Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

[MirORich]

Yeah, but, that doesn't really matter..



Exactly.

I'd expect Haywood to be traded on draft night.

Come on man, you're slipping...........could of stretched that out to at least 6-7 quotes.
Although, that's where my overusage of long run on sentences helps me out. Without the natural stop points of the 'period' and separate sentences, I'm highly resistant to multi quotes.

But, still, you can't really stop the multi quotes with Gour, you can only hope to contain them.

 

[Danny Arison]

So the Cavs are probably gonna give up their pick? I really likes the players projected at 24 though.
giving the 2016 draft pick and the Miami kinda hurts now.. could have hauled a really great asset for 2 picks.

 

[MirORich]

So the Cavs are probably gonna give up their pick? I really likes the players projected at 24 though.
giving the 2016 draft pick and the Miami kinda hurts now.. could have hauled a really great asset for 2 picks.

Did we give up the Miami pick?

I seem to recall we traded it as part of the package to acquire Kevin Love.

 

[gourimoko]

Come on man, you're slipping...........could of stretched that out to at least 6-7 quotes.
Although, that's where my overusage of long run on sentences helps me out. Without the natural stop points of the 'period' and separate sentences, I'm highly resistant to multi quotes.

But, still, you can't really stop the multi quotes with Gour, you can only hope to contain them.

I didn't have much to say, lol.. You pretty much answered the point!

But I do think draft night will be interesting for the Cavs.

 

[Danny Arison]

Did we give up the Miami pick?

I seem to recall we traded it as part of the package to acquire Kevin Love.

Yeah well, most of the fans think it wasn't required or believe so even if we don't have the details.
still, I believe the Cavs could have saved these two picks for now..

 

[gourimoko]

Yeah well, most of the fans think it wasn't required or believe so even if we don't have the details.
still, I believe the Cavs could have saved these two picks for now..

We shitted away a lot of picks. Lots of Griffin's trades were considered overpays at the time. But nothing we can do about that now.

Regardless, now is definitely the time to trade picks for veteran talent.

 

[MirORich]

Yeah well, most of the fans think it wasn't required or believe so even if we don't have the details.
still, I believe the Cavs could have saved these two picks for now..

If it wasn't "required" it wouldn't have been included. They don't just give away picks on a lark. If the deal could have been made without the pick being included, it would have.

 

[col63onel]

Yep, you're right. So we don't actually need to wait, we can trade Haywood on draft night as his salary would be $10M+, and we'd have made the pick.

We'd agree to the deal on draft night and it would be reported as done, but technically would have to wait until July to actually do it. But it's a technicality. If you went around saying "We traded Haywood on draft night" any argument against that would be semantics.

 

[MirORich]

I highly doubt we could get Mayo for Haywood. They aren't looking to dump talent for space.

Here's why I think we actually could make a legit play for either Mayo or a Bayless.

The Bucks have new ownership that is aggressive and does not think in the small market paradigm. They have a head coach in Kidd who is familiar with a lot of players who are free agents and has their respect.

They are also set to sign Khris Middleton to an extension as soon as Free Agency opens. Its going to be for a high number, somewhere between 10-14 million per year.

They're not going to want to stop there. They're supposedly targeting Brooke Lopez and DeAndre Jordan in FA. But after re-signing Middleton, they'll need to move out another 8-10 million in salary to have room to make a MAX offer for Lopez or Jordan.

Look at their PG/SG/SF group: MCW, Ennis, Bayless, Mayo, Middleton, Parker, Dudley, Giannis even. That's pretty crowded and pretty versatile

So I think that one of Mayo or Bayless is gettable and the Haywood contract would be perfect for Milwaukee because it could either create pure salary cap space that they could use to sign a MAX player or be used in a S&T to make salaries match for a MAX.

Mayo and Bayless both seem to fit what we're looking for in our quest to add quality depth. Both 26-27. Both guys who can score well and are decent at making plays for each other.

Not saying it's going to happen, but I think there is reason for the Cavs to engage the Bucks in it.

Edit: Another wrinkle to this. I failed to account for both the players they took on for Ilyasova are on non guaranteed contacts and will likely be waived. That will push them to 23 million in cap space before the Middleton extension. If they can convince Middleton to not sign an offer sheet with another team, his cap hold is just 2.7 million, allowing the Bucks plenty of space to try and sign Lopez or Jordan first at the max and then do a new deal for Middleton with his bird rights. Still think the glut of PGs/Wings that they have could lead to either Mayo or Bayless being available

 

[Snarly]

Here's why I think we actually could make a legit play for either Mayo or a Bayless.

The Bucks have new ownership that is aggressive and does not think in the small market paradigm. They have a head coach in Kidd who is familiar with a lot of players who are free agents and has their respect.

They are also set to sign Khris Middleton to an extension as soon as Free Agency opens. Its going to be for a high number, somewhere between 10-14 million per year.

They're not going to want to stop there. They're supposedly targeting Brooke Lopez and DeAndre Jordan in FA. But after re-signing Middleton, they'll need to move out another 8-10 million in salary to have room to make a MAX offer for Lopez or Jordan.

Look at their PG/SG/SF group: MCW, Ennis, Bayless, Mayo, Middleton, Parker, Dudley, Giannis even. That's pretty crowded and pretty versatile

So I think that one of Mayo or Bayless is gettable and the Haywood contract would be perfect for Milwaukee because it could either create pure salary cap space that they could use to sign a MAX player or be used in a S&T to make salaries match for a MAX.

Mayo and Bayless both seem to fit what we're looking for in our quest to add quality depth. Both 26-27. Both guys who can score well and are decent at making plays for each other.

Not saying it's going to happen, but I think there is reason for the Cavs to engage the Bucks in it.

Wow... I hope you are right if we end up with Mayo on this team. He is th perfect under the radar good to underrated player this team could use. Better yet we could have the Delly Mayo jam Sandwich.

 

[Walter White]

I dont want Bayless. He was a dick to me on Facebook when i tried to convince him to join Arizona and team up with Jennings (when I thought he was going there) when he was in high school

 

[MirORich]

Wow... I hope you are right if we end up with Mayo on this team. He is th perfect under the radar good to underrated player this team could use. Better yet we could have the Delly Mayo jam Sandwich.

Just seems like an opportunity to pursue. I would have no way of knowing if its on the Cavs radar or how seriously the Bucks would look at it. I would assume we'd have to include our pick for either of those guys, based on their age and talent.

MCW, Bayless, Ennis, Mayo, Dudley, Middleton, Parker, Giannis just seems like 1-2 players too many the PG/Wing minutes. But perhaps the Bucks just find a taker for Dudley and Ennis and make the minutes work for the other 6 guys.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I'm sorry, but where does Mayo get minutes with JR and Shump both most likely back? Not so sure he can give you effective minutes at PG running the offense or guarding other PGs, either, so who does he take minutes from?

Much rather go for a forward who can play both SF and PF in a small lineup (think Wilson Chandler) to ease the minutes LeBron sees or grab another quality big.

 

[priceFTW]

Mayo: -.71 ORPM (48th out of 101 SGs), -.66 DRPM (47th out of 101 SGs).
38.6% on wide open threes, 39.5% on open threes. Shot a hefty 43.7% on corner threes. Very good three point defender (players shot 29.9% against him and 34.8% against everyone else). As the primary ball handler defender, he gives up .79 PPP, bottom 47% in the league. As the ball handler, he produces .74 PPP, good for top 50% in the league. He doesn't do well in ISO as he produces .68 PPP, which is bottom 27% in the league. Bucks were 4.4 points per 100 possessions worse with him on court (-1.6 on offense and -2.8 on defense).

Bayless: -2.36 ORPM (75th out of 84 PGs), -.52 DRPM (32nd out of 84 PGs).
30.5% on wide open threes, 32.6% on open threes. Shot only 27.5% on corner threes. Very good three point defender (players shot 29.2% against him and 34.2% against everyone else). .84 PPP in ISO, good for top 42% in the league. As a ball handler defender, he gives up .69 PPP, good for top 23% in the league. As the ball handler, he produces .74 PPP, which is bottom 43% in the league. He's good moving without the ball--he produced 1.5 PPP on cuts to the basket, good for top 6% in the league. Bucks were 1.2 points per 100 possessions worse with him on court.

Delly: -.38 ORPM (41st out of 101 SGs), -.48 DRPM (38th out of 101 SGs).
46.2% on wide open threes, 34.4% on open threes. Shot a 31.5% on corner threes. Very good three point defender (players shot 29.5% against him and 32.8% against everyone else). He's allowing .79 PPP defending the ball handler, bottom 45% in the league. As the ball handler, he cannot create offense as we know--he produces .53 PPP, which is bottom 10% in the league. He does decently well in ISO as he produces .81 PPP, which is top 48% in the league. Cavs were 4.6 points per 100 possessions worse with him on court, BUT he was in the Cavs' two best net efficiency lineups; his +/- suffered greatly when he played garbage minutes with the end of the bench at the end of games.

Lin: 1.39 ORPM (19th out of 84 PGs), .27 DRPM (20th out of 84 SGs).
41.7% on wide open threes, 40.5% on open threes. Shot a 37.5% on corner threes (45% last year). Poor three point defender (players shot 40.6% against him and 34.8% against everyone else). He's a poor defender of the ball handler allowing .85 PPP, bottom 28 % in the NBA. He's a good creator as a ball handler--he produces .83 PPP, which is top 27% in the league. He does not do well in ISO as he produces .74 PPP, which is bottom 38% in the league. Lakers were 1.2 points per 100 possessions better with him on court.

Mills: .52 ORPM (31st out of 84 PGs), .43 DRPM (16th out of 84 SGs).
34.7% on wide open threes, 37.3% on open threes. Shot a 37% on corner threes (47% last year). Poor three point defender (players shot 40.5% against him and 33.5% against everyone else). He's an average defender of the ball handler allowing .80 PPP, bottom 45 % in the NBA. He's a below average creator as a ball handler--he produces .71 PPP, which is bottom 40% in the league. He does not do well in ISO as he produces .74 PPP, which is bottom 38% in the league.Spurs were 3.5 points per 100 possessions better with him on court.

 

[Snarly]

Just seems like an opportunity to pursue. I would have no way of knowing if its on the Cavs radar or how seriously the Bucks would look at it. I would assume we'd have to include our pick for either of those guys, based on their age and talent.

MCW, Bayless, Ennis, Mayo, Dudley, Middleton, Parker, Giannis just seems like 1-2 players too many the PG/Wing minutes. But perhaps the Bucks just find a taker for Dudley and Ennis and make the minutes work for the other 6 guys.

Yeah we for sure can get Mayo since Jabari will be healthy they have no need for Mayo and we do. I will never sleep on Mayo every time we play the Buck he is the player I remember for hitting those "shots" so yeah. To me Mayo is less fit for the Bucks and more so for a contender. Very nice topic here.