C.J. Miles signs with Cavs ($2M/year, 2nd year is team option)

[Giambiwannabe7]

Nobody here thought the guy was the next coming. People weren't planning parades because CJ Miles decided to take his talents to the shores of Lake Erie. What people were happy for was that it was an upgrade in depth over guys like Christian Eyenga, Manny Harris, DJ Kennedy and the rest of the DLeague castoffs we trotted out last year.

Yes, he has been atrocious so far. Terrible. But, I'm not longing for the days of Mychel Thompson just yet.

 

[Tornicade]

I dont getthe logic of.." CJ you plying like crap on both ends of the floor so we going to make you a starter.

At the moment the most important key to the cavs development is the starting line. they can worry about the bench next year.

Scott also wants to put zeller in the starting lineup at some point putting either thompson or av on the bench.

The cavs would be best served splitting time at the guard position with CJ/gibson and sloan allowing Casspi to play the three and putting Samuels in the 4.

Scott apparently wants to be able to look at waltn and say i gave ya chance. I dont really have any problems with that.

you dont fix the bench by breaking the starting lineup .

 

[CavsFanJapan]

You can't say the organization had a tremendous amount of confidence in CJ by the way the contract was set up. This signing was a just in case deal that depended on Gee.

 

[Douglar]

This signing was a just in case deal that depended on Gee.

There was more than one reason to sign CJ Miles last summer. The simplest reason is "at that price, why not?"

it's not like the team gave up talent, scrambled their cap space, or passed on a better player to get this guy.

 

[billmac91]

Chuck Jumpers has been bad the first week of the season, almost JR Bremer bad. He likely won't be this bad for the entire year but a 7 year track record is still a 7 year track record so I don't know what people are expecting. Wing players just don't break out after that many years in the NBA and if they do it's often a fluke season.

What I don't get is how the organization supposedly wooed him for a month or so. They, Byron Scott in particular it seems, were really on Miles. Makes me wonder what did they see and what did they believe they were getting.

Again, the talent is obviously there. 6'7 wing players aren't naturally as smooth as he is. You can see glimpses of his overall talent. Smooth stroke, great handle, too-much confidence...but confidence none the less.

If the Cavs had any other aggressive offensive players in the second unit, I don't think we'd see CJ pressing so much. It doesn't seem like anyone is giving him the benfit of the doubt here...if he isn't chucking those shots up, who is?

Boobie can't create his own shot and needs 10 feet of space to take the jumper
Zeller has been downright awful thus far...shooting and creating in the post
Luke Walton is Luke freakin' Walton
Donald Sloan isn't a scorer

You know what the above means? CJ Miles needs to chuck otherwise we aren't taking any shots.

Our bench is awful.

 

[RikSmits]

Again, the talent is obviously there. 6'7 wing players aren't naturally as smooth as he is. You can see glimpses of his overall talent. Smooth stroke, great handle, too-much confidence...but confidence none the less.

If the Cavs had any other aggressive offensive players in the second unit, I don't think we'd see CJ pressing so much. It doesn't seem like anyone is giving him the benfit of the doubt here...if he isn't chucking those shots up, who is?

Boobie can't create his own shot and needs 10 feet of space to take the jumper
Zeller has been downright awful thus far...shooting and creating in the post
Luke Walton is Luke freakin' Walton
Donald Sloan isn't a scorer

You know what the above means? CJ Miles needs to chuck otherwise we aren't taking any shots.

Our bench is awful.

What talents are you talking about? Maybe his smooth stroke excites you (pun intended), but I'd rather he'd have an ugly stroke and shoot at a 50% clip.

Great handle? What good is it if he uses that great handle to move into a forest of defenders to chuck up a wild ball, smooth stroke and all? I'd prefer he'd dribble a bit less and make some better, crisp passes.

Too much confidence? Is that another nice way of saying "stupid chucker without conscience".

Talent is nice, but without an understanding of how to use that talent properly, it's sort of wasted.

CJ Miles does not need to chuck. The coaching staff have to find ways to use the talents on the bench (as limited as they may be) in the most effective ways. Having one guy who in the previous 3 seasons never reached a fg% of .430 chucking up shots to maximze those talenst. Also, it will not help Miles to succeed. IMO.

 

[NarlCavs]

Chuck Jumpers has been bad the first week of the season, almost JR Bremer bad. He likely won't be this bad for the entire year but a 7 year track record is still a 7 year track record so I don't know what people are expecting. Wing players just don't break out after that many years in the NBA and if they do it's often a fluke season.

What I don't get is how the organization supposedly wooed him for a month or so. They, Byron Scott in particular it seems, were really on Miles. Makes me wonder what did they see and what did they believe they were getting.

Remember this is the same Byron Scott who thought it was a good idea to have Luke Walton in the rotation and who compared Micheal Eric to Serge Ibaka. I like Byron but he does make you wonder sometimes.

It also says something when we do get a little excited over the signing of someone like Miles since we think it's an upgrade over some of the crap that the Cavs have put on the court the last 2 seasons. I'm not looking for huge signings and I'm all for building and being patient but the time of the rejects and D Leaguers filling the rotation needs to end.

 

[billmac91]

What talents are you talking about? Maybe his smooth stroke excites you (pun intended), but I'd rather he'd have an ugly stroke and shoot at a 50% clip.

Great handle? What good is it if he uses that great handle to move into a forest of defenders to chuck up a wild ball, smooth stroke and all? I'd prefer he'd dribble a bit less and make some better, crisp passes.

Too much confidence? Is that another nice way of saying "stupid chucker without conscience".

Talent is nice, but without an understanding of how to use that talent properly, it's sort of wasted.

CJ Miles does not need to chuck. The coaching staff have to find ways to use the talents on the bench (as limited as they may be) in the most effective ways. Having one guy who in the previous 3 seasons never reached a fg% of .430 chucking up shots to maximze those talenst. Also, it will not help Miles to succeed. IMO.

Pop in the game against the Bulls, and watch as our team crumbles against the defensive pressure of Chicago, including Kyrie. Again, Miles shoots too much, and forces the issue a lot, but he was the only wing player we had who consistently beat his man off the dribble and got shots off without a hand in his grill. If he doesn't make them it's kind of irrelevant, but when you're looking at skills and what someone can bring to the table, it shouldn't be overlooked either. On a team with guys, especially the second unit, that cannot create their own shots and rarely put pressure on the opposing team, players like CJ become important. Disagree all you want, but he has a skill-set a lot of guys in the league don't have. It's on him to make some adjustments and get out of his shooting funk.

If he were shooting 43% right now, we'd be singing a different tune. He just needs to finish a little bit more.

And for the record, I was pretty indifferent to the signing...I guess, I've seen a lot of skills I didn't realize he even possessed. IMO, he's a lot better than people are giving him credit for.

 

[AuxiliaryPie]

Remember this is the same Byron Scott who thought it was a good idea to have Luke Walton in the rotation and who compared Micheal Eric to Serge Ibaka. I like Byron but he does make you wonder sometimes.

It also says something when we do get a little excited over the signing of someone like Miles since we think it's an upgrade over some of the crap that the Cavs have put on the court the last 2 seasons. I'm not looking for huge signings and I'm all for building and being patient but the time of the rejects and D Leaguers filling the rotation needs to end.

BS wanted Walton because he's a veteran leader (excuse to play him) and a tank driver (reason to play him), and of course he'll say a guy that looks just like Ibaka could be like Ibaka..he's not gonna trash talk his own player to the media.

Imagine if we didnt sign Miles and lost Gee. We could have one small forward, fucking Casspi. And if Gee signed and we didnt have Miles, Casspi would be our backup SF. Could you imagine how stagnant an offense of Sloan, Boobie, Casspi, SamSam and Zeller would be? just a bunch of standing around waiting for a turn over to get back on D. CJ isnt the answer we need, but at least he's dirt cheap, has post season experience and can be gone after this season if need be.

For the record i DO like CJ, he seems like a nice guy and i am hoping for something to "click" with him, but im not holding my breath.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Imagine if we didnt sign Miles and lost Gee. We could have one small forward, fucking Casspi. And if Gee signed and we didnt have Miles, Casspi would be our backup SF. Could you imagine how stagnant an offense of Sloan, Boobie, Casspi, SamSam and Zeller would be? just a bunch of standing around waiting for a turn over to get back on D. CJ isnt the answer we need, but at least he's dirt cheap, has post season experience and can be gone after this season if need be.

It couldn't possibly be any more stagnant than the current bench has been.

 

[AuxiliaryPie]

im not saying ours is explosive by any means, but at least CJ takes it upon himself to shoot the ball. We all know Casspi looks like a lost kid in a department store on the court

 

[Nathan S]

In a way, I'm kind of glad Miles and Walton have made it immediately clear that they suck. Hopefully Scott will be smart enough to reduce their roles now, rather than playing them half the season before realizing that they're totally useless. Or maybe we're just tanking already and this is all going according to plan.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

The thing with Miles is, I highly doubt he gets his role reduced a whole bunch. The options after him are slim and none, really. But, with Walton, he takes time away from guys like Leuer and Samardo, and of course my guy in the DLeague Kevin Jones. I'm no Casspi lover by any means, but I certainly can't see him providing less than Walton. And I still think Leuer has a good shot at being someone to count on as a bench player alongside TT and Andy.

Walton is doing nothing, imo, but impede what we have as relative unknowns in Casspi, Leuer, and Jones. The sooner he is dealt, the better.

 

[SixStringAxis]

I think Miles expected to come in and be a big part of this team. The fact that Dion is starting over him is probably affecting his confidence.

He is making it obvious he cant lead the 2nd unit. I just think he plays much better within a solid 1st or 2nd unit... and he is a part neither.

 

[chrisrich91]

CJ was a typical youngish depth signing. We were probably hoping that he revived his career here a la Ramon Sessions and would give us some value in a trade scenario...he won't keep playing this poorly, but there was always zero downside with his signing.

Although I was really hoping we would get the CJ Miles that dropped 17 in that preseason game. He was so solid...just absolutely sucking so far this season.