and the more we baby these post-millennials, the more entitled yet dumb people we will have taking care of us as we get older.

What about the kid that did work his ass off to get a valedictorian distinction? He can't put that on his college application because some parent is soft as charmin? Makes no sense.
 
Couldn't agree more - my girlfriend actually graduated from Mason so this has been a point of discussion in our household this weekend.

Life's a competition and the more we baby these post-millennials, the more entitled yet dumb people we will have taking care of us as we get older.

What about the kid that did work his ass off to get a valedictorian distinction? He can't put that on his college application because some parent is soft as charmin? Makes no sense.

Couldn’t *disagree* more. The act of learning isn’t about competition with others, it’s about expanding and bettering yourself. Sports are competitive and should help that part of the human experience, but my ability to learn differential equations faster than you and regurgitating it on a test “better” than you doesn’t mean I’m smarter, or even that I actually understand the concept, better than you. The American system of learning is beyond outdated and just produces flawed cogs in a machine. There’s a reason we’ve been getting lapped in every field/industry. (And, before anyone thinks I’m a bitter bad student, I’m pretty sure I can still find my transcripts, standardized test scores and college admissions letters)
 
Couldn’t *disagree* more. The act of learning isn’t about competition with others, it’s about expanding and bettering yourself. Sports are competitive and should help that part of the human experience, but my ability to learn differential equations faster than you and regurgitating it on a test “better” than you doesn’t mean I’m smarter, or even that I actually understand the concept, better than you. The American system of learning is beyond outdated and just produces flawed cogs in a machine. There’s a reason we’ve been getting lapped in every field/industry. (And, before anyone thinks I’m a bitter bad student, I’m pretty sure I can still find my transcripts, standardized test scores and college admissions letters)

Yeah but are your transcripts, standardized test scores, and college admission letters better than mine, though? That's the question.
 
The valedictorian distinction is dumb. Highest GPA doesn't really mean anything worthwhile. It's not like all the kids are taking the same classes. Heck, this distinction would reward someone taking easier courses, and punish those taking more challenging courses.

If you think that removing this distinction means these kids aren't still competing with every other kid in the nation to get into their college of choice, I don't know what to tell you.

It's a bunch of people getting triggered over a headline for a story that's a non-issue.
 
Couldn’t *disagree* more. The act of learning isn’t about competition with others, it’s about expanding and bettering yourself. Sports are competitive and should help that part of the human experience, but my ability to learn differential equations faster than you and regurgitating it on a test “better” than you doesn’t mean I’m smarter, or even that I actually understand the concept, better than you. The American system of learning is beyond outdated and just produces flawed cogs in a machine. There’s a reason we’ve been getting lapped in every field/industry. (And, before anyone thinks I’m a bitter bad student, I’m pretty sure I can still find my transcripts, standardized test scores and college admissions letters)
Let me get this straight. You’re saying testing and classroom performance are irrelevant to evaluate?

So, grades don’t matter? A 2.0 performance and a 4.0 performance are the same in predicting someone’s aptitude, work ethic, and desire to meet goals?

It sounds as if you have an issue with grading entirely.

In jobs, why do we do performance evaluations?

Everyone is the same? Doing the best they can without being scored or motivated?

Competition is natural and beneficial. The constant drive to be the best at what you choose to do. The drive to work for it. The drive to make a difference. Self-drive to motivate oneself.

For many of these high school kids, school is the main job at that point in life—learning how to balance it with athletics, side jobs, personal life. Performance opens paths to the next level of learning. A means to a career.

There isn’t a perfect system for measuring some of these items, and sure, standardized testing has serious issues as it doesn’t factor in most of the picture.

However, performance matters. Classroom performance. Work performance.

Remove competition and no one is ever pushed.

The idea of getting down to a singular individual is flawed—the concept of a valedictorian. As @Out of the Rafters at the Q suggests, that can be dependent on the ease of coursework and be determined by AP classes—of scaling above a 4.0 on a 4.0 scale.

As a former valedictorian, I didn’t care much that I received that distinction in high school—other than that I shared the honor with my best friend which made it memorable. It just happened naturally while trying to learn and perform. It happened while still enjoying athletics and having a personal life. I was a kid. I also cared about getting into college, getting scholarships, moving away—figuring out what I wanted to do in life.

However, all of those things are also competition. Getting into colleges. Scholarships. Applying to majors. Graduate schooling. Medical schooling. Residency programs. Job opportunities. There are never enough seats at the bar for everyone to sit down.

Performance is always going to matter. In education, in careers, in life.

That said, competition isn’t always about beating other people. Sometimes it’s against yourself and against your own expectations and goals. Pushing yourself to be the best you can be is as much channeling a competitive spirit as anything.

So yes, there are plenty of flaws with the current system. However, there must be some form of system. You can’t remove it entirely. There has to be a method for distinguishing the top and the bottom based on performance

Eliminating these items is dangerous. Doing away with valedictorian and salutatorian is one reasonable thing. Latin Honors is a fine system—GPA based and scoring.

We just have to be careful of the slippery slope. Removing competition can have unfortunate consequences.

I fear that we live in a society that is often too afraid to give negative feedback. We don’t want to hurt feelings. The proverbial “kick in the ass” is disappearing. That doesn’t mean we don’t all need it every now and then—just like we like that positive feedback when we’re going above and beyond.

We are also nearing a point in society where we are fearful of too much positive reinforcement as it makes those who didn’t receive it feel worse about themselves. There shouldn’t be a “participation trophy” in the game of life, and it’s perfectly reasonable to acknowledge differences in performance between individuals.
 
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Ok, MODS, you can move this stuff now.

Of course, the first mod to do this will win for being the fastest.
 
I’m happy to respond to this VERY long post and have a discussion about this topic (one I’ve spent decades pondering and finding some semblance of a resolution to), but I have a feeling it wouldn’t be too well received taking up space here—rightfully. If you do care to have the conversation, hit my inbox.


Let me get this straight. You’re saying testing and classroom performance are irrelevant to evaluate?

So, grades don’t matter? A 2.0 performance and a 4.0 performance are the same in predicting someone’s aptitude, work ethic, and desire to meet goals?

It sounds as if you have an issue with grading entirely.

In jobs, why do we do performance evaluations?

Everyone is the same? Doing the best they can without being scored or motivated?

Competition is natural and beneficial. The constant drive to be the best at what you choose to do. The drive to work for it. The drive to make a difference. Self-drive to motivate oneself.

For many of these high school kids, school is the main job at that point in life—learning how to balance it with athletics, side jobs, personal life. Performance opens paths to the next level of learning. A means to a career.

There isn’t a perfect system for measuring some of these items, and sure, standardized testing has serious issues as it doesn’t factor in most of the picture.

However, performance matters. Classroom performance. Work performance.

Remove competition and no one is ever pushed.

The idea of getting down to a singular individual is flawed—the concept of a valedictorian. As @Out of the Rafters at the Q suggests, that can be dependent on the ease of coursework and be determined by AP classes—of scaling above a 4.0 on a 4.0 scale.

As a former valedictorian, I didn’t care much that I received that distinction in high school—other than that I shared the honor with my best friend which made it memorable. It just happened naturally while trying to learn and perform. It happened while still enjoying athletics and having a personal life. I was a kid. I also cared about getting into college, getting scholarships, moving away—figuring out what I wanted to do in life.

However, all of those things are also competition. Getting into colleges. Scholarships. Applying to majors. Graduate schooling. Medical schooling. Residency programs. Job opportunities. There are never enough seats at the bar for everyone to sit down.

Performance is always going to matter. In education, in careers, in life.

That said, competition isn’t always about beating other people. Sometimes it’s against yourself and against your own expectations and goals. Pushing yourself to be the best you can be is as much channeling a competitive spirit as anything.

So yes, there are plenty of flaws with the current system. However, there must be some form of system. You can’t remove it entirely. There has to be a method for distinguishing the top and the bottom based on performance

Eliminating these items is dangerous. Doing away with valedictorian and salutatorian is one reasonable thing. Latin Honors is a fine system—GPA based and scoring.

We just have to be careful of the slippery slope. Removing competition can have unfortunate consequences.

I fear that we live in a society that is often too afraid to give negative feedback. We don’t want to hurt feelings. The proverbial “kick in the ass” is disappearing. That doesn’t mean we don’t all need it every now and then—just like we like that positive feedback when we’re going above and beyond.

We are also nearing a point in society where we are fearful of too much positive reinforcement as it makes those who didn’t receive it feel worse about themselves. There shouldn’t be a “participation trophy” in the game of life, and it’s perfectly reasonable to acknowledge differences in performance between individuals.
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I didn't read the article but the obvious step is that if Mason wants to remove the valedictorian then remove all grades. If the point is to reduce competition then why have grades at all. Turn everything into pass fail.

Edit @MoFlo or @InBoobieWeTrust or whom ever can you turn this into it's own thread
 
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No, let them keep going. It’s a long offseason. It’s inches away from getting political though.
 
Not for nothing, Baker's middle name is Reagan.

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To get this thread somewhat back on topic, Baker wore a badass visor today.

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Look what I picked up today for $100!!

Bake and OBJ boiiiiiii.
 

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