Casspi Assfingers

[Hardaway]

Casspi has been looking much better in the last couple of weeks and especially in the last two games. his defense and rebounding have been solid lately. If he can score on a more regular basis I think he can be a good sub.

Just read that the cavs might release him at the end of the season to make more room under the salary cap. It makes no sense since he is going to get paid 2.2 M which is very little in nba standarts.

 

[CBBI]

This may be an unpopular opinion (actually I know for a fact it will be), but I don't think Alonzo Gee is really all that much better than Omri Casspi right now or in general.

I think we all (myself included) got blinded by the fact that it appeared the Cavs had a young, exciting wing player for the first time in seemingly forever in Gee and we've overlooked the fact that he's really not that good.

I would certainly not match an offer over 3M a year at this point.

 

[SOA]

This may be an unpopular opinion (actually I know for a fact it will be), but I don't think Alonzo Gee is really all that much better than Omri Casspi right now or in general.

I think we all (myself included) got blinded by the fact that it appeared the Cavs had a young, exciting wing player for the first time in seemingly forever in Gee and we've overlooked the fact that he's really not that good.

I would certainly not match an offer over 3M a year at this point.

I think you may be in the minority inn that assumption

Few things to ponder

• there are rumors of buying out Casspi in the off season
• there are rumors Casspi not even learning all the plays as a starter
• Gee has been a much better defender at the 3, one of the league leaders in steals(almost 2.0/g)
• Omri's stats as a starter 22 Mpg 41.8% FG 31.3% 3PT 63.2% FT 3.5 REB 7.6 PPG
• Alonzo's stats as a starter 33 Mpg 43.2% FG 29.3% 3PT 72.4% FT 5.8 REB 12.9 PPG
• Gee's PER is 13.32 and Casspi's is 11.72
• Gee stats are better everywhere except in 3PT % as a starter its better as a bench player

I like that Omri has been playing better as of late . he was one of the few bright spots in the PHX game , however reports he still doesn't know all the plays is pretty damning.

I have long advocated him coming of the bench to get his head straight and play in a less stressful situation against lesser opponents .

the remaining games we might get a picture of what we have with Casspi

 

[Lee]

I think you may be in the minority inn that assumption

Few things to ponder

• there are rumors of buying out Casspi in the off season
• there are rumors Casspi not even learning all the plays as a starter
• Gee has been a much better defender at the 3, one of the league leaders in steals(almost 2.0/g)
• Omri's stats as a starter 22 Mpg 41.8% FG 31.3% 3PT 63.2% FT 3.5 REB 7.6 PPG
• Alonzo's stats as a starter 33 Mpg 43.2% FG 29.3% 3PT 72.4% FT 5.8 REB 12.9 PPG
• Gee's PER is 13.32 and Casspi's is 11.72
• Gee stats are better everywhere except in 3PT % as a starter its better as a bench player

I like that Omri has been playing better as of late . he was one of the few bright spots in the PHX game , however reports he still doesn't know all the plays is pretty damning.

I have long advocated him coming of the bench to get his head straight and play in a less stressful situation against lesser opponents .

the remaining games we might get a picture of what we have with Casspi

All this proves is neither Gee nor Casspi should be starting as an NBA player. Keep one for the bench and find a starting caliber sf in the draft. Everyone here wants big men, and we do need those, but we are in need of wing players too. Not a single wing player on this team currently should be a starter in the nba, and that includes fan favorite Gee. If Gee was even a late 1st round pick, we would all be on his case calling him overrated and a bust.

 

[KingDelonte13]

This may be an unpopular opinion (actually I know for a fact it will be), but I don't think Alonzo Gee is really all that much better than Omri Casspi right now or in general.

I think we all (myself included) got blinded by the fact that it appeared the Cavs had a young, exciting wing player for the first time in seemingly forever in Gee and we've overlooked the fact that he's really not that good.

I would certainly not match an offer over 3M a year at this point.

Casspi is not going to get any better. Gee has potential to get better. Casspi is a terrible Defender. Gee plays D. Casspi can't create his own shot. Gee can create his own shot.

EDIT: i'm not saying Gee is all that good or will be great, but i do contend that Gee throughout the course of this season has shown he is the far better ball player.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

All this proves is neither Gee nor Casspi should be starting as an NBA player. Keep one for the bench and find a starting caliber sf in the draft. Everyone here wants big men, and we do need those, but we are in need of wing players too. Not a single wing player on this team currently should be a starter in the nba, and that includes fan favorite Gee. If Gee was even a late 1st round pick, we would all be on his case calling him overrated and a bust.

Oh come on. That's beyond absurd.

 

[Lee]

All this proves is neither Gee nor Casspi should be starting as an NBA player. Keep one for the bench and find a starting caliber sf in the draft. Everyone here wants big men, and we do need those, but we are in need of wing players too. Not a single wing player on this team currently should be a starter in the nba, and that includes fan favorite Gee. If Gee was even a late 1st round pick, we would all be on his case calling him overrated and a bust.[/QUOTE]

Oh come on. That's beyond absurd.

No, draft position has everything to do with it. See Shannan brown if you think i am wrong. Gee hasnt proved to be much better than Brown, but we called him a bust and ran him out of town. Since the Lakers paid nothing for him, he was a savior there for 2 years. But they are both similar level players.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

No, draft position has everything to do with it. See Shannan brown if you think i am wrong. Gee hasnt proved to be much better than Brown, but we called him a bust and ran him out of town. Since the Lakers paid nothing for him, he was a savior there for 2 years. But they are both similar level players.

I respect your opinion on a lot of topics on this board, but I just don't see it here. Gee is head and shoulders better defensively, and can be counted on to take the challenge of guarding another team's best perimeter player. I also think Gee is more versatile. I also believe, as the Cavs do, Gee's cieling has yet to be identified. I'm not sure you could find one single person in the NBA to say that about Shannon Brown. I understand they do play different positions, but Gee offers much more to the game in general. Though he has fallen off a bit recently, his outside shot is much better than Brown, as well. I fully expect another offseason of hard work will lend to a much more consistant, improved game for Gee. What you see is what you get with Brown. Can you honestly say that with Gee?

 

[Pioneer10]

Gee's an average NBA player: slightly worse then average on offense (mostly due to inconsistency, lack of good handles) but I think he's also better then average on offense.

Casspi if continue to improve looks to be about the same. The difference is Casspi for a lot of the season looked a lot worse then average and now he's coming off the bench playing against weaker competition making it a bit easier. So at his best he looks like the same as an average Gee day.

Having an average NBA player at a couple spots is normal for most title teams. The problem for the Cavs is we really only have two players, AV and Irving, were are exceptional. Need more of those guys and then you don't have to worry about the Gee's of the world having to produce more then there capable of an a regular basis

 

[SOA]

No, draft position has everything to do with it. See Shannan brown if you think i am wrong. Gee hasnt proved to be much better than Brown, but we called him a bust and ran him out of town. Since the Lakers paid nothing for him, he was a savior there for 2 years. But they are both similar level players.

thwere are similiarities between Shannon Brow and Gee

both are athletic wings
both came into the league with suspect jumpshots

the difference is the environment

Coach Potato Head rode the vets harder than Scott and Gee wouldn't have sniffed the floor under him

Gee is a rotation player and shannon brown is still a bench player

I think Gee has better hands and is a better perimeter defender

I think he is fine at the 3 if he continues to work on his offensive game and plays within himself

 

[Lee]

I respect your opinion on a lot of topics on this board, but I just don't see it here. Gee is head and shoulders better defensively, and can be counted on to take the challenge of guarding another team's best perimeter player. I also think Gee is more versatile. I also believe, as the Cavs do, Gee's cieling has yet to be identified. I'm not sure you could find one single person in the NBA to say that about Shannon Brown. I understand they do play different positions, but Gee offers much more to the game in general. Though he has fallen off a bit recently, his outside shot is much better than Brown, as well. I fully expect another offseason of hard work will lend to a much more consistant, improved game for Gee. What you see is what you get with Brown. Can you honestly say that with Gee?

Gee is a terrible ball handler. He really is more of an undersized athletic pf playing sf. Brown is a good ball handler and good defender although a terrible shooter. Gee is only an average shooter. Gee looks good just because of how bad Casspi has looked and how devoid of talent our wing position is. I am not saying Gee isnt a NBA player, just not a real starter. He is rotational. Considering he is undrafted, that is quite the compliment. And the only reason we like him is because he was undrafted.

We hated Shanon Brown as a fan base. LA loved him. He put up similar numbers in LA, but LA didnt have to pay for Brown and he was on a min contract. How do Phoenix fans feel about him now that they paid him 3.5 mill (although not long term)

Really they have quite similar numbers, you really are being distracted by the fact we got Gee for free. Its not a bad thing, just how things go. No one likes their own draft picks unless they perform like Kyrie their rookie year.

 

[CBBI]

I'm not saying Gee is better than Casspi or visa versa. I'm saying that neither of them are very good players. I'm saying that now that Gee's starting he's being exposed as a non-starting caliber player (just like Casspi was earlier in the year) in this league.

This team still needs three starters at SG, SF, and C. As of now the only two players we can safely say will be here 2-3 years from now are Irving and Thompson. Gee just does not fall into that category.

 

[Lee]

I'm not saying Gee is better than Casspi or visa versa. I'm saying that neither of them are very good players. I'm saying that now that Gee's starting he's being exposed as a non-starting caliber player (just like Casspi was earlier in the year) in this league.

This team still needs three starters at SG, SF, and C. As of now the only two players we can safely say will be here 2-3 years from now are Irving and Thompson. Gee just does not fall into that category.

Thompson hasnt proven to be a starter yet either, although i think he can be. We really are devoid of allot of talent, but Irving hides some of how bad we really are.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

I guess we just disagree on our evaluations for the most part, and that's fine. But, just getting back to my original point, the part of your post I bolded, I do not believe gee would be considered a bust as a late first rounder. That is illogical, imo, regardless of what fans thought of Shannon Brown.

 

[RTrees]

thwere are similiarities between Shannon Brow and Gee

both are athletic wings
both came into the league with suspect jumpshots

the difference is the environment

Coach Potato Head rode the vets harder than Scott and Gee wouldn't have sniffed the floor under him

Gee is a rotation player and shannon brown is still a bench player

I think Gee has better hands and is a better perimeter defender

I think he is fine at the 3 if he continues to work on his offensive game and plays within himself

I agree with a bit of this. I think the difference in these two and their productivity with the Cavs has to do with mentality.

Gee is a guy who's had to earn every minute he's gotten, and when he's earned it, coach has played him. It actually paid off, the hard work, so he continues to work hard.

Brown probably earned a chance to play well before he ever played, and then when he finally did play, he was played (by the coach) with hesitation and fear. He got spot minutes and never got a chance to make a contribution in Cleveland. I imagine this was a very discouraging experience and had an effect on how he played and how comfortable he could feel on the floor.

The Cavs have handled Gee much better than Brown. He's been given confidence. And we're seeing the result of that. Unfortunately Brown didn't find that until he was traded.