Casspi Assfingers

[RikSmits]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

I think some of the replies here above really sum up the combination of issues with Omri.
Especially this one:

Casspi's biggest problem is mental. He lets things get into his head. If he starts the game with a couple of good plays he will usually be very good for the rest of the game. However, if he starts with a couple of misses or a turnover, he loses his confidence and starts playing hesitantly on both sides of the court.

and this one:

Casspi is a decent player the problem is just that, because of our lack of talent, he is asked to do things that he cant do. Maybe he will grow into this role but right now he is a terrible fit at the 3. He is a catch and shoot kind of player that has size as a luxury. ...

What I disagree with is the notion that his defense is horrible. I think his defense has been good, and at even quite good. He tries to play team D, and cheats off his man a lot to help, especially since Jamison gets beat constantly. With that in mind, he did an okay job. Yesterday, he helped keeping Granger and George (who had 18 against Toronto the previous game) to subpar nights. Granger scored nine of his 22 in OT, when Gee was playing.
In the W against Detroit, Casspi had a solid game against Prince and Daye, and during one stretch in the second quarter, gained the Cavs three possessions with aggressive D. IITC, he bodied up on Prince who lost the ball of his foot, chased Prince on a pass, who stepped out of bounds, and stripped Daye a few possessions later for the steal. Two of those pays don't end up in the stats department, but took away a Detroit offensive possession and gave the Cavs the ball.

Gee was clearly the better player on offense the last few games, but not on D. And once Gee played together with the starters late in the game yesterday, he kind of of disappeared. It's important to note that his success was mainly against the opponents second unit and is a small sample size.

What struck me most about Omri is that he seems a bit slow and sluggish, and lacks elevation. Perhaps it's because of his offseason knee injury, perhaps conditioning, but he can jump higher and have a more explosive first step.

I'm sure once he gets more comfortable he will be fine, and will show stat lines like in his only preseason game. Whether as a starter or reserve is immaterial at this point. As I pointed out before, I think he's best suited for a sixth man role.

 

[bubba52782]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

He's the kind of guy that will randomly throw up 20 points one game and disappear the next.

Sasha?

 

[MYoung23]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

Omri Casspi doesnt appear to be healthy. He's still moving at scrimmage speed. I will wait a while before I reinstate the J.A.G label on him.

 

[SOA]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

Sasha?

yeah but he doesn't appear to have Sasha's hops

I question how much of an upgrade Casspi is from Luke Harrangoddy

 

[Matches]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

I question how much of an upgrade Casspi is from Luke Harrangoddy

Between this and the poster above who implied that Gee was the future at SF, this thread has cost me two sections of paper towel now in monitor wipedowns..

 

[Kypus]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

Anyway, Casspi will find his place. I see that many folks here have not watched him over the past few years. He's a solid, young player, but like I've written before, it's hard to know what his ceiling is since Sac was so screwed up (amazingly, they look almost worse this year, poor Jimmer). But RealKingofCleve is off saying you can find a role player like him anywhere. He brings the intangibles, toughness, and gritty play that we haven't really had in Cleveland for a long while. I liken him to Nocioni in his prime, tough dude, can hit the 3, plays solid D, but not a gifted scorer/slasher, just a solid, passionate presence, "bulldog" as Scott said.

This. Got to love the majority here who have never seen him play talking out of their asses about him being just not that good. Props to the 4 or so guys that actually acknowledged the reality of the knee injury.

Re: Casspi --- Rehabbing and Waiting 09-22-2011 12:31 AM
Originally Posted by wuck "I'm working out every day. I'm just trying to be in the best shape I can be in," said Casspi, who sprained his MCL while practicing with the national team in early August, in a recent telephone interview.

He expects to be able to play within a week.

"It still hurts, but it feels better every day."

At least it was only a sprained MCL, he makes it sound good... but he's obviously downplaying it. Don't everybody be all shocked if it gives him trouble with his lateral movement.

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread....-and-Waiting&p=1198992&highlight=#post1198992

That said, since it didn't require surgery, it's at most a Grade II sprain, which this article says takes 2-3 months to heal. I'm no doctor but I did work in an orthopaedic clinic, and after multiple knee ligament injuries myself, this sounds about right. It's been 4 months, so it can only get better from here.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/251968-the-mcl-sprain-protocol/
The only question is will it be in time to help us...which is unclear at this point.

He's already wearing the knee brace (R knee in highlights below), now he just needs to be riding the bike and as much physical therapy & stretching it out from the training staff as possible.

:22-24 He's moving like an old man, because the stiff-leggedness from that type of injury weakens your core strength . No wonder he's just been camping out on the perimeter.
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[Randolphkeys]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

The title of this thread is maddening.

Was the title supposed to hint that Casspi's play is "Poo Delish?" If so, that is fucking disgusting.

Was the title supposed to hint that Omri plays like a small toy dog, as in "Poodle -ish?" If so, that is fucking weird. He is clearly more of a English Setter thus far.

 

[NarlCavs]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

Big key is how Casspi looks when he gets completely healthy. Getting hurt in the offseason and the short camp this year hasn't helped him at all.

If you accept that he's a role player who when all is said and done should be playing about 1/2 the game at most than you should be ok with Casspi. He's not great at anything but is at least fairly solid in all areas and does play hard and brings the right attitude.
I'm still completely fine with acquiring him and what will be a mid #1 for Hickson.

 

[Mdog1]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

Oh god if Gee is the SF of the future then I hope we trade Kyrie and Tristan now so they don't waste their primes on a shit team. Thank god it would take a colosal f*ck up for Grant not to draft a better SF, or pick one up in FA.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

I'm not sure he's still hurt, but I do think the injury contributed to him not being in shape. He looks extremely thick out there compared to previous years, seems like he's 20+ pounds overweight to be honest. That's a huge problem for the type of game he plays.

Gonna give him time to work that weight off before I judge.

 

[SOA]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

Between this and the poster above who implied that Gee was the future at SF, this thread has cost me two sections of paper towel now in monitor wipedowns..

ok

so far after 3 games

Alonzo Gee 58.8 FG% 40.0 3PT% 10.0 PPG in 28.8MPG
Omri Casspi 21.7 FG% 16.7 3PT% 4.3 PPG in 21.0MPG

Last year
Alonzo Gee 45.8 FG% 33.3 3PT% 5.9 PPG in 19.9MPG in 56G 34 as a starter
Omri Casspi 41.2 FG% 37.2 3PT% 8.6 PPG in 24.0MPG in 71G 27 as a starter
Luke Harangody 37.8 FG% 25.0 3PT% 6.2 PPG in 19.0MPG in 21 G as Cav none as a starter

Gee worked on his outside shot during the off season. is he the answer at SF . . .no . . . but he has shown he is a better option than Casspi thus far

Harangody last year in the 21 games as a Cavs played well off the bench. if you compare that to what we are seeing from Casspi thus far.I'd say Casspi hasn't shown much more as a Cav starting than Harangody did coming off the bench last year.

someone compared him to ever disappearing Sasha Pavlovic

my biggest beef is if Kyrie is penetrating and creating he needs player around him that can finish , Casspi hasn't shown me that yet. Ilike the idea of Gee getting some court time with Kyrie than the spot up shooters around him now!

its only 3 games so I will give him time to adjust , but if we don't see progress by game 12 to 15 I can easiy see Gee starting

 

[abraxas]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

Dead on. In Sacramento, especially in his rookie season, every game he would knock down a couple shots early, the dude would look like an all star for a half. I hate mentally weak players.

I hate to be a forum snob, but there are some really awful posts going on. People, you don't need to write anything if you don't know what you're talking about. Really. You don't. You can just read and write when you know what you're talking about.

So having said that, I wonder if you hate Kobe? Or Garnett? Or Pierce? Just a couple players who come to mind who I don't think anyone would label "mentally weak". These guys play all out, and show their emotions while they're out there. If they knock down a few shots in a row, you see it (announcers used to always say, don't let KG hit those early ones). They ride their emotions to do well. And if they miss a few, you see that too. If they screw up, no one is harder on them than themselves. They're what announcers refer to as "emotional players". And when emotional players get into a zone, watch out. But when they're off, also, watch out, because their body language and emotional angst can screw up the rest of their game.

Now the difference between those players and Casspi is obviously talent, but let's not confuse emotional with mentally weak. Casspi is a very emotional player and you see that both on in the good and not so good. But he is certainly not mentally weak.

Mentally weak is a guy who runs from a real challenge (ahem, wonder if we got a good example of this type of player) - not just a game in the Garden challenge - but who wants to be out there with the ball in his hand with the game on the line, who doesn't back down from banging and conflict with other teams, and who's not afraid to get in the face of his own teammates, but also take command/critique as well. It took Dirk years to get comfortable with this, and some guys don't ever learn that. That's not Casspi. That's why Bryon Scott, someone who made his career on being mentally tough, labeled Casspi a bulldog after the first real court time Scott saw him play.

So the moral of the story...I'd trust Coach Scott any day on who is a tough NBA player and who is not, and Casspi is a tough NBA player who needs good coaching, consistent playing time, and blending into solid team play to demonstrate what he's made of and what he's got for our team.

 

[germancav]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

He had an injury in August that was supposed to be ok after a week... And now in 2012 its still bothering him? Thats terrible... Why did nobody do something about it before the season started? Were those games he had to play in that important? More important then the 11-12 NBA season?

PS: GTFO with this stuff of beeing mentally weak .. In which tough situations has Casspi been in since he got traded here? He isnt playing well but beeing emotionally weak (or whatever ppl call it) isnt the reason for that. Talent and possibly health is...

@RikSmiths...His defence might be OK. But honestly Casspi is supposed to be our starter at the 3 right? He is a catch and shoot guy on offense. He simply has to be a good defender in order to deserve beeing a starter. Casspi has size, improving on defense should be his first priority in my opinion.

 

[AmirT0]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

The title of this thread is maddening.

Was the title supposed to hint that Casspi's play is "Poo Delish?" If so, that is fucking disgusting.

Was the title supposed to hint that Omri plays like a small toy dog, as in "Poodle -ish?" If so, that is fucking weird. He is clearly more of a English Setter thus far.

The latter

 

[Triumph36]

Re: Casspi's Poodelish performance thus far

just wanted to point out how surprised i am at this thread going 43 posts without a single mention of 'pit bull'