Cleveland Indians Spring Training Thread

[Huber.]

lots of bravery in this thread going on.

 

[AZ_]

will see

you have been wrong before like you overestimating the haul for that top 85 prospect Rizzo

again your estimation of "good" rivals cmstophe and other baseball minds around here

at least you didn't use the your favorite term that best describes your postings - mediocre

Speaking of Rizzo's haul...Andrew Cashner has been clocked as high as 104mph out here in Arizona.

Looks like a future closer, not a bad haul.

Anyway, way to cop out on your Lopez argument. Keep holding on to that one good season he had and continue to ignore seven others.

If you have no counter argument, it's best not to just cop out and say "will see".

First of all, it's 'we'll see'...not will.

Secondly, come up with something better than 10 spring games.

Your point was retarded, be a man and admit it.

 

[SOA]

Your point was retarded, be a man and admit it.

you aren't even accurate he had a number of "good" seasons

his first year starting in 2006 he made the all-star team , he hit .282 with 10HR and 79 RBIs - i'd say that was "good"
his second year starting in 2007 , he hit .252 with 11HR and 62 RBIs - may be not good but better than what we have been getting at 2b
his third year starting in 2008 , he hit .297 with 17HR and 89 RBIs - i'd say that was good
his fourth year starting in 2009 , he hit .272 with 25HR and 96 RBIs - this is his ONLY good season??????
his fifth year starting in 2010, he hit .239 with 10 HR and 58 RBIs - his worst season as a starter this season

in 2011 he bounced between stints at COL and FLA

your point he only had 1 good season is wrong

my point is
- he is having a good spring
- he has put up better numbers at the major league level than Hannahan
- he could be valuable backup IF finds the stroke he had in Seattle
- he is only 28

since you haven't sacked up yet about over estimating Rizzo, I don't expect much from uyou other than your usual hot air

until Cashner does anything in SD you argument holds no water because you stated he was worth a frontline starter of the status of masterson or Ubaldo. Cashner isn't to that level yet and may never be

again way to hold out some hope for Lopez

at least Iam being optmistic , you are just being a dick

 

[AZ_]

His best season was a 766 OPS.

You're basically splitting hairs between he and Hannahan, and he's getting way too big to play 2B these days, so what he did as a 2B isn't really that important to me or anyone else for that matter.

But hey, seven years ago he made the All Star team with a 723 OPS...thats far and away better than Hannahan's 719 last year.

Make out Jose Lopez to be the man you'd like him to be, I'll stay here in reality with the average guy he is.

If he could play 2B or SS, I'd keep him...but as a corner IF? Meh, not worth paying him and Hannahan when they're MAYBE equal offensively (if Lopez improves dramatically) and he's far inferior defensively.

No sense in that.

 

[SOA]

I am splitting hairs?

the point is Hannahan has a career year and he is in a word you will understand "mediocre"

its not that Lopez will improve dramatically its more of a matter of him returning back to what he did in Seattle

"Not too long ago, he was an All-Star in this league," Acta said. "He went to winter ball and worked very hard to get back to where he was. He's in a lot better shape than when I saw him in Seattle.
"He gives us that right-handed bat that can play first, second and third. There is still two weeks to go, but he's looking very good right now."

I'll put my money on Acta's opinion rather than your bias

if Kotchman can have a return to form year last year why can't Lopez?

what he has shown in spring training MIGHT indicate that . . .maybe

is that so fucking hard to get through your thick head

and yeah his OPS is not great because he doesn't walk, but he has better power than Kotchman and Hannahan and he bats RH

the thing that kills me is you prop up Casey Kotchman who has only had two decent seasons (last year and 2007) while discounting anything Lopez has done

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

You're splitting hairs between who has more power. Lopez has SLIGHTLY more power than Hannahan, and Hannahan has significantly better defense.

Lopez is a good bench hitter and I'd consider him to be quite a good option to bring up from AAA or be the last guy on the bench. The problem is where do you draw the line between defense and offense? We can throw Jason Donald into this argument as well because even if he did learn how to play the outfield, his offense is pretty below average. If you want to include another possible corner bench/fringe starter, we can also look at Duncan, whose power is significantly better than Lopez.

Really, Lopez has no position and his bat is not really good enough to make up for his lack of defense. I'd keep him over Donald because Donald has such a poor, light hitting bat and his defense is not nearly as valuable as Kotchman's defense. Then again, who is going to be our backup SS/2nd guy? Which is why I'd expect Lopez to go to Columbus because of the value of having a guy to play those positions at all, despite the fact I totally disagree.

 

[SOA]

I'd say his power and ability to hit for average is MORE than slightly better than Hannahan IF he is in better than shape than his last stint in Seattle, which according to Acta he is

I see him as 2nd backup utility IF behind Donald if they don't feel Chisenhall is ready out of spring training also if Kotchman struggles or is hurt

If Kotchman and Hannahan struggle offensively , I see Lopez taking their place

lets see what he does the last two weeks of spring training, its apparent by his comments Acta is pleased by what he has seen thus far.

and Thanks AmherstCasvFan for providing something substantive to this thread

 

[elcheato]

I am splitting hairs?

the point is Hannahan has a career year and he is in a word you will understand "mediocre"

its not that Lopez will improve dramatically its more of a matter of him returning back to what he did in Seattle

"Not too long ago, he was an All-Star in this league," Acta said. "He went to winter ball and worked very hard to get back to where he was. He's in a lot better shape than when I saw him in Seattle.
"He gives us that right-handed bat that can play first, second and third. There is still two weeks to go, but he's looking very good right now."

I'll put my money on Acta's opinion rather than your bias

if Kotchman can have a return to form year last year why can't Lopez?

what he has shown in spring training MIGHT indicate that . . .maybe

is that so fucking hard to get through your thick head

and yeah his OPS is not great because he doesn't walk, but he has better power than Kotchman and Hannahan and he bats RH

the thing that kills me is you prop up Casey Kotchman who has only had two decent seasons (last year and 2007) while discounting anything Lopez has done

So you're saying there is no bias in Acta's opinion of his own players? That makes a lot of sense.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I'd say his power and ability to hit for average is MORE than slightly better than Hannahan IF he is in better than shape than his last stint in Seattle, which according to Acta he is

I see him as 2nd backup utility IF behind Donald if they don't feel Chisenhall is ready out of spring training also if Kotchman struggles or is hurt

If Kotchman and Hannahan struggle offensively , I see Lopez taking their place

lets see what he does the last two weeks of spring training, its apparent by his comments Acta is please what he has seen thus far

If he is back to his 09 average, then I'll be willing to listen. But wishing upon a star is not going to simply make it come true. Until then, Hannahan is going to be the better option.

 

[AZ_]

I hope Lopez tears it up at Columbus this year, I really do.

Not that I dont expect Kotchman to regress some, but Jose Lopez has been well below average for some time now.

Giving me coach speak as some kind of measuring stick, are you the only person on this board who doesn't realize what that is?

Hannahans contract is guaranteed, Lopez's is not.

They're relatively equal offensively and he's far inferior defensively.

Not a difficult decision.

 

[SOA]

They're relatively equal offensively and he's far inferior defensively.

Not a difficult decision.

you have ben wrong before

I'll agree with his defense , but he bats RH

he got jerked around his last year in Seattle .if he can return to his pre 2010 form we will be happy with the results

hannahan at best is a .250 hitter and a career .231 hitter while even with his troubles the last two years Lopez has a career .263 average

the pre 2010 Jose Lopez is an upgrade offensively over Hannahan

again I will believe Acta's estimation of what HE has seen thus far rather than others talent evaluations (or lack thereof)

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

pre 2010 Lopez is not that big of an offensive upgrade from Hannahan now, RH or not. Certainly not enough to take away from the fact that Lopez cannot play defense at 3rd base, let alone SS or 2nd.

 

[I.K.W.T]

Indians cut EZEQUIEL!! Thank goodness that slap hitting, non flyball catching bitch is gone.

 

[BMAN]

He was sent to minor league camp, he wasn't actually cut..

 

[SOA]

can someone post a link to todays assignments