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Bowe Bergdahl freed by Taliban after five years of captivity

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Get us the fuck out of these countries...

There was no preventing what is happening in Iraq now. This was always the end game unless we stayed there forever. This is all BS. Throw this guy in prison and let these countries figure shit out on their own.

There was never a real military answer for Iraq and Afghanistan...especially Iraq.

I'm not sure what this administration is thinking but they are looking incompetent right now.
 
It was frightening to be in the military from right before the wars began and to watch the decline. There is always a chunk of the military that are rocks but you just make sure they are not concentrated in any single unit. Once you get them spread out you just make them clean stuff a lot, extra mess duty or push papers. It wasn't even just aspies, you had more gangbangers, druggies and white supremacist. I guess they stopped checking the tattoos or something around 2005.

They had to lower the standards because no one wanted to join at the time. It was right about the time that Insurgents were getting prefficient with IEDs and EFPs and troops were getting killed daily. The Army was missing its recruiting goals nation wide. So they let some shitty people in and the army is paying for it now(and also addressing it now) because they are plagued to some degree with these people in leadership positions.
 
Do we really need a guy living in this country that spells the word situation as "cittuwation"?

And if you answer that with a yes, then you're probably ok with spelling circumstance "circomestance."

Man, fuck this guy...

I was totally about to post this.

Holy fuck.
 
Fun fact: The guy who is the head of ISIS -- the radical group currently taking over Iraq -- , was previously captured by the U.S. and held as a prisoner in Iraq. We just...let him go in 2009.

Probably one we'd like to have back.

Yeah but dude, there's no reason to believe the 5 they let go would do the same thing. It's not like terrorists generally carry the exact same mentalities throughout their entire lives or anything.

They probably love and respect America after their experiences at Gitmo.
 
Honestly, is anyone surprised?

Withdrawing completely from Iraq left a gigantic vacuum that has gradually collapsed in on itself. Even when we were in the months leading up to our departure, you could tell the country was already slipping back into complete and utter chaos. The government there wasn't strong enough then and they sure as hell aren't strong enough now. The Iraqi army is nothing but a bunch of giant fucking pussies, too. 30,000 of them up and ran from 800 militants. Superior equipment and years of training from the greatest military power in the world... and this is what happens. They are simply not willing to make a stand for their country and keep those militants away for good. Mosul has fallen, Tikrit has fallen, and it's only a matter of time before they retake Baghdad, too. As it stands now, they've taken towns within an hour of driving distance from the city.

Instead, Iran, their mortal enemy, is going to come in and save the day. Fucking Iran, of all countries, is going to step in and attempt to help that pathetic government and security force drive ISIS out. Obviously they stand to benefit plenty from helping out in Iraq, but still... fucking Iran.

Pretty wild to think that Iran is a shining beacon in the Middle East right now and might be the only thing delaying the complete and total collapse of the Iraqi government until the US inevitably steps in and provides some type of air support or strategic, surgical military intervention. We would try to equip them with the best weapons money can buy... but the ones who have fled have already driven the price of firearms in that region way down because of how quickly they have turned around and sold their weapons.

The exact same thing is going to happen in Afghanistan. The ANA is a fucking joke and a good portion of them are just the Taliban in disguise anyway. Already, supposed green zones like Kabul and Kandahar are beginning to heat up once again. The Taliban and other extremist groups got a morale boost from the Bergdahl trade and you know they are just biding their time and making preparations for their spring offensive in 2015, after the bulk of the US presence is gone and only 9,800 troops remain. It's not going to be long until the Taliban retake complete control of that country. Hell, it's already come out that there are elements within the current Afghan government that are in contact with the Pakistan Taliban over the power shift that's going to occur once we withdraw at the end of the year.
 
So from this page i'm getting a " Iraq/Afghanistan is a giant mess (no mention of accepting any fault) but we still shouldn't have let 5 prisoners walk for one American because reasons" vibe.

Keep up the strong work, sense of scale be damned.
 
They had to lower the standards because no one wanted to join at the time. It was right about the time that Insurgents were getting prefficient with IEDs and EFPs and troops were getting killed daily. The Army was missing its recruiting goals nation wide. So they let some shitty people in and the army is paying for it now(and also addressing it now) because they are plagued to some degree with these people in leadership positions.

First, the bold part is wrong. The recession of 2008 fixed all of that over the course of ~2 years (which is both horribly depressing and somewhat amusing).

Second, why would you try and explain a concept to me that I am already aware of given the content of the very comment you were responding to?
 
So from this page i'm getting a " Iraq/Afghanistan is a giant mess (no mention of accepting any fault) but we still shouldn't have let 5 prisoners walk for one American because reasons" vibe.

Keep up the strong work, sense of scale be damned.

First, the Bergdahl trade happened before the Iraq collapse story broke. So "sense of scale" doesn't really apply in terms of how they were discussed here.

Second, what happened in Iraq just emphasizes what a bad idea that trade was. Iraq has fallen apart after we left, and that is acknowledged to be a Very Bad Thing even though we no longer have troops there. With Bergdahl, we dumped out 5 senior Taliban officers who our former Secretary of State said were a threat to Afghanistan and Pakistan, but not the U.S. Great. So by releasing those five guys, we've just made it even more likely that Afghanistan will follow the post-withdrawal pattern that we now see in Iraq.

As for "no discussion of fault", feel free to rehash arguments from 10 years ago if you want. But these current events, and the action we are taking or not taking, are happening right now.
 
First, the Bergdahl trade happened before the Iraq collapse story broke. So "sense of scale" doesn't really apply in terms of how they were discussed here.

Second, what happened in Iraq just emphasizes what a bad idea that trade was. Iraq has fallen apart after we left, and that is acknowledged to be a Very Bad Thing even though we no longer have troops there. With Bergdahl, we dumped out 5 senior Taliban officers who our former Secretary of State said were a threat to Afghanistan and Pakistan, but not the U.S. Great. So by releasing those five guys, we've just made it even more likely that Afghanistan will follow the post-withdrawal pattern that we now see in Iraq.

As for "no discussion of fault", feel free to rehash arguments from 10 years ago if you want. But these current events, and the action we are taking or not taking, are happening right now.

That's not even mentioning that the ISIS leader was sprung loose by us after we had him in custody, too.
 
That's not even mentioning that the ISIS leader was sprung loose by us after we had him in custody, too.

Remarkable how little attention that fact is getting.
 
First, the bold part is wrong. The recession of 2008 fixed all of that over the course of ~2 years (which is both horribly depressing and somewhat amusing).

Second, why would you try and explain a concept to me that I am already aware of given the content of the very comment you were responding to?

K thanks
 
Its Obvious that Isis was given the green light in Iraq to distract Americans from the ral story here.. and That is the pakistan vs afghanistan Taliban you fight your war here no there dispute.

Next season's Archer has some explaining to do but at least im not racist and thnking that it is no surprise gang wars are breaking out everywhere across the globe correlates with having a Black president
 
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Its Obvious that Isis was given the green light in Iraq to distract Americans from the ral story here.. and That is the pakistan vs afghanistan Taliban you fight your war here no there dispute.

Next season's Archer has some explaining to do but at least im not racist and thnking that it is no surprise gang wars are breaking out everywhere across the globe correlates with having a Black president

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Congress is holding a hearing on the Bergdahl deal, and some of the folks testifying are those who served with him. Not very positive stuff.

Bergdahl deal scrutinized at congressional hearing


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CNN's Laura Koran

(CNN) - Emotions ran high Wednesday at a hearing on Capitol Hill to examine the circumstances surrounding Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's capture by the Taliban in 2009 and the deal that led to his release in late May. Bergdahl was captured after he walked off his base in Afghanistan's Paktika province, and several of his former platoon-mates have since accused Bergdahl of desertion and endangering the lives of his comrades.

Spc. Cody Full, who was Bergdahl's roommate before their deployment and served closely with him at the base, said at the hearing that he has no doubt Bergdahl deserted and that the desertion was pre-meditated.

"Knowing that someone you needed to trust deserted you in war and did so on his own free will is the ultimate betrayal," Full told members of two subcommittees of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

Mike Waltz, who commanded an Army Special Forces unit in eastern Afghanistan when Bergdahl was captured, told subcommittee members that all military resources in that part of the country were redirected to search for Bergdahl and that the Taliban capitalized on that effort to launch attacks.

"They began feeding false information into our informant network in order to lure our forces into a trap," Waltz said.

Waltz, who is now a senior national security fellow with the New America Foundation, added that if "someone was killed during that specific amount of time, unless they tripped and hit their head on the way to the mess hall, they were out looking for Sgt. Bergdahl."

Members of Bergdahl's former platoon have said at least six soldiers were killed searching for him, including 2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews, whose father Andy Andrews also testified at Wednesday's hearing.

"Exactly why did my son die?" Andrews asked. "Tell me one more time because I don't know what we've accomplished."

Darryn Andrews was killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack while his unit was attempting to recover a disabled vehicle. Another soldier, Pfc. Matthew Martinek, was also killed in the attack. Andrews was posthumously awarded the Silver Star for his actions in that attack, which are credited with having saved the lives of several fellow soldiers.

The military told Andrews' parents their son was killed searching for a high-ranking Taliban commander. Andy Andrews insists "Bergdahl was never mentioned."

But since the POW's release, he said, six soldiers have approached the family with the revelation their son was actually searching for Bergdahl when he died.

The military has not confirmed this version of events, and at a hearing last week, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said he had seen "no evidence that directly links any American combat death to the rescue or finding or search of Sergeant Bergdahl."

Bergdahl was freed in exchange for five Taliban leaders previously held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Administration officials have defended that deal despite criticisms that the exchange was lopsided and that Congress was not consulted....

In perhaps the most poignant moment of the hearing, Rep. Randy Weber, R-Texas, asked Andy Andrews whether, given the option, he would be willing to trade five senior Taliban leaders to have his son back.

"If my son had been a deserter, then no," Andrews said. "Absolutely not."

"But my son was a man of honor," he continued, fighting back tears, "and I would do almost anything."
 
A little old but I haven't heard this issue discussed in here...

http:// http://www.newsweek.com/did-6-soldiers-really-die-looking-bergdahl-253917
Did 6 Soldiers Really Die Looking for Bergdahl?

WASHINGTON/KABUL (Reuters) - The frantic search for Bowe Bergdahl began the moment his comrades discovered he was no longer inside the fragile outpost in a rock-strewn valley in one of the most hostile corners of Afghanistan.

Exactly why Bergdahl left is subject to intense scrutiny. But accounts by two Taliban sources as well as several U.S. officials and fellow soldiers raise doubt over media reports that he had sought to join the Taliban, and over suggestions that the deaths later that year of six soldiers in his battalion were related to the search for him.

His dramatic release on May 31 after five years in captivity in return for five Taliban commanders sparked a national controversy over whether President Barack Obama paid too high a price for his freedom. That was fueled by allegations by some in his battalion that he was a deserter, and that soldiers died because they were looking for him after his disappearance in the early hours of June 30, 2009.*

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While many questions remain, a Reuters reconstruction of his disappearance indicates that at the time when Bergdahl’s six comrades in the 1st Battalion of the 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment were killed in August and September 2009, his fallen comrades were on other missions like securing the Afghan elections and, according to one U.S. military official, the period of intensive ground searches had already ended. **

But several soldiers in his unit say the quest to locate him never really ended, and that it was an element of every mission they undertook, prompting some to blame the deaths on him.

* * The U.S. Army has declined to give an account of those fraught weeks saying a new investigation will be conducted when Bergdahl, now being treated at a U.S. military hospital in Germany, is able to take part.

* * An initial investigation noted that Bergdahl had slipped away from his base in the past, once during training in California, only to return a short while later, according to people familiar with its classified findings. * *

* * His disappearance in June 2009 came at a time of increasing attacks on U.S. forces from a resurgent Taliban: there were nearly 200 U.S. combat deaths in Afghanistan between the time of his disappearance and the end of 2009.

* * He had been on guard duty in one of the armored trucks parked in a circle on a dry riverbed to form a crude outpost in one of the most hostile corners of Afghanistan, in Paktika province along the border with Pakistan, according to several of his fellow soldiers.

* * They described him as a bookish loner who would rather learn Pashto than drink beer. Bergdahl, they said, had few close friends in the unit. "He definitely was very reserved, an introvert," said former Sergeant Matt Vierkant, a team leader in Bergdahl's platoon.

* * At roll call that morning, it became quickly apparent that he was missing - though his gun, ammunition and body armor had been left behind.

* * MISSING-PERSON REPORT

* * After searching the trucks, latrines, bunkers and quarters of Afghan National Police stationed with them, the platoon radioed in a missing-person report and immediately set out to search for him. Within two and a half hours, infantry units had fanned out to set up roadblocks and search nearby villages.

* * The area was tense. Three days earlier, Pakistani warplanes had launched a new offensive against the Taliban just across the border in South Waziristan, killing at least a dozen Taliban fighters in a rugged region known for heavily armed tribesmen and camps harboring al Qaeda and Taliban leaders.

* * As the search got under way, Vierkant, Bergdahl's fellow platoon member, encountered two village children who said they had seen an American in Army clothes crawling through the weeds.

* * At about 2:30 p.m., a U.S. listening post picked up radio chatter indicating that an American soldier with a camera was looking for someone who could speak English, according to U.S. military records published by anti-secrecy group Wikileaks. Three hours later, they heard a U.S. soldier had been captured.

* * Taliban sources say they found Bergdahl walking alone after receiving a tip from local villagers.

* * "Our people didn't understand what he was saying at first because they don’t speak English. But later when they took him to a safe location, we realized that he wasn't happy with his people and that's why he left them," a Taliban commander based in the Pakistani city of Quetta told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

* *The next night, Afghan National Police at the outpost where Bergdahl had disappeared received a radio call from the Taliban saying they wanted to trade 15 prisoners for the American, the military reports said.

* * Four days after that, the Army received a tantalizing tip - Bergdahl had been spotted in a black Toyota Corolla, flanked by men on motorcycles. He was wearing dark khaki clothing with a bag over his head.

* * That was the closest they would get for another five years.

* * Taliban fighters moved Bergdahl to Angoor Adda, a border town between South Waziristan in Pakistan and Afghanistan's Paktika province. He was then taken to South Waziristan and later to the Shawal valley, a forested, mountainous area between North and South Waziristan, a Taliban commander based in Helmand province told Reuters. *

* * Bergdahl did not show any interest in converting to Islam or joining the Taliban during those early weeks of his captivity, the commander said. *

* * "We didn't trust him as he could have been a spy. There were frequent drone strikes in the tribal areas and that's why we were afraid of him," he said.

* * Bergdahl has told U.S. authorities he was held in solitary confinement for long periods. The New York Times reported that he told medical officials in Germany he was kept in a metal cage in the dark for weeks after he tried to escape. [ID:nL2N0OP02F]

* * FRANTIC GROUND SEARCH

* * Bergdahl's regiment searched for him at a frantic pace for several weeks. Where before troops might have had several days of down time to recharge between missions, now they would only return to their base for four to six hours - just enough time to gather more equipment and take a shower. Then it was back to the desert for another mission.

* * "When he walked off, everything changed throughout the whole province of Paktika. The mission for us and for everybody else was find Bergdahl as fast as you can," Vierkant said.

* * Soldiers had to cope with temperatures that regularly climbed above 100 degrees Farenheit (38 C) and fine sand - known as "moon dust" - that worked its way into eyes, ears, and lungs, causing respiratory infections.

* * "It looked like I walked through a big bag of baby powder," said former Specialist Billy Rentiers, who participated in the search as part of Easy Company, a support unit in the 501st regiment.

* * The increased number of missions at that time left troops vulnerable to attack more often, forcing them to step beyond the security of their outposts into hostile terrain, said several soldiers involved in the search.

* * Ambushes appeared to become more frequent and sophisticated during this time, the soldiers said.

* * In mid-July, military officials called off the dedicated ground search and gave soldiers other primary missions after concluding that Bergdahl had been taken to Pakistan, according to a U.S. military official speaking on condition of anonymity. The official said some Bergdahl-related surveillance continued for about another month, and soldiers were also told to keep an eye out and to ask about Bergdahl while carrying out primary missions.

* * CASUALTIES BEGAN

* * It was in mid-August that the battalion, still in Paktika province, started taking casualties. On Aug. 18, a roadside bomb killed Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, 29, and Private First Class Morris Walker, 23.

* * Bowen's mother, Reesa Doebbler, says she was told by her son's former comrades that he was on a mission to provide election security, an account confirmed by other sources, including a U.S. military official. Reuters was unable to contact Walker's family.

Staff Sergeant Michael Murphrey, 25, died on Sept. 6 while setting up a security camp after a day spent distributing humanitarian aid, said Jack Kessna, a former member of Bergdahl's Blackfoot Company who has worked with other former soldiers to determine the cause of the deaths. Kessna said Murphrey's death could not be linked directly to the search.

* * Murphrey's sister, Krisa, said she was never given official information about his mission after his death and had to rely on accounts by her brother's comrades.

* * "Some say that he was not on a rescue mission, that he was on a humanitarian mission. And then some say that, sure it wasn’t a rescue mission, per se, but Bergdahl was always the secondary mission," she told Reuters.

* * Staff Sergeant Kurt Curtiss, 27, was shot on Aug. 26 while his unit was supporting Afghan security forces during an enemy attack. Reuters was not able to contact Curtiss' family.

* * On Sept. 4, Second Lieutenant Darryn Andrews, 34, died when enemy forces attacked his vehicle with a roadside bomb and a rocket-propelled grenade. Private First Class Matthew Martinek, 20, died a week later from wounds sustained in the same attack. The parents of both Andrews and Martinek told Reuters last week they believe their sons died searching for Bergdahl, saying they were told this by other soldiers in the platoon.

* * Former Private First Class Jose Baggett, who normally sat next to Andrews on every mission as driver and radio telephone operator, had been injured when a roadside bomb hit his truck on a previous mission. Martinek took his place.

* * "I even remember helping him pack his gear for the mission," Baggett said. "Worst day of my life to date."*

* *Baggett says he doesn't think the death of the two soldiers, or anybody else, can be directly linked to the search. Even if Bergdahl had not walked off, the battalion still could have taken casualties during its 12-month tour of Afghanistan, he says.

* * A U.S. military official said that, like the other casualties, the two men were not engaged in a search for Bergdahl but were on a logistics mission.

* * Vierkant believes otherwise.

"It was what every mission was, every day: find Bergdahl," he said.
 

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