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Can anyone find/advise on an expected opening date for, well, anything included in Phase II of the East Bank?
I know a lot of this was supposed to be completed by June/July with soft openings throughout the summer?
- Toby Keith's
- Punch Bowl Social? (assuming this is at least 1-2 years away)
- Flip Side
- Big Bang
- FWD
- Crop Rocks
- Crop
I know a lot of this was supposed to be completed by June/July with soft openings throughout the summer?
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As far I know, everything should be open by August. I know when I looked at the apartments, they were going to start moving people in end of July.
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Bump.
Flats Update:
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Flats Update:
- Big Bang Dueling Piano Bar - Opens in two Weeks
- FWD Day/Night Club - Opens 8/14/15
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- Alley Cats - Opens early August:
Alley Cats set to open on Flats East Bank
http://www.19actionnews.com/story/29598428/alley-cats-set-to-open-on-flats-east-bank
CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) -
Have you been down by the Flats lately? Many are blown away by the East Bank reboot.
It's not a place many people have frequented for nearly 20 years. If you don't drive down there often, you may not have noticed all that's happening. But boaters and boardwalk lovers will be down there a lot more in just a matter of days.
"This is the 15th restaurant I've done. So you sort of understand the progress and how it works," said Chef Zack Bruell on his latest restaurant, Alley Cats, opening soon on the East Bank of the Flats.
He calls the oyster bar a "shore restaurant" that will have lots of Southern California influences, a casual setting, and lower price points than his other establishments.
Bruell designed the place to take full advantage of every inch of potential riverfront dining, with an enclosed patio, private dining room and 110 seats inside the open-air dining room.
He says they had to get it up fast to make up for the significant investment they made to build the large space.
"This project started at the beginning of April 18. We built this within three months. That's insane!" he said.
The last pieces of the puzzle are the road leading to the restaurant and the parking lot. Then Bruell's followers and oyster fans can stark shucking and showing the rest of the city that the Flats are back!
- Crop Rocks - ?
- Crop - ?
- Toby Keith's - ?
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I think that was a Tennessee location that the staff and restaurant manager ran into the ground. But I'm not totally sure. Hopefully doesn't have bigger implications.
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More like the Republican National Convention in 16.. Lol. But ya, it should be.
The City/County mandated that public projects started prior to then in the City (Public Square renovation & East Bank project) are to be completed prior to the Convention.
It is part of the reason the pedestrian bridge from Mall C to the lake got no bids; too short a timeline. Now, the pedestrian bridge went back out to bid without a 2016 mandatory completion date and it will get more bids on a realistic timeline.
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Not sure if the one in Cincinnati closed but that place is always a ghost town. Huge location too.
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Read this one today and it's going to be a while, but something significant will happen in this location.
New York Spaghetti House could be razed, as Geis plots downtown Cleveland project
CLEVELAND, Ohio – The New York Spaghetti House building, where a family-owned restaurant operated from 1927 to 2001, could be demolished and replaced by a parking lot – though bigger development plans are simmering.
An affiliate of the Geis Cos. of Streetsboro bought the dilapidated building, a chalet-style front attached to late-1800s parsonage, in late June. On Thursday, the Cleveland Landmarks Commission voted unanimously to give Geis a certificate of appropriateness for demolition, contingent on various approvals from the Cleveland City Planning Commission and the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Geis hopes to raze the 6,000-square-foot former restaurant and expand the neighboring 30-space parking lot by 35 spaces. But Brandon Kline, a senior designer for the group of real estate companies, said the cleared site eventually will be part of a broader project in downtown's Gateway District.
"We're not in the parking business," Kline told the Landmarks Commission, which has oversight of historic districts and protected buildings.
The Geis Cos. hopes to expand a parking lot on the New York Spaghetti House site, but the developer says parking isn't a long-term plan for the high-profile downtown property.
The owner and redeveloper of the former Ameritrust complex on East Ninth Street, Geis controls two parking garages just north of the empty Spaghetti House. Kline said the restaurant property, at 2173 E. Ninth St., could be combined with the site of the smaller garage, at 1016 Prospect Ave., to create a development footprint touching both Prospect and Ninth.
He was short on details about Geis' long-term plans. Developer Greg Geis, who leads the companies with his brother, Fred, wouldn't share specifics in an email exchange this week. But Geis wants the city's permission to use the Spaghetti House property as parking for up to five years. So a project might not be imminent.
"Fifty percent of the purchase price was cash equity that we would like to get out of the property, that we put in," Kline said, referring to the $1.5 million that Geis paid for the real estate June 30. "We are very motivated to get our own money out of this in the future development."
Citing the restaurant's ramshackle state, the Landmarks Commission didn't offer much resistance to the demolition request. The building received landmark designation in 1988, when it still belonged to the Brigotti family. The Brigottis closed their restaurant in 2001, after more than 70 years.
In 2002, they sold the building to parking-lot operator Lou Frangos, records show.
Different investors revived the Spaghetti House from 2004 to 2007. A follow-up plan to open a sports-themed eatery never amounted to anything. Since then, the building has languished. Don Petit, a city staff person assigned to the Landmarks Commission, described the first floor as "gutted."
Kline pointed out deteriorated wood, rotting joints and abundant mold. "The building has been completely neglected by the previous ownership group," he said. "In my opinion, the historic fabric that once was there is pretty much all gone."
Real estate records show that Frangos controlled the Spaghetti House until June of 2014, when he sold the property to a company tied to his brother Michael Frangos, the chief executive officer of Rascal House pizza. That sale didn't lead to any notable improvements at the building.
In a bit of irony, another Frangos brother – Gus, who now leads the Cuyahoga Land Bank – was the councilman who shepherded the legislation to make the Spaghetti House a city landmark in the late 1980s. That designation was meant to protect a building that now appears headed for the scrap heap.
Kline said the property is just too damaged to save. The Geis Cos. gave the city a feasibility analysis that shows a restoration project might cost more than $2.4 million. To make a new restaurant deal work in the existing building, a landlord would have to charge exorbitant rent, Kline said.
Tom Yablonsky, executive director of the Historic Gateway Neighborhood Corp., said the nonprofit supports Geis's long-term plans and wouldn't fight the Spaghetti House demolition.
But, he added, "we are concerned that this local landmark is in a serious state of disrepair and is not recoverable as an economic asset; however, the current owner is not responsible for this condition." Yablonsky suggested that the city consider requiring annual inspections for landmark buildings and setting minimum maintenance requirements for historic properties.
The Landmarks Commission typically requests a site plan from developers who want to raze buildings. And in downtown Cleveland, parking is rarely an acceptable site plan, since the city bans demolitions in the central business district for new or expanded lots. Property owners can get around those restrictions in a few ways, such as applying to operate a temporary lot, with a one-year term, or making a demolition case to the planning commission based on a building's poor condition and economic obsolescence.
Geis expects to appear at a planning commission meeting in early August and to seek a variance from the Board of Zoning Appeals. The developer needs both bodies' approvals to start demolition. The Landmarks Commission thumbs-up was the first step.
"It's not the building it was 50 years ago, in its heyday," Petit said as the commission prepared to vote. "I wish it were, but I think its time has come. The question is just what replaces it and how do we deal with the site afterwards."
New York Spaghetti House could be razed, as Geis plots downtown Cleveland project
CLEVELAND, Ohio – The New York Spaghetti House building, where a family-owned restaurant operated from 1927 to 2001, could be demolished and replaced by a parking lot – though bigger development plans are simmering.
An affiliate of the Geis Cos. of Streetsboro bought the dilapidated building, a chalet-style front attached to late-1800s parsonage, in late June. On Thursday, the Cleveland Landmarks Commission voted unanimously to give Geis a certificate of appropriateness for demolition, contingent on various approvals from the Cleveland City Planning Commission and the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Geis hopes to raze the 6,000-square-foot former restaurant and expand the neighboring 30-space parking lot by 35 spaces. But Brandon Kline, a senior designer for the group of real estate companies, said the cleared site eventually will be part of a broader project in downtown's Gateway District.
"We're not in the parking business," Kline told the Landmarks Commission, which has oversight of historic districts and protected buildings.
The Geis Cos. hopes to expand a parking lot on the New York Spaghetti House site, but the developer says parking isn't a long-term plan for the high-profile downtown property.
The owner and redeveloper of the former Ameritrust complex on East Ninth Street, Geis controls two parking garages just north of the empty Spaghetti House. Kline said the restaurant property, at 2173 E. Ninth St., could be combined with the site of the smaller garage, at 1016 Prospect Ave., to create a development footprint touching both Prospect and Ninth.
He was short on details about Geis' long-term plans. Developer Greg Geis, who leads the companies with his brother, Fred, wouldn't share specifics in an email exchange this week. But Geis wants the city's permission to use the Spaghetti House property as parking for up to five years. So a project might not be imminent.
"Fifty percent of the purchase price was cash equity that we would like to get out of the property, that we put in," Kline said, referring to the $1.5 million that Geis paid for the real estate June 30. "We are very motivated to get our own money out of this in the future development."
Citing the restaurant's ramshackle state, the Landmarks Commission didn't offer much resistance to the demolition request. The building received landmark designation in 1988, when it still belonged to the Brigotti family. The Brigottis closed their restaurant in 2001, after more than 70 years.
In 2002, they sold the building to parking-lot operator Lou Frangos, records show.
Different investors revived the Spaghetti House from 2004 to 2007. A follow-up plan to open a sports-themed eatery never amounted to anything. Since then, the building has languished. Don Petit, a city staff person assigned to the Landmarks Commission, described the first floor as "gutted."
Kline pointed out deteriorated wood, rotting joints and abundant mold. "The building has been completely neglected by the previous ownership group," he said. "In my opinion, the historic fabric that once was there is pretty much all gone."
Real estate records show that Frangos controlled the Spaghetti House until June of 2014, when he sold the property to a company tied to his brother Michael Frangos, the chief executive officer of Rascal House pizza. That sale didn't lead to any notable improvements at the building.
In a bit of irony, another Frangos brother – Gus, who now leads the Cuyahoga Land Bank – was the councilman who shepherded the legislation to make the Spaghetti House a city landmark in the late 1980s. That designation was meant to protect a building that now appears headed for the scrap heap.
Kline said the property is just too damaged to save. The Geis Cos. gave the city a feasibility analysis that shows a restoration project might cost more than $2.4 million. To make a new restaurant deal work in the existing building, a landlord would have to charge exorbitant rent, Kline said.
Tom Yablonsky, executive director of the Historic Gateway Neighborhood Corp., said the nonprofit supports Geis's long-term plans and wouldn't fight the Spaghetti House demolition.
But, he added, "we are concerned that this local landmark is in a serious state of disrepair and is not recoverable as an economic asset; however, the current owner is not responsible for this condition." Yablonsky suggested that the city consider requiring annual inspections for landmark buildings and setting minimum maintenance requirements for historic properties.
The Landmarks Commission typically requests a site plan from developers who want to raze buildings. And in downtown Cleveland, parking is rarely an acceptable site plan, since the city bans demolitions in the central business district for new or expanded lots. Property owners can get around those restrictions in a few ways, such as applying to operate a temporary lot, with a one-year term, or making a demolition case to the planning commission based on a building's poor condition and economic obsolescence.
Geis expects to appear at a planning commission meeting in early August and to seek a variance from the Board of Zoning Appeals. The developer needs both bodies' approvals to start demolition. The Landmarks Commission thumbs-up was the first step.
"It's not the building it was 50 years ago, in its heyday," Petit said as the commission prepared to vote. "I wish it were, but I think its time has come. The question is just what replaces it and how do we deal with the site afterwards."
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One by my house in Mesa closed, but they opened one in North Scottsdale.