Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[Lee]

Jimmy has to get paid next year and Brady still had years in the tank you don't trade Brady. And if you're right Brady has 3 years left that's 3 years of top 3qb play 3 years of being the favorite.

Jimmy has shown elite level pocket awareness, reading the defense, quick release and decision making, and he can scramble.
It's not like we're talking about Cassel here Jimmy was a 2nd round pick. But hey y'all can mock me u just want Jimmy at a place I could go fir him. Sending him to Cleveland to cock block Pitt/Baltimore is a major plus


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Jimmy has played 2 games.

Saying he will be top 10 is a far, far stretch at this point.

If he can be had for the late 2nd we have this year and next years 2nd, I would probably take the risk. But NE wants way more than that I am hearing, and i am not willing to give up 2 1sts for a guy who has played 2 games under an elite QB system.

This is not the first time a Brady backup look good. I am willing to take a risk, but only so far.

 

[Soda]

Still next to no film on Jimmy G. And he was injured during his one extended stint in NE. The Pats are hocking him with the "trust me, he's good" pitch and it's a played tactic from that front office. I would personally like to see the Pats hold firm in their demands and have to make a decision come this time next year.

 

[randymoss1881]

Jimmy has played 2 games.

Saying he will be top 10 is a far, far stretch at this point.

If he can be had for the late 2nd we have this year and next years 2nd, I would probably take the risk. But NE wants way more than that I am hearing, and i am not willing to give up 2 1sts for a guy who has played 2 games under an elite QB system.

This is not the first time a Brady backup look good. I am willing to take a risk, but only so far.

I'm sure we'd trade him for 2 2's and a 4th.

But I'm saying I believe in his potential to be a top 10 qb yes it was 3 games but I believe what I saw.

Let's say Jimmy is in between what I think he'd become and what you guys think he'd become. Since Hue is an alleged great qb coach let's say he settles in qb rank 10-15 let's say a better Andy Dalton. Would you not give up 2 2s and a 4th for that, while drafting Garret and another defensive player at 12. Than having the 33r pick again to get a defensive player or offensive line.

I'd like to know what type of player you guys think Jimmy G would become


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[Lee]

I'm sure we'd trade him for 2 2's and a 4th.

But I'm saying I believe in his potential to be a top 10 qb yes it was 3 games but I believe what I saw.

Let's say Jimmy is in between what I think he'd become and what you guys think he'd become. Since Hue is an alleged great qb coach let's say he settles in qb rank 10-15 let's say a better Andy Dalton. Would you not give up 2 2s and a 4th for that, while drafting Garret and another defensive player at 12. Than having the 33r pick again to get a defensive player or offensive line.

I'd like to know what type of player you guys think Jimmy G would become


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Would I give up 2 2nd's for an Andy Dalton level?

Sure, he is in the top 10-15 range.

But its a far jump from 3 starts to saying Jimmy is a top 10 or even 15 QB.

Its a huge risk and not for sure he is even a top 30 qb.

Hoyer, Mallet and Cassell all looked good in his Limited time in NE, but all proved to be less than a top 30 QB

Hoyer might have looked the best of the group and we have already tried that and moved on as a franchise.

Cassell had a full year, threw for almost 4,000 yards 64% completion, 21/11 td to int and a very respectful 89.4 QB rating. But then went to KC and looked like trash most of the time.

Its a huge risk, I agree Jimmy looks the best, but we have been fooled as a league by this before.

 

[Soda]

Its a huge risk, I agree Jimmy looks the best, but we have been fooled as a league by this before.

Right. I'd be pissed if the league isn't de-sensitized to the "we've got something really special here, trust me" schtick that comes from the NE front office & their drones in the media.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Here's why I support going after Jimmy G aggressively: While we can't be sure he is certainly a top 10 QB, I don't see a QB in this draft who is certain to be a starter in 2017, let alone vying for top 10.

Quarterbacks are such an unfinished product entering the NFL from college. The spread system is vastly different than pro sets. The most successful two young QBs recently were Darek Carr - whose brother David was an NFL starter before becoming his personal coach - and Carson Wentz - whose college coach ran a pro style offense in a small conference.

With Garoppolo, there's development in place. It's like hitting the fast forward button on the development Hue would be forced to do with a rookie pick by two or three years.

 

[Soda]

Here's why I support going after Jimmy G aggressively: While we can't be sure he is certainly a top 10 QB, I don't see a QB in this draft who is certain to be a starter in 2017, let alone vying for top 10.

Quarterbacks are such an unfinished product entering the NFL from college. The spread system is vastly different than pro sets. Theost successful two young QBs recently were Darek Carr - whose brother David was an NFL starter before becoming his personal coach - and Carson Wentz - whose college coach ran a pro style offense in a small conference.

With Garoppolo, there's development in place. It's like hitting the fast forward button on the development Hue would be forced to do with a rookie pick by two or three years.

I don't think you're off-base on this. I feel like the question is: At what price do you make that trade? What do you think Keys?

 

[CBBI]

Top 10 based on what?

And do we really know he is on the market?

Brady is 39, they have Jimmy under contract for 1 more year, then can franchise him for 2 if he wont sign long term before the stupid 3rd year.

I think you are going to have to blow away NE with an offer, I think despite what Brady is saying he has maybe 3 years after this left, probably 2, as Barkley says, Father Time is undefeated.

Totally agree on the Father Time comment, but assuming Brady doesn't retire and doesn't have a dramatic drop in play, he's set to make 22M in 2018 and another 22M in 2019.

Realistically speaking, it would be very difficult for the Patriots to afford to keep Brady at that salary AND place a 25M dollar franchise tag on their backup QB. And you're talking about them doing that two years in a row? Seems unlikely.

 

[Ocelot]

And do we really know he is on the market?

Brady is 39, they have Jimmy under contract for 1 more year, then can franchise him for 2 if he wont sign long term before the stupid 3rd year.

I think you are going to have to blow away NE with an offer, I think despite what Brady is saying he has maybe 3 years after this left, probably 2, as Barkley says, Father Time is undefeated.

I think there have been multiple reports that NE is listening to offers for him. Most recently I think Rapaport said they were looking for a first rounder, and previously it was reported the price would be in the range of 2 2nd's. So, it sounds like he's available. Obviously reports aren't 100% but we don't really have anything else to go off of.

Steep price either way, but if it's 2nd rounders the Browns have an extra in this year and next years draft. Jimmy G for the Titans pick and the lower of next years 2nds... doesn't strike me as the worst value for what may be the highest ceiling QB available this offseason.

 

[CBBI]

Another thing to consider in regards to Garoppolo is Belichick's age.

Bill's about to turn 65. If the Pats win the Super Bowl this year, he's got the all-time record for most rings as a coach. If Bill thinks HE only has 2-3 years left or if he's already decided to tie his own retirement to Brady's, then it could make sense for them to maximize the time the two of them have left by getting the best offer they can for Jimmy G.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I don't think you're off-base on this. I feel like the question is: At what price do you make that trade? What do you think Keys?

For me personally, the maximum offer I'd want to put out is both of this year's 2nds. That's if multiple other teams are driving up the price. If other teams are going in another direction (draft, Romo, etc.) I would try to keep it to a second this year and the third rounder. Patriots know the Browns pick next year will be high again, but they want players for a run in 2017. Multiple picks this year is actually a point of strength for the Browns.

 

[TwoPistols]

Here's why I support going after Jimmy G aggressively: While we can't be sure he is certainly a top 10 QB, I don't see a QB in this draft who is certain to be a starter in 2017, let alone vying for top 10.

Quarterbacks are such an unfinished product entering the NFL from college. The spread system is vastly different than pro sets. The most successful two young QBs recently were Darek Carr - whose brother David was an NFL starter before becoming his personal coach - and Carson Wentz - whose college coach ran a pro style offense in a small conference.

With Garoppolo, there's development in place. It's like hitting the fast forward button on the development Hue would be forced to do with a rookie pick by two or three years.

I was trying to write something similar to this but don't know how to translate thoughts to words. I don't lean strongly one way or the other on Jimmy G, but I think you have to look at the alternatives. The Browns could sign someone like Tyrod, who is a relatively known commodity with a mediocre ceiling, and will be in the 15-25ish best QB range. They would compete but ultimately be trying to upgrade at QB.

Since there is no bonafide QB prospect in this draft worth taking high, they could take a chance on someone like Mahomes (high ceiling developmental prospect), or make another Kessler-like pick with Dobbs and hope he develops. You still don't have the QB position solved if you do this and are putting it on the backburner for another year or two.

They could choose to not do anything at QB and wait to go all out in the draft for one next year, just like how many thought Watson would be the guy this year. Just draft defense and offensive line and give the incoming QB in 2018 a great foundation to work with.

Or they could, trade two 2nd rounders in a draft where they have a plethora of picks, and like Keys said, fast track the "development" of their QB like we would expect in 2-3 years from Mahomes or Dobbs. The good thing about Jimmy G is that there is a lot of unknown in him. Worse case scenario, he turns out to be Brian Hoyer, and he helps the Browns win some games until teams start to figure him out. Would he really be that much worse than Tyrod in this instance? Then if he is actually a very good QB, the Browns stole him for 2 2nd round picks in a league where teams trade multiple 1sts to even get a chance at the best QB prospects in drafts.

 

[Lee]

I think there have been multiple reports that NE is listening to offers for him. Most recently I think Rapaport said they were looking for a first rounder, and previously it was reported the price would be in the range of 2 2nd's. So, it sounds like he's available. Obviously reports aren't 100% but we don't really have anything else to go off of.

Steep price either way, but if it's 2nd rounders the Browns have an extra in this year and next years draft. Jimmy G for the Titans pick and the lower of next years 2nds... doesn't strike me as the worst value for what may be the highest ceiling QB available this offseason.

I agree with this. Lower 2nd, next years 3rd? Something like that.

But to my biggest original point, its a risk, no way to gurantee he is anything more than another Brady Backup at this point.

But we need a qb, and drafting one 1st overall doesnt seem likely this year. So other ways of getting one, sign Tyrod, trading for Jimmy on a reasonable trade, need to be pursued.

 

[Lee]

Here's why I support going after Jimmy G aggressively: While we can't be sure he is certainly a top 10 QB, I don't see a QB in this draft who is certain to be a starter in 2017, let alone vying for top 10.

Quarterbacks are such an unfinished product entering the NFL from college. The spread system is vastly different than pro sets. The most successful two young QBs recently were Darek Carr - whose brother David was an NFL starter before becoming his personal coach - and Carson Wentz - whose college coach ran a pro style offense in a small conference.

With Garoppolo, there's development in place. It's like hitting the fast forward button on the development Hue would be forced to do with a rookie pick by two or three years.

This is where I am at too. We need to do something. Dont want to overpay for Jimmy, and i am not ready to anoint him a great qb, but I am ready to try if we can pry him reasonably from NE.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I agree with this. Lower 2nd, next years 3rd? Something like that.

But to my biggest original point, its a risk, no way to gurantee he is anything more than another Brady Backup at this point.

But we need a qb, and drafting one 1st overall doesnt seem likely this year. So other ways of getting one, sign Tyrod, trading for Jimmy on a reasonable trade, need to be pursued.

Here's the issue I have with equating a Tyrod Taylor signing with a trade for Garoppolo: They couldn't be more diametrically opposed quarterbacks. Garoppolo has been trained in the same system as Hoyer - get through the reads fast in the pocket, find the mismatch, deliver the ball in rhythm. The difference is Garoppolo has a much better arm and better NFL body.

Taylor is the product of Roman's system that features creative running game packages and playaction out of those packages. I like Roman's system to watch, but it doesn't develop a pro quarterback to thrive in a pro style offense. There are a lot of similarities in how he approaches his reads and how RG3 reads a defense. It's one or two reads then take off running.