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[BankShot]

Ability wise, I think Casspi has pretty much reached his ceiling, but Gee hasn't (which is odd since Gee is older). But I also think that Casspi could continue to tweak his skills to make himself a solid rotational player on any team, the skill-set is already there, just needs refined. As for Gee, he should shoot 500 jumpshots per day all summer, a more consistent 3pt-shot & mid range jumper would make him very difficult to guard...with improvement he could easily be a 15 pt avg type of SF, ceiling slightly higher.

 

[Jon]

Shannon Brown couldn't be more different than Gee. The former was a first round pick who felt entitled and unwilling to accept a secondary role, while the later was an undrafted player who's had to scrap for everything he's made of his career.

If Gee was a first round pick and somehow retained his attitude of working hard on his game, giving full effort on D, and doing whatever the coach wanted out of him ... I think he'd be accepted much the same way he is now. Heck, we might as well be comparing Gibson to Brown. Gibson hasn't turned out to be everything we could have hoped, but he's still appreciated ... and he's earned about $7m more over his career than Shannon because he gave a shit.

 

[SOA]

This may be an unpopular opinion (actually I know for a fact it will be), but I don't think Alonzo Gee is really all that much better than Omri Casspi right now or in general.

I think we all (myself included) got blinded by the fact that it appeared the Cavs had a young, exciting wing player for the first time in seemingly forever in Gee and we've overlooked the fact that he's really not that good.

I would certainly not match an offer over 3M a year at this point.

consider how they have played when given the opportunity to start I'd say Gee is better than Casspi and the numbers reflect it

the only issue with Shannon Brown he was not given a fair opportunity under Mike Brown, he was not the 3 Point shooter we needed at wing with LBJ

we are spoiled in getting polished products like Kyrie from the draft, players like Gee and Thompson will develop in time

I think the important thing is surrounding them with talented complimentary vets who can not only show the younger players HOW to play but contribute as well

when you see the wings we have had over the years , I have no problem with Gee's contributions in such limited sample thus far.

given how much he has improved over the last year, I don't think we have seen the ceiling in his development

 

[Lee]

Shannon Brown couldn't be more different than Gee. The former was a first round pick who felt entitled and unwilling to accept a secondary role, while the later was an undrafted player who's had to scrap for everything he's made of his career.

If Gee was a first round pick and somehow retained his attitude of working hard on his game, giving full effort on D, and doing whatever the coach wanted out of him ... I think he'd be accepted much the same way he is now. Heck, we might as well be comparing Gibson to Brown. Gibson hasn't turned out to be everything we could have hoped, but he's still appreciated ... and he's earned about $7m more over his career than Shannon because he gave a shit.

This is correct. I was exagerating a point that Gee is not our answer as our starting SF. He has played marginally better than Casspi. We need wing players probably more than we need bigs...and we need bigs.

 

[SOA]

This is correct. I was exagerating a point that Gee is not our answer as our starting SF. He has played marginally better than Casspi. We need wing players probably more than we need bigs...and we need bigs.

at 4/5 we have AV, Thompson, Samuels Harangoddy, Erden and Jamison expiring
at 2/3 we have Gee, Casspi, Manny,walton, Boobie and Parker expiring

we need talent in BOTH areas and with 4 picks in the draft we have a lot of holes to fill

we also have some players who are rumored to be bought out

 

[Hardaway]

consider how they have played when given the opportunity to start I'd say Gee is better than Casspi and the numbers reflect it

the only issue with Shannon Brown he was not given a fair opportunity under Mike Brown, he was not the 3 Point shooter we needed at wing with LBJ

we are spoiled in getting polished products like Kyrie from the draft, players like Gee and Thompson will develop in time

I think the important thing is surrounding them with talented complimentary vets who can not only show the younger players HOW to play but contribute as well

when you see the wings we have had over the years , I have no problem with Gee's contributions in such limited sample thus far.

given how much he has improved over the last year, I don't think we have seen the ceiling in his development

There is no doubt that Gee earned the starting position and produced more than Casspi this season. However, Gee got more credit than Casspi from getgo. Casspi got limited minutes as a starter regardless of his performance (which was mostly disappointing) and never got a chance to play in the 4th when it counts. I've been following Casspi since he was a teenager (I'm Israeli) and I can tell you that he can make important plays when given the confidence by his coach.

Another thing I'd like to point out about the stats you posted earlier. According to Hollinger's stats, Casspi does better than Gee in offensive and defensive rebounding, TO, blocks and adjusted field goal percentage. They are tied in assists. Gee's PER is higher mostly because he shoots more (one gets positive point as long as they shoot over 0.304 from 2 and 0.214 from 3). Both players are below the NBA average. With that being said, I think Gee is a better player but mostly for his defense. The pressure he puts on defense leads to bad shoots and TO by the other team.

When Casspi was told about Scott's comments about the plays he was shocked. He said that he knows all the plays. It seemed to me like Scott was trying to find a scapegoat for the teams bad performance. There is no way that a guy like Casspi, which takes pride in hard work and commitment, would be this unprofessional.

I know I'm a little biased but unfortunately Casspi is the best Israel has to offer. I've been waiting for an Israeli NBA player for over 20 years...

 

[mAo_mAo]

I really think we need to use Casspi as a PF. He is useless in the wings since he can not for the life of him dribble or defend that position. Since he is a "pitbull" I think he can hold his own in the PF position ala Ilyasova.

 

[Kouki]

All this proves is neither Gee nor Casspi should be starting as an NBA player. Keep one for the bench and find a starting caliber sf in the draft. Everyone here wants big men, and we do need those, but we are in need of wing players too. Not a single wing player on this team currently should be a starter in the nba, and that includes fan favorite Gee. If Gee was even a late 1st round pick, we would all be on his case calling him overrated and a bust.

There are VERY few wing players from the last three drafts in the non-lotto first round that have outplayed Gee.

 

[Pioneer10]

Of the guys who have played 500+ minutes, Gee and Sessions have the highest defensive ratings on the Cavs. Both maybe that high because the other respective guys at there positions haven't been good defenders (irving, casspi)

 

[Lee]

There are VERY few wing players from the last three drafts in the non-lotto first round that have outplayed Gee.

Doesnt mean Gee is a future starter. His ball handling skills will be difficult to overcome on a championship caliber team if he was getting 30+ minutes a game. He has turned himself into a Marvin Williams light type player. Very good for an undrafted, but still a player Atlanta is looking to shed.

 

[Lee]

at 4/5 we have AV, Thompson, Samuels Harangoddy, Erden and Jamison expiring
at 2/3 we have Gee, Casspi, Manny,walton, Boobie and Parker expiring

we need talent in BOTH areas and with 4 picks in the draft we have a lot of holes to fill

we also have some players who are rumored to be bought out

No way we should keep 4 rookies on next years team. All 2nd rounders have at best a 25% chance of working out. Anything past lottery in the 1st have about a 50% chance.

My point is we should either trade our last pick or pick up an over seas player to stash. We need to hit another home run on our lottery player. If we pick 7th/8th overall, that means future all star (Kyrie is a possible future MVP imo, but he was 1st overall). We need to hope that our late first or early 2nd ends up becoming a solid contributer/starter. The other most likely wont work out. Cant expect to hit on all 3 draft picks, a bit unrealistic.

If all we do is end up with an all star sf, a workable sg (late first), and a bust at big man, thats still a great draft. Throw in maybe picking up a big like asik (is he starting center quality? he is atleast a good backup center) and we are another step closer.

We were basically starting from scratch on our roster. Things are starting to come together.

 

[Kouki]

I understand that, but I meant to simply reply to your statement that we'd be unhappy if he was a late first rounder.

 

[SOA]

There are VERY few wing players from the last three drafts in the non-lotto first round that have outplayed Gee.

here are the most relevant wings from the last 3 drafts, chime in if I missed anyone

2011 - Klay Thompson - #11, Iman Shumpert - #17, Marshon Brooks - #25
2010 - Evan Turner - #2 , Wesley Johnson- #4, Gordon Hayward - #9, Paul George - #10
2009 James Harden- #3 , Tyreke Evans - #4, Demar Rozan - #9, Terrence williams -#11, Gerald henderson -#12, James Johnson - #16, Jrue Holliday - #17, Omri casspi #23

 

[teamballer]

No way we should keep 4 rookies on next years team. All 2nd rounders have at best a 25% chance of working out. Anything past lottery in the 1st have about a 50% chance.

My point is we should either trade our last pick or pick up an over seas player to stash. We need to hit another home run on our lottery player. If we pick 7th/8th overall, that means future all star (Kyrie is a possible future MVP imo, but he was 1st overall). We need to hope that our late first or early 2nd ends up becoming a solid contributer/starter. The other most likely wont work out. Cant expect to hit on all 3 draft picks, a bit unrealistic.

If all we do is end up with an all star sf, a workable sg (late first), and a bust at big man, thats still a great draft. Throw in maybe picking up a big like asik (is he starting center quality? he is atleast a good backup center) and we are another step closer.

We were basically starting from scratch on our roster. Things are starting to come together.

I disagree that the Cavs need an allstar SF. With Kyrie at the helm, what is needed at SF is a reliable role player who can defend and knock down open shots. Quality wings are much easier to find than quality big men. If the Cavs can get an allstar big through the draft, that would be way more valuable than getting an allstar SF. TT can become a great defensive PF, but he will not be the guy who carries the offensive load down low. That's a big need the Cavs need to fill if they ever think about contending for a title again.

 

[SOA]

No way we should keep 4 rookies on next years team. All 2nd rounders have at best a 25% chance of working out. Anything past lottery in the 1st have about a 50% chance.

My point is we should either trade our last pick or pick up an over seas player to stash. . . . Cant expect to hit on all 3 draft picks, a bit unrealistic.

Its been rumored that grant is looking to package picks and move up. he traded last years 2nd rounder

also outside of a few success stories the picks that have been stashed overseas hasn't worked real well for most teams outside of a by San Antonio

there are many who want to dump the entire roster because they aren't all-star quality, my tae is players like Gee and even Casspi though not all-star pedigree can be solid rotation players

I still feel like Bobby Phills is a good comparison for Alonzo gee on some levels

the true test of Grant/Gilbert is who they are going to pickup in the offseason from the added cap space after this year and the MLE