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Cleveland Indians Offseason News, Notes, and Rumors

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T w e n t y - F o u r .

24. Years. Old. 24.

Born = May 15th, 1987
Arbitration Eligible = 2014
Free Agent eligible = 2017

We have this kid for another 6 seasons. He's making the minimum of 411K through 2014.

What's not to like? :)

His offensive development. For one...

Hope he gets it going.
 
From MLBTR:

The Indians face major decisions in center field and in the rotation this offseason. GM Chris Antonetti begins the winter with the expectation that payroll will rise following a promising 2011 season.

Guaranteed Contracts

Travis Hafner, DH: $15.75MM through 2012
Ubaldo Jimenez, SP: $5.2MM through 2012

Arbitration Eligible Players (estimated salaries)

Justin Masterson, SP: $3.6MM
Jack Hannahan, UT IF: $1.3MM
Asdrubal Cabrera, SS: $4.8MM
Shin-Soo Choo, OF: $4.3MM
Chris Perez, RP: $4.2MM
Joe Smith, RP: $1.6MM
Rafael Perez, RP: $1.9MM

Contract Options

Grady Sizemore, OF: $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout (no Elias ranking)
Fausto Carmona, SP: $7MM club option (would be arbitration eligible if Indians decline option)

Free Agents

Kosuke Fukudome (unranked OF), Jim Thome (unranked DH), Chad Durbin (unranked RP)

The Indians' offseason begins with a pair of difficult decisions for GM Chris Antonetti. Cleveland has options for Grady Sizemore and Fausto Carmona, two of the club's longest tenured players. Neither one is guaranteed to return in 2012 and the Indians' decisions regarding the pair will shape the rest of their offseason.

The Indians have a $7MM option for Carmona, who would be arbitration eligible if the team declines the option. MLBTR projects Carmona would earn about $7.8MM if the Indians declined his option and went to arbitration with him, so it's the option or nothing in 2012.

Carmona doesn't strike many opponents out -- Indians starters as a group placed 27th in MLB in strikeout rate -- but there were some positives in 2011. He pitched 188 2/3 innings and though his 5.25 ERA wasn't pretty, his xFIP of 4.17 and SIERA of 4.18 suggest his ugly ERA may have been due to bad luck. Carmona had a 54.8% ground ball rate in 2011, so he could have trade value to teams in homer-friendly parks, like the Rockies, Rangers and Yankees, even if the Indians pick up his option and guarantee him a $7MM salary. I expect Cleveland to pick the option up and given how difficult it is to obtain starting pitching, that decision would be justifiable.

Regardless of how the Indians handle Carmona's option, they'll probably pursue starting pitching depth. Ubaldo Jimenez, Justin Masterson and Josh Tomlin will lead the rotation, possibly with Carmona. David Huff, Zach McAllister and Jeanmar Gomez provide manager Manny Acta with internal alternatives and Antonetti will likely add an arm or two from outside of the organization.

Sizemore's knees have limited him to 104 total games in the past two seasons, so exercising his $9MM club option ($500K buyout) would be a bet on Sizemore's health. Why would a small-market team even consider such a gamble? From 2005-08, Sizemore combined power, speed and on-base skills as one of baseball's premier center fielders. When he's healthy, he's a force, but the Indians don't seem confortable paying him $9MM in 2012.

Sizemore offers more offensive upside than free agent alternatives such as Rick Ankiel, Cody Ross and former Indians center fielder Coco Crisp. The Indians already have 24-year-old Michael Brantley, who posted a .702 OPS in 114 games and spent considerable time in center field. Rookie Ezequiel Carrera played 55 games in center, but had an OPS of just .613. If the Indians decide to pursue experience and certainty in center field and are unimpressed by the available free agents, they could turn to trade targets such as Angel Pagan and B.J. Upton.

The Indians may pursue corner outfielders, regardless of how they handle Sizemore's option. Right-handed hitting outfielders such as Josh Willingham and Michael Cuddyer could appeal to the team. Sizemore, Brantley, Carrera and Shin-Soo Choo all bat from the left side and the Indians lineup also includes three other left-handed hitting regulars, so they may pursue right-handed hitting outfielders if possible. One such player, Matt Murton, hit .311/.339/.423 in Japan in 2011 and could be available this offseason. He just turned 30 and boasts a .788 OPS as a Major Leaguer, so Antonetti may decide to offer an incentive-based deal should Murton become available.

Jim Thome intends to play in 2012 and though he made a triumphant return to Cleveland in 2011, a new deal seems unlikely, since the Indians already have a left-handed hitting designated hitter in Travis Hafner.

First base presents more uncertainty for the Indians. Carlos Santana is a regular contributor, but Matt LaPorta hasn't produced enough at the plate in two-plus seasons and Shelley Duncan probably isn't an everyday first baseman. The Indians could pursue free agents such as Casey Kotchman if they're losing confidence in LaPorta as their primary option at first.

Second baseman Jason Kipnis and third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall have the minor league pedigree LaPorta boasted a few seasons ago. They'll enter the 2012 season with a chance to build on the successes of their rookie seasons. Meanwhile, 24-year-old Cord Phelps is another homegrown option on the infield and the versatile Jack Hannahan is also under team control.

The Indians have just $17.7MM in guaranteed contracts for 2012, but that figure will rise to the $40MM range if the club retains all of its arbitration eligible players, as expected. If the Indians pick up the options for Sizemore and Carmona, payroll would be over $55MM before accounting for minimum salary players or potential acquisitions. Antonetti says he expects the Indians to exceed this year's $49MM payroll and accommodating both Sizemore and Carmona without a substantial increase would be difficult.

Joe Smith, Rafael Perez, Tony Sipp and Vinnie Pestano will return to a bullpen that will mostly remain intact. Closer Chris Perez struggled down the stretch after making his first All-Star team, so he'll look to pitch as effectively as he did in 2010. Nick Hagadone, the 25-year-old southpaw who came to Cleveland in the Victor Martinez deal, posted a 3.35 ERA with 9.9 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 at Triple-A before making nine appearances as a September callup. He could be ready for a season-long stint in the Indians' 2012 bullpen and while there's no guarantee he'll replicate his minor league success, he deserves a shot.

Once the option decisions have been finalized and free agency has slowed down, Antonetti could explore extensions for Santana and Asdrubal Cabrera. Cabrera is closer to free agency than Santana, so the Indians would likely prioritize an extension for their shortstop. It's unlikely agent Scott Boras would encourage an extension for Choo, whose bargaining power dipped after a frustrating season.

Antonetti's first offseason as the Indians' GM led to an extended playoff run. They'll enter the 2012 season with elevated expectations and, if the winter goes according to plan, depth in the rotation and answers in the outfield.
 
Like the idea of Matt Murton.

Would be a pretty solid low cost alternative. The Indians have always scouted Japan heavily.
 
I agree with going after Murton. The price won't be much, he fits a need, and he gets on base a lot. Something this team really needs.
 
Murton doesn't have alot of power and that was a big reason why he ping-ponged the way he did when he was stateside. Only mustering 17 HRs in a league with stadiums that have 250 ft. corners says something (in contrast, former Tribe farmhand Greg LaRocca, whose stateside high was 15, jacked 40 one season). I guess if they fail to sign a 1B or OF, he would be a consolation prize of sorts to bring in and compete for a job. He just never struck me as a guy who was strong in any one area.
 
Two decisions have to be made by Monday night, October 31st.

Sizemore = Option will be declined. The guy is full of himself by not wanting to redo his contract and extend it for two or three years with the Indians. He's forcing our hand. No way do we pick up that option.

Carmona = Option will be accepted for obvious reasons. He'd get more if we go to arbitration. Starting pitching is a limited commodity anyway.




Oh and btw; we signed catcher Luke Carlin to a minor league contract. World Series baby!!
 
92.3 just reported that Gradys option has been declined.
 
Sizemore is as good as gone... I honestly wouldn't have thought of him as someone who would do it for the money, but then comes the news that he's unwilling to renegotiate his contract, even though the Indians have paid him for basically nothing over the last 3 years. I just would have thought that he would have shown some gratitude and some selflessness towards the team that essentially raised him into an All-Star and Gold Glover, but I guess I was mistaken.
 
I understand letting Sizemore go, but they better have a trick up their sleeves. You don't trade away your two top pitching prospects for Jiminiez and then go into the season with the holes we have at 1B, OF and SP.

They significantly shortened the 'window' and need to be aggressive.
 
Sizemore isn't the one who declined the contract, the Tribe is. He didn't make the money decision- the Tribe did. And under what circumstances does he owe the Tribe a re-work? We could say they paid him the last two years for time he was injured- but the Tribe also got a total bargain on him for 4 years prior. So that talk goes both ways.

It made too much sense for his agent to NOT offer to renegotiate. Like it or not, Grady was gone after this year one way or the other. If he continued to be hurt, he was gone. If he got healthy and had an excellent year, he would be heading into FA for the first time, looking/needing to cash in on his first (and maybe last) chance at another longterm deal, and would be gone. For Grady, the writing was on the wall in Cleveland. It doesn't make sense for Grady to resign here for less money for just one year if he can work a similar deal with a team he would want to spend the rest of his career with.

That is what Grady is looking at- and I fully understand why his agent would happily enourage the Tribe to decline giving his client 9 million dollars. Best of luck to Grady, he left all he had on the field here. The entirity of the circumstances worked against him staying though, and really is a disappointing end to his time here.
 
Would anyone put it past the Dolans not to spend that 9mill elsewhere?
 
Two decisions have to be made by Monday night, October 31st.

Sizemore = Option will be declined. The guy is full of himself by not wanting to redo his contract and extend it for two or three years with the Indians. He's forcing our hand. No way do we pick up that option.

Carmona = Option will be accepted for obvious reasons. He'd get more if we go to arbitration. Starting pitching is a limited commodity anyway.




Oh and btw; we signed catcher Luke Carlin to a minor league contract. World Series baby!!

Yeeaaaa, what an asshole for not accepting less money when he can go play for someone else.
 
Yeeaaaa, what an asshole for not accepting less money when he can go play for someone else.

Who is going to pay him that kind of money to be a 4th OF? The teams that he could start for aren't going to pay him that kind of money.
 
Would anyone put it past the Dolans not to spend that 9mill elsewhere?

The payroll was always going to end up around $65-70 million. It depends if you counted that $9 million as part of that final number or not.
 
Who is going to pay him that kind of money to be a 4th OF? The teams that he could start for aren't going to pay him that kind of money.

You honestly think nobody is going to pay him as a starter?

And who said anything about him getting 9 million from someone else, because it certainly wasn't me. Although he'll get more than he would here.

How delusional can you possibly be?
 

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