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In the past two days, I've seen two articles about bitcoins, one on cnn warning against them

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/opinion/angel-bitcoin-currency/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

one on usa today hat mostly hyped it, but added this

Skeptics see bitcoin as a fad or, worse, a glorified Ponzi scheme.

They warn that without the backing of a central bank or government, bitcoins are riskier-than-usual investments at the mercy of computer hackers and unregulated markets.

"It's backed by a market, it's not backed by a government," said Julie Heath, director of the University of Cincinnati's Economics Center. "And markets can be wildly unpredictable."

Bitcoins also have been used by money launderers and drug dealers, who appreciate the currency's off-the-grid markets.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/virtual-money-bitcoin-currency-digital/2076143/
 
I want to know how to buy bitcoins without being hacked or something shitty. Where do I start? Like, where is a suitable website to read about how to purchase bitcoins (ideally I want the ability to fund/purchase, but don't yet want to do it)?

I posted a much longer post about what I do with bitcoins and what they're for.. I guess it got lost when I closed the browser window (thought I posted it).. No matter..

You can use the method described on the first page, Western Union, or Moneygram, or you can buy a moneypak and buy BTC with that, which is also anonymous.

Personally, I use bitcoins mostly for 'research and educational purposes,' but they've come in handy since I've started back on Pokerstars. You'll also likely want to look into Liberty Reserve. It's not a currency in the same way as Bitcoin because it's tied to other currencies. The cool thing about Liberty Reserve is that it's somewhat more established and you can easily get a Liberty Reserve ATM card. Liberty Reserve is probably the #1 exchange currency for anonymous bitcoin cashouts.

In essence: You somehow obtain 10 BTC, you then trade those on an exchange (or you could look for a better deal in a trading forum) for whatever USD in Liberty Reserve notes based current exchange rate. You then take your pseudo-anonymous Liberty Reserve VISA Checkcard and withdraw that money at an ATM machine wearing a ski mask at 4:00AM. Now you've got hard cash that is virtually untraceable.

There are tons of things to do with bitcoin. Poker is one of them (really you'll use Skrill mostly, but until you get a Skrill ATM card or if you don't want one, it's a great way to get started). Buying botnets, or 'intrusion' services is another. Buying steroids or methamphetamines (ephedrine) becomes a lot less risky when you realize that if these guys get busted they don't have a database with you credit card number in it.

You can also sell services online, using a traditional payment system that takes credit cards, and receive bitcoin/liberty reserve. People are selling dope, guns, hacking, bots, you name it... There's quite a few services online and in forums that will offer to steal something for you, at your request, and ship it to you. If it can be stolen, they'll steal it for you. Imagine that... :chuckles:

p.s.
As far as getting hacked: use precautions.

Never leave your bitcoin IN bitcoin. Personally, I expect to take a loss on bitcoin due to the nature of the exchange (but recently that obviously hasn't been the case). I don't expect bitcoin itself to generate money, but rather, I look at it as an added expense. That way, I expect that expense to be compensated by the fact that I'm completely anonymous while buying and selling online. Anonymous currency is worth the cost, if you need it. I wouldn't buy a TV with bitcoin. But I might buy a other things.

So with that said, I try to keep most of my 'research' money in USD on a prepaid Wal-Mart card or in Liberty Reserve. You could potentially hack a Liberty Reserve vendor, and clone credit cards, but it's far harder to do than transferring currency from one wallet to another.
 
ive always stayed away from LR, scares the shit out of me. unprotected when dealing with it
 
I posted a much longer post about what I do with bitcoins and what they're for.. I guess it got lost when I closed the browser window (thought I posted it).. No matter..

You can use the method described on the first page, Western Union, or Moneygram, or you can buy a moneypak and buy BTC with that, which is also anonymous.

Personally, I use bitcoins mostly for 'research and educational purposes,' but they've come in handy since I've started back on Pokerstars. You'll also likely want to look into Liberty Reserve. It's not a currency in the same way as Bitcoin because it's tied to other currencies. The cool thing about Liberty Reserve is that it's somewhat more established and you can easily get a Liberty Reserve ATM card. Liberty Reserve is probably the #1 exchange currency for anonymous bitcoin cashouts.

In essence: You somehow obtain 10 BTC, you then trade those on an exchange (or you could look for a better deal in a trading forum) for whatever USD in Liberty Reserve notes based current exchange rate. You then take your pseudo-anonymous Liberty Reserve VISA Checkcard and withdraw that money at an ATM machine wearing a ski mask at 4:00AM. Now you've got hard cash that is virtually untraceable.

There are tons of things to do with bitcoin. Poker is one of them (really you'll use Skrill mostly, but until you get a Skrill ATM card or if you don't want one, it's a great way to get started). Buying botnets, or 'intrusion' services is another. Buying steroids or methamphetamines (ephedrine) becomes a lot less risky when you realize that if these guys get busted they don't have a database with you credit card number in it.

You can also sell services online, using a traditional payment system that takes credit cards, and receive bitcoin/liberty reserve. People are selling dope, guns, hacking, bots, you name it... There's quite a few services online and in forums that will offer to steal something for you, at your request, and ship it to you. If it can be stolen, they'll steal it for you. Imagine that... :chuckles:

p.s.
As far as getting hacked: use precautions.

Never leave your bitcoin IN bitcoin. Personally, I expect to take a loss on bitcoin due to the nature of the exchange (but recently that obviously hasn't been the case). I don't expect bitcoin itself to generate money, but rather, I look at it as an added expense. That way, I expect that expense to be compensated by the fact that I'm completely anonymous while buying and selling online. Anonymous currency is worth the cost, if you need it. I wouldn't buy a TV with bitcoin. But I might buy a other things.

So with that said, I try to keep most of my 'research' money in USD on a prepaid Wal-Mart card or in Liberty Reserve. You could potentially hack a Liberty Reserve vendor, and clone credit cards, but it's far harder to do than transferring currency from one wallet to another.

I can't decide whether persuing BTC is a stupid idea or not. In an ideal world (let me know if this is possible), I set up an account that I can instantly fund if I want to, and then if/when there's another European blow-up or some other bank goes the way or the dinasaur or the US starts implementing capital controls/taxation that I feel is too restrictive, or I have to move out of the country (long shot but if I feel our government is becoming oppresive/totalitarian, I might), etc. etc., then I will have a leg up in trying to figure this shit out... The most likely scenario is that I want to speculate on currency exchange rates. I just don't want to spend the time/effort to learn how to do it, then do it, then end of having my world hacked.
 
I can't decide whether persuing BTC is a stupid idea or not. In an ideal world (let me know if this is possible), I set up an account that I can instantly fund if I want to, and then if/when there's another European blow-up or some other bank goes the way or the dinasaur or the US starts implementing capital controls/taxation that I feel is too restrictive, or I have to move out of the country (long shot but if I feel our government is becoming oppresive/totalitarian, I might), etc. etc., then I will have a leg up in trying to figure this shit out... The most likely scenario is that I want to speculate on currency exchange rates. I just don't want to spend the time/effort to learn how to do it, then do it, then end of having my world hacked.

I would just suggest getting your feet wet. If you want a bitcoin wallet so that you have a rainy day fund in case you murder someone and need cash fast, then honestly, that's not a bad idea - I also think about what I might need to do in certain situations.

You can start off with less than 1 BTC, just keep that in mind, BTC is highly fractional, so you can exchange 0.0045 BTC.

Now if you're looking to start trading and making money, people have been making shit loads of money from BTC recently due to a myriad of reasons, primarily related to the economy. I would've thought BTC would've topped out when it hit $70 USD, but it's floating around $120 right now.. So that you know, the last time I bought BTC with cash, it was ~$15, and that was only a few months ago. That's an 8x increase in value in just a few months. If you had $5,000 USD in bitcoin (333.333 BTC) around, IIRC, December/January that same ~333 BTC would be worth $40,000 right now.

In fact, when I first wrote my initial post, the avg closing value on Mt.Gox was $120USD/1BTC. It's closed today (24 hours later) at $125USD/1BTC. Thats a 4% increase in value in 1 day. So you can make money from bitcoin.. Just understand how to get in and out and not leave your money in BTC.. Personally, I'm not much of a trader, but if I wanted to play around and had the time, I'd probably have some fun with bitcoin and see what I could do.. I wouldn't try to feed my family, but maybe turn a quick buck? Why not?
 
Almost Half a Billion Worth of Bitcoins Vanish

Mt. Gox Says It Lost 750,000 of Customers' Bitcoin to Fraud

By ROBIN SIDEL, ELEANOR WARNOCK and TAKASHI MOCHIZUKI
Updated Feb. 28, 2014 7:16 p.m. ET

Mt. Gox, once the dominant exchange for bitcoin trading, on Friday said more than $470 million of the virtual currency vanished from its digital coffers, kicking into high gear a search for the missing money by victims and cybersleuths.

Acting alone and in groups, the people stepped up their efforts after Mt. Gox filed for bankruptcy protection in Japan and confirmed rumors it had lost almost 750,000 of its customers' bitcoins, as well as roughly 100,000 of its own.

Mt. Gox Chief Executive Mark Karpelès said technical issues had opened the way for fraudulent withdrawals, though he didn't provide details.

"There was some weakness in the system, and the bitcoins have disappeared. I apologize for causing trouble," Mr. Karpelès said at a packed news conference at a Tokyo courthouse after the bankruptcy filing.

The disappearance underscores the risks of currencies that exist only online and aren't backed by a central bank. Mt. Gox wasn't overseen by national regulators, so there is no entity to step in and back investors' deposits.

It wasn't clear whether or how the missing bitcoins would be found. Bitcoin's underlying software code, known in developer circles as "the protocol," is believed to keep track of every transaction using a special marker that can be traced via an online ledger.

Unlike cash, which might be difficult to track if it is stolen from a bank vault and then widely dispersed, bitcoin transactions are logged in the ledger, which essentially can be accessed by anyone with a computer.

Some computing experts believed any hackers might be capable of covering the tracks of a potential computer break-in. But if each bitcoin has a marker, it would make it more difficult for thieves to try to convert a big stash into another currency, in the same way it would be difficult for an art thief to pawn off a pilfered Matisse painting quickly.

Those factors are giving hope to the wave of Mt. Gox victims and treasure hunters who have fanned out in search of the missing bitcoins. The virtual currency that disappeared represents nearly 7% of all bitcoins in circulation.

Devon Weller, a 40-year-old freelance Web developer in Nashville who said he had a "small amount" of bitcoins stashed at Mt. Gox, tossed aside his regular work Friday morning to start looking for missing bitcoins. He tapped into the public ledger from his home office and started following the trail of large transactions.

"I haven't gotten very far, but it's one of those things that is going to eat away at me," said Mr. Weller.

The exchange's bankruptcy filing capped a tumultuous stretch for the five-year virtual currency. One bitcoin traded at about $549 late Friday, based on the CoinDesk price index of two leading exchanges. The value of a bitcoin started 2013 at about $13, soared above $1,100 in December and has since lost about half its value.

The price swings have hit some investors hard. Fortress Investment Group LLC on Friday recorded an unrealized loss of $3.7 million from its purchase of $20 million worth of bitcoins last year. The asset-management firm held $16.3 million worth of bitcoins at the end of 2013, according to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Mt. Gox halted customer withdrawals three weeks ago, saying a "bug in the bitcoin software" allowed some users to alter the ID on transactions and fraudulently claim that bitcoin transfers hadn't been sent. Other exchanges also had problems but were able to provide patches so activity could resume.

Mt. Gox didn't recover, and it shut down operations Tuesday.

The defunct exchange is the target of an investigation by the U.S. attorney's office for the Southern District of New York. The scope of the probe isn't clear, but prosecutors have subpoenaed the company, ordering it to preserve certain documents, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Mt. Gox also faces lawsuits from customers. On Thursday, a customer who claims to have $25,000 worth of bitcoins tied up at Mt. Gox filed a lawsuit seeking class-action status against the exchange. Gregory Greene, who filed the claim with an Illinois District Court, is seeking damages, an injunction, restitution and other remedies.

The claim alleges that Mt. Gox, its holding company and Mr. Karpelès are guilty of consumer fraud by engaging in "unlawful, deceptive, and unfair conduct that is immoral, unscrupulous, and causes substantial injury to consumers." It claims Mt. Gox falsely represented to its customers that it would "protect their bitcoins and fiat currency and safely and quickly allow them to buy, sell, trade, or withdraw the same at any time."

The company didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Because Mt. Gox was unregulated, customers might not have much recourse unless they hunt down missing bitcoins on their own. By contrast, customers of MF Global Inc., a regulated brokerage, have nearly been made whole after they lost an estimated $1.6 billion in its 2011 collapse. U.S. customers who traded on U.S. exchanges have received about 98% of their funds, while U.S. customers who traded on foreign exchanges have received about 78%.

Federal regulators have encouraged bitcoin companies to follow money-laundering rules, but beyond that have generally been silent on whether they have legal authority to regulate companies like Mt. Gox in the future or set up rules that would protect bitcoin users. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission have held meetings in recent weeks to study the issue.

Market regulators including the SEC are still evaluating whether bitcoin falls under their jurisdiction. Agencies that oversee banks and payment systems are monitoring bitcoin, but Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen said this past week that the Fed has no authority to regulate the virtual currency as long as it "doesn't touch" banks the Fed oversees.

Bitcoin enthusiasts are teaming up to pursue the cybertrail of the missing cash. Among them is Charles Shrem, a prominent bitcoin advocate and entrepreneur who was arrested in January and charged with money-laundering in connection with his bitcoin company.

Mr. Shrem, who worked with four others, said they might have discovered 90,000 of the missing bitcoins that still appear to be in the Mt. Gox coffers, despite the exchange's claim that the money is gone. He added, however, that it is a working theory and still speculative.

"We did it for the community," said Mr. Shrem, who is under house arrest and has pleaded not guilty.

Gavin Andresen, chief scientist for the Bitcoin Foundation, a trade group, isn't hopeful that amateur sleuthing will turn up the missing bitcoins. The best results, he says, might come from a far more traditional source.

"I wouldn't be surprised, if there is a theft involved here, that eventually law enforcement does figure out, using the subpoena powers, where the bitcoins went," he said.

But Adam B. Levine, who worked with Mr. Shrem, said he is optimistic. "There's lots of threads to follow, and if you start pulling on one thread, it exposes another, and eventually you start building a map," he said.

Mr. Levine, a writer at Letstalkbitcoin.com and a self-taught bitcoin sleuth, said his team formed its plan during "a 36-hour Skype call."

He was supposed to appear at a conference on March 6 but has decided to cancel his appearance.

"I should been preparing to give my speeches," he said, "but this thing is taking all day."

—Michael Casey, Neelabh Chaturvedi and Ryan Tracy contributed to this article.
 
Ya, silk road 2 got ripped off (people say its the people who built the silk road 2). Bitcoin plummetted from 800 per bc down to 550.

btw, converting bitcoin might be a good type of day trader job
 
Magic The Gathering Online Exchange. Seems like a good place to stash cash.
 
Watching "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin" on Amazon Prime.

It's been a while since anyone has posted in here. Anyone using it, trading it, making money off it? @gourimoko @natedagg

Any thoughts on the the future of it?
 
Watching "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin" on Amazon Prime.

It's been a while since anyone has posted in here. Anyone using it, trading it, making money off it? @gourimoko @natedagg

Any thoughts on the the future of it?

Bitcoin is great.. I still use it for work purposes (anonymous transactions). I think the concept of crypto-currency is fantastic. However, quantum computers, from the other thread, completely break Bitcoin and all crypto-currencies not quantum-safe. So the future, I think, is limited to the next decade or so.

With that said, there is a future for something like Bitcoin, but it just won't be Bitcoin.
 
Watching "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin" on Amazon Prime.

It's been a while since anyone has posted in here. Anyone using it, trading it, making money off it? @gourimoko @natedagg

Any thoughts on the the future of it?

I am interested and own none. I don't understand it completely, and now Gour told me that google has rendered it useless.

But really, I love the idea of a portable international bank so might get some. I think the best idea is to sell bitcoin services to rich people and get it all set up for them for a 5% fee. I might do it just so that I can charge olds when I help them with it, but Max I will hook you up for the low price of floor seats, once I understand it.
 
Use it all the time and it's a pain in the ass
 
I am interested and own none. I don't understand it completely, and now Gour told me that google has rendered it useless.

Let's not jump the gun.. Google has rendered the long-term viability of Bitcoin useless, yes, but we're quite a ways (5-15 years) before that happens.. But, hell, it could happen tomorrow..
 

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