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A few questions regarding the cap, in a hypothetical summer trade where again hypothetically let’s assume Lebron demands a trade to Cleveland , and obviously assuming the Cavs are open to it.
First off, are the Lakers, with their current cap situation, are they capable of receiving back a player for James as part of a sign and trade? I know in certain situations where teams are hard capped or repeating violators of the luxury tax they can’t.
Secondly, i believe the NBA next calendar year begins in April, so I think i know the answer to this but want to clarify. Lebron’s salary for ‘21/‘22 is a hair under $42,200,000, and his ‘22/23 bumps up to a hair under $44,500,000.
This summer, using the 125% salary rule via trade, the Cavs would have to at least send out 125% if Lebron’s next season’s salary this summer, correct? Which would be approximately $39,000,000 outgoing minimum, versus approximately $37,000,000 going off what would be 125% of this years salary.
Same goes with the Cavs, the salaries outgoing the Cavs would send would be next seasons salaries post April this year, correct?
The reason I ask is because there are some interesting scenarios that may align this summer, regarding this hypothetical scenario.
First being if Lebron demanded a trade to the Cavs, the Lakers would be hamstrung in trying to find the best deal possible with the Cavs soley.
And as we just saw with the Harden/Simmoms swap, very rarely do these NBA superstars not get what they want when they want out.. and Lebron trumps them all with that type of power.
To make sense for both teams, the Cavs have to match both the $ and talent compensation for the lakers to agree.
The lazy idea would be to include Kevin Love, who, will be carrying a very attractive $29,000,000 expiring deal into next offseason, and if the Lakers are interested in a total post Lebron re boot, there won’t be a much more attractive trade piece to start out with then With Love’s expiring, which would put the Cavs roughly 10million away from reaching the minimum required 125%.
Combining his expiring with other salary with intentions on wiping the Lakers cap hold of Lebron plus draft compensation could be one route.
The other scenario, and the one I’m interested in discussing if the Lakers demand young talent back for Lebron, is the point of my post.
This offseason, the #1 priority for the Cavs will be to figure out what to do with Collin Sexton. They almost assuredly, unless dealt, will offer him the qualifying offer of a hair under 9 million as Hes a restricted free agent this summer, or they could lock him up to a long term extension. Under their current cap situation, the Cavs can extend Sexton up to roughly 20 million per year and still remain under the luxury tax.
An interesting thing to note is Sexton just signed with Klutch, Rich Paul’s agency. So he’s highly viewed to be part of that team. Could Sexton possibly be the key in a return of Lebron James to Cleveland? This part is where a few of my questions need answered.
Could the Cavs sign Sexton to a multi year deal for roughly 20 million per season, then sign and trade him to the Lakers and package him with SF Lauri Markkanen and a filler plus draft compensation to land James?
Combining the resigned Sexton with Markkanen would only put the Cavs aroumd 3-4 million short in making the salaries match and work.
Considering the success the Cavs are already having without Sexton, combined with the LaVert acquisition, Sexton could be a huge piece and not affect the current Cavs chemistry amd make up being included. Neither would Markkanen, as he plays the same postion as James and would also make the most sense being included. So in saying this, would the Cavs be willing to sweeten the pot and include Isaac Okuro, if it meant bringing the Cavs Lebron back?
A package of a resigned Sexton (sign n trade), Markkanen, and Okuro would work money wise. Adding in a pick or 2 would be adequate compensation for a guy demanding a trade, demanding out. The only piece the Cavs would be really sacraficing is the upside in Isaac Okuro.. but do you allow that to not bring back the best player in the world back home to direct this young Cavs team to another title?
Financially could make a great deal of sense to the Cavs as well as getting out of Markkanen’s contract, not worrying about resigning Sexton and the chemistry worries adding him to the mix, plus you allow Kevin Love one last year to play alongside James before his 30 million comes off the books the following offseason.
Would you do:
Lebron James
FOR
Collin Sexton/Isaac Okuro/Lauri Markkanen/future 1st?
PG Darius Garland
SG Caris LaVert
SF Lebron James
PF Evan Mobley
C Jarrett Allen
If Love was the centerpiece with the Lakers wanting his expiring instead, could the Cavs offer Sexton the qualifying offer of almost 9 million and then trade him and Love to the Lakers as well, which would again fall just a hair under the $ needed for the 125%?
That way the Lakers could have a year with Sexton to see if he’s their future plans or could let him walk at the end of next year and along with Loves deal off the books create the massive cap room they may want/need?
The intrigue here for me is if somehow James could be brought back without disrupting the young direction and chemistry of this team. If Sexton amd Markkanen were the 2 main salary pieces, that could make that scenario a potential reality.
Lots of moving parts here. Fun to speculate about either way.
First off, are the Lakers, with their current cap situation, are they capable of receiving back a player for James as part of a sign and trade? I know in certain situations where teams are hard capped or repeating violators of the luxury tax they can’t.
Secondly, i believe the NBA next calendar year begins in April, so I think i know the answer to this but want to clarify. Lebron’s salary for ‘21/‘22 is a hair under $42,200,000, and his ‘22/23 bumps up to a hair under $44,500,000.
This summer, using the 125% salary rule via trade, the Cavs would have to at least send out 125% if Lebron’s next season’s salary this summer, correct? Which would be approximately $39,000,000 outgoing minimum, versus approximately $37,000,000 going off what would be 125% of this years salary.
Same goes with the Cavs, the salaries outgoing the Cavs would send would be next seasons salaries post April this year, correct?
The reason I ask is because there are some interesting scenarios that may align this summer, regarding this hypothetical scenario.
First being if Lebron demanded a trade to the Cavs, the Lakers would be hamstrung in trying to find the best deal possible with the Cavs soley.
And as we just saw with the Harden/Simmoms swap, very rarely do these NBA superstars not get what they want when they want out.. and Lebron trumps them all with that type of power.
To make sense for both teams, the Cavs have to match both the $ and talent compensation for the lakers to agree.
The lazy idea would be to include Kevin Love, who, will be carrying a very attractive $29,000,000 expiring deal into next offseason, and if the Lakers are interested in a total post Lebron re boot, there won’t be a much more attractive trade piece to start out with then With Love’s expiring, which would put the Cavs roughly 10million away from reaching the minimum required 125%.
Combining his expiring with other salary with intentions on wiping the Lakers cap hold of Lebron plus draft compensation could be one route.
The other scenario, and the one I’m interested in discussing if the Lakers demand young talent back for Lebron, is the point of my post.
This offseason, the #1 priority for the Cavs will be to figure out what to do with Collin Sexton. They almost assuredly, unless dealt, will offer him the qualifying offer of a hair under 9 million as Hes a restricted free agent this summer, or they could lock him up to a long term extension. Under their current cap situation, the Cavs can extend Sexton up to roughly 20 million per year and still remain under the luxury tax.
An interesting thing to note is Sexton just signed with Klutch, Rich Paul’s agency. So he’s highly viewed to be part of that team. Could Sexton possibly be the key in a return of Lebron James to Cleveland? This part is where a few of my questions need answered.
Could the Cavs sign Sexton to a multi year deal for roughly 20 million per season, then sign and trade him to the Lakers and package him with SF Lauri Markkanen and a filler plus draft compensation to land James?
Combining the resigned Sexton with Markkanen would only put the Cavs aroumd 3-4 million short in making the salaries match and work.
Considering the success the Cavs are already having without Sexton, combined with the LaVert acquisition, Sexton could be a huge piece and not affect the current Cavs chemistry amd make up being included. Neither would Markkanen, as he plays the same postion as James and would also make the most sense being included. So in saying this, would the Cavs be willing to sweeten the pot and include Isaac Okuro, if it meant bringing the Cavs Lebron back?
A package of a resigned Sexton (sign n trade), Markkanen, and Okuro would work money wise. Adding in a pick or 2 would be adequate compensation for a guy demanding a trade, demanding out. The only piece the Cavs would be really sacraficing is the upside in Isaac Okuro.. but do you allow that to not bring back the best player in the world back home to direct this young Cavs team to another title?
Financially could make a great deal of sense to the Cavs as well as getting out of Markkanen’s contract, not worrying about resigning Sexton and the chemistry worries adding him to the mix, plus you allow Kevin Love one last year to play alongside James before his 30 million comes off the books the following offseason.
Would you do:
Lebron James
FOR
Collin Sexton/Isaac Okuro/Lauri Markkanen/future 1st?
PG Darius Garland
SG Caris LaVert
SF Lebron James
PF Evan Mobley
C Jarrett Allen
If Love was the centerpiece with the Lakers wanting his expiring instead, could the Cavs offer Sexton the qualifying offer of almost 9 million and then trade him and Love to the Lakers as well, which would again fall just a hair under the $ needed for the 125%?
That way the Lakers could have a year with Sexton to see if he’s their future plans or could let him walk at the end of next year and along with Loves deal off the books create the massive cap room they may want/need?
The intrigue here for me is if somehow James could be brought back without disrupting the young direction and chemistry of this team. If Sexton amd Markkanen were the 2 main salary pieces, that could make that scenario a potential reality.
Lots of moving parts here. Fun to speculate about either way.
Edit:
I do know any team receiving a free agent via sign and trade becomes hard capped and need to fall below the cap apron.
According to Spotrac, the Lakers are roughly 19 million over this year’s apron, with a luxury tax bill of over 46 million dollars as is.
Next year, after this April, with cap holds and everything along with the increased cap of ‘22/‘23, the Lakers financial commitments/obligations fall all the way down to just -2,300,000 over the apron, with that projected tax bill of $3,200,000 ish.
So theoretically, after paying a 46 million dollar tax bill for a team that may not make the playoffs this year, and now with their disgruntled star wanting out this coming summer, hypothetically, the Lakers could take the Cavs package of a newly signed and traded Collin Sexton of 20mil per year, Lauri Marrkanen, and Okuro ( plus picks), and even after being hard capped acquiring Sexton, would just barely fall under the cap apron next season and avoid the luxury tax, as long as the Cavs bring back the 125% in out going salaries to make up the 2.2 million needed extra from Lebron’s salary off the books in an even trade.
So if Lebron asks amd demands out, the Lakers are obviously in dumpster fire land, and ownership will still have to fork out an additional 46 million n luxury tax insult to injury.
By simply demanding a trade to Cle, Lebron cripples the Lakers in what they can ask, we’ve seen it play out THis is way time and time again in the past.
The Lakers can add 3 really nice young core pieces AND still avoid going over next year’s Apron being hard capped bringing on a sign and traded Sexton.
Sexton is now represented by Rich Paul, and who better to facilitate this type of deal than him with his relationship with both Lebron and now Sexton!?? Just being a Klutch member shows how valued Sexton is.
Plus the Lakers will be hamstrung.. but still can get the adequate compensation, necessary $ back to consumate a trade, amd save a sheeet ton of money avoiding the tax apron as early as next season.
Could make a lot of sense here.. and for the Cavs, Okuro is the only piece on this current Cavs team your replacing chemistry wise on the present team doing so well, and your doing so with Lebron freaking James.
Will this happen? Hell no. Could it? When you break it down… it could. Again fun to think about.
I do know any team receiving a free agent via sign and trade becomes hard capped and need to fall below the cap apron.
According to Spotrac, the Lakers are roughly 19 million over this year’s apron, with a luxury tax bill of over 46 million dollars as is.
Next year, after this April, with cap holds and everything along with the increased cap of ‘22/‘23, the Lakers financial commitments/obligations fall all the way down to just -2,300,000 over the apron, with that projected tax bill of $3,200,000 ish.
So theoretically, after paying a 46 million dollar tax bill for a team that may not make the playoffs this year, and now with their disgruntled star wanting out this coming summer, hypothetically, the Lakers could take the Cavs package of a newly signed and traded Collin Sexton of 20mil per year, Lauri Marrkanen, and Okuro ( plus picks), and even after being hard capped acquiring Sexton, would just barely fall under the cap apron next season and avoid the luxury tax, as long as the Cavs bring back the 125% in out going salaries to make up the 2.2 million needed extra from Lebron’s salary off the books in an even trade.
So if Lebron asks amd demands out, the Lakers are obviously in dumpster fire land, and ownership will still have to fork out an additional 46 million n luxury tax insult to injury.
By simply demanding a trade to Cle, Lebron cripples the Lakers in what they can ask, we’ve seen it play out THis is way time and time again in the past.
The Lakers can add 3 really nice young core pieces AND still avoid going over next year’s Apron being hard capped bringing on a sign and traded Sexton.
Sexton is now represented by Rich Paul, and who better to facilitate this type of deal than him with his relationship with both Lebron and now Sexton!?? Just being a Klutch member shows how valued Sexton is.
Plus the Lakers will be hamstrung.. but still can get the adequate compensation, necessary $ back to consumate a trade, amd save a sheeet ton of money avoiding the tax apron as early as next season.
Could make a lot of sense here.. and for the Cavs, Okuro is the only piece on this current Cavs team your replacing chemistry wise on the present team doing so well, and your doing so with Lebron freaking James.
Will this happen? Hell no. Could it? When you break it down… it could. Again fun to think about.
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If you want people to respond, please repost in this thread:
Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition
I think Lauri and Allen get brought up for trades because they are the most moveable pieces in the Cavs core group of young players. Allen is really good and I think most of the league is starting to recognize how Brooklyn royally fucked up by not trying to keep him. A trade centered around...
Also, you joined in 2013 and have 4 posts. Wow, that is some patience and restraint.
In order for the Cavs to take on Lebron’s deal and get the Lakers under the Apron, they would have to send approximately 2.2 million more than Lebron makes next year, so approximately 46.5 million in outgoing.
Since the Cavs luxury tax bill isn’t finalized until the new calendar year next April (year from this April in this hypothetical) theCavs could sign and trade Sexton for say 25 million a year market value for a starter, add Marrkanen’s 16.4 and with Okuro’s money would alleviate the Lakers from their tax burdon.
To just comsumate a deal for Lebron money wise, the minimum the Cavs can send out to make the money work would be $35,580,000 (125% of $44,474,980 due next season). The max the Cavs could take back in a deal would be $55,594,000.
So a 20 million sign amd traded Sexton at 20 million and Markkanen would meet the minimum amount of salary needed for a Lebron trade to work $ wise.
To meet the $46,500,000 amount that would really entice the Lakers and out them under the apron upon a rebuild or even a retool, a resigned Sexton, Markkanen, and Okuro would meet that requirement.
Also a Kevin Love and a traded Sexton of his qualifying offer would meet the minimum amount needed to be sent to the Lakers, which if their plan were to allow both to expire at emd of next season for cap space, the $46,500,000 number would no longer be needed for luxury tax purposes. You can add any player/salary on top of Loves 29 million that at least equals the minimim amount of money of needed ($35,580,00) as well under this scenario. For anyone math challenged or simply just lazy, that means any Cavs player making at least $6,580,000 for ‘22/‘23 can be added with Love’s expiring to bring back James…. Again minimum.
I’m sure the Cavs would try and hit a grand slam here( if it ever came to this ) and try and match up the incoming/outgoing-salaries as close as possible and not only land James via trade, but also stay themselves under the apron.
As the Cavs currently sit cap wise for next year, again remember with 12 guys under contract for next year, the Cavs can resign amd keep Sexton this offseason for a hair under 21million per season and still stay just under the apron themselves. So if the Cavs bring o Lebron and his $44,500,000 salary, they took can absorb his money from with Sexton’s deal combined with other money outgoing and stay under the apron themselves too.
Imagine adding Lebron this summer for basically just Okuro off of this present day squad and the Cavs STILL STAY under the apron, even keeping on Love’s bloated salary which will be a huge chip as an expiring come next year’s deadline? Staying under the apron would allow the Cavs to even offer Rubio the full lid level exception this summer as well.
Since the Cavs luxury tax bill isn’t finalized until the new calendar year next April (year from this April in this hypothetical) theCavs could sign and trade Sexton for say 25 million a year market value for a starter, add Marrkanen’s 16.4 and with Okuro’s money would alleviate the Lakers from their tax burdon.
To just comsumate a deal for Lebron money wise, the minimum the Cavs can send out to make the money work would be $35,580,000 (125% of $44,474,980 due next season). The max the Cavs could take back in a deal would be $55,594,000.
So a 20 million sign amd traded Sexton at 20 million and Markkanen would meet the minimum amount of salary needed for a Lebron trade to work $ wise.
To meet the $46,500,000 amount that would really entice the Lakers and out them under the apron upon a rebuild or even a retool, a resigned Sexton, Markkanen, and Okuro would meet that requirement.
Also a Kevin Love and a traded Sexton of his qualifying offer would meet the minimum amount needed to be sent to the Lakers, which if their plan were to allow both to expire at emd of next season for cap space, the $46,500,000 number would no longer be needed for luxury tax purposes. You can add any player/salary on top of Loves 29 million that at least equals the minimim amount of money of needed ($35,580,00) as well under this scenario. For anyone math challenged or simply just lazy, that means any Cavs player making at least $6,580,000 for ‘22/‘23 can be added with Love’s expiring to bring back James…. Again minimum.
I’m sure the Cavs would try and hit a grand slam here( if it ever came to this ) and try and match up the incoming/outgoing-salaries as close as possible and not only land James via trade, but also stay themselves under the apron.
As the Cavs currently sit cap wise for next year, again remember with 12 guys under contract for next year, the Cavs can resign amd keep Sexton this offseason for a hair under 21million per season and still stay just under the apron themselves. So if the Cavs bring o Lebron and his $44,500,000 salary, they took can absorb his money from with Sexton’s deal combined with other money outgoing and stay under the apron themselves too.
Imagine adding Lebron this summer for basically just Okuro off of this present day squad and the Cavs STILL STAY under the apron, even keeping on Love’s bloated salary which will be a huge chip as an expiring come next year’s deadline? Staying under the apron would allow the Cavs to even offer Rubio the full lid level exception this summer as well.
Sorry! Was hoping for more direct answers first before discussion. And I know the people who know how this works linger here..versus the general board. But i get what you're saying.If you want people to respond, please repost in this thread:
Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition
I think Lauri and Allen get brought up for trades because they are the most moveable pieces in the Cavs core group of young players. Allen is really good and I think most of the league is starting to recognize how Brooklyn royally fucked up by not trying to keep him. A trade centered around...realcavsfans.com
Also, you joined in 2013 and have 4 posts. Wow, that is some patience and restraint.
I did a lot rambling there, and was a lil off on my initial 125% calculations so I'm gonna revise my 3 posts into 1 edited one, then post there. Then ill delete these if thats ok .
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You waited 8.5 years to post to just start trolling? lol
If Lebron wants to come back he can wait till he is a free agent in 1.5 years and sign for the MLE and even then most wont want him back for anything and I think I am in that group.
I am not trading young talent for Lebron. Mobley at 20 and Garland at 22 is our timeline, not trading a 21 year old Okoro and 24 year old Lauri for a 37 year old Lebron. Even with LeVert Sexton is on his way out, I rather keep Sexton at 23 years old than trade him for a 37 year old and I am in the trade Sexton corner.
Also I dont think you can include other players in a sign and trade, and Sexton would have to be sign and trade.
Just no.
I am not remotely interested in James joining this team any time soon, especially if it means giving up young talent. All of the reasons the Cavs have been fun to watch would be in jeopardy. We are building a potential dynasty here and I wouldn't trade that away for someone in his late 30s. If he wants to come back to be a rotation player for $7 million per year, I'll consider that.
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No to trade for James but I’m open for James to sign here once his contract is up to come off the bench any other than that hard pass
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Trying to catch up on the new rules.
Looks like the Cavs are destined for the play-in tournament.
If the Cavs lose during the play-in, they get a lottery pick, yes?
If they have a lottery pick, then the 2022 draft pick they traded for LeVert doesn't convey to the Pacers.
Did I get that right?
Looks like the Cavs are destined for the play-in tournament.
If the Cavs lose during the play-in, they get a lottery pick, yes?
If they have a lottery pick, then the 2022 draft pick they traded for LeVert doesn't convey to the Pacers.
Did I get that right?
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If it took Sexton, Markkanen, and Okoro to get this done I would do it without hesitation.
Sexton and LeVert are similar players. They are both starters but we can't start both of them. Markkanen would be replaced by LeBron. And I happen to think Stevens is just as good as Okoro (not Okuro, by the way).
A lineup of Garland, LeVert, LeBron, Mobley, and Allen would be unbeatable. The Cavs would still have Love, Stevens, Moses Brown, Wade, Cedi, and Windler coming off the bench. They would need a backup point guard but I'm sure they could get a veteran to sign for the league minimum in order to get a shot at a ring.
The Lakers don't have a first round pick this year. If we end up in the lottery we could move that pick but I would keep Markkanen if we traded the first rounder.
After we win it all next year Love's $30 million comes off the books and we could use that money to resign LeVert and add more quality depth. We could end up with three straight championships.
Sexton and LeVert are similar players. They are both starters but we can't start both of them. Markkanen would be replaced by LeBron. And I happen to think Stevens is just as good as Okoro (not Okuro, by the way).
A lineup of Garland, LeVert, LeBron, Mobley, and Allen would be unbeatable. The Cavs would still have Love, Stevens, Moses Brown, Wade, Cedi, and Windler coming off the bench. They would need a backup point guard but I'm sure they could get a veteran to sign for the league minimum in order to get a shot at a ring.
The Lakers don't have a first round pick this year. If we end up in the lottery we could move that pick but I would keep Markkanen if we traded the first rounder.
After we win it all next year Love's $30 million comes off the books and we could use that money to resign LeVert and add more quality depth. We could end up with three straight championships.
Not that any of this is realistic, but I believe if we get the lottery pick this year we cannot trade it due to the Stepien rule since we would then owe a protected 1st round pick to Indiana next year.