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How much would you trade for the draft rights to Otto Porter?

  • Just pick him #1.

    Votes: 5 7.0%
  • Not interested in trading up to get him.

    Votes: 25 35.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33 and Kings (201_) pick

    Votes: 24 33.8%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, and Grizz (2015) pick

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings and Grizz pick

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz, and Heat (2015) pick

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, and Cavs (2014 top-5 protected) pick

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz and Cavs (2014 top-5 protected) pick

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Trade #19, #31, #33, Kings, Grizz, Heat, and Cavs (2014) protected pick

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Trade every available pick the Cavs can possibly trade over the next 5 years.

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • Total voters
    71
  • Poll closed .
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You could have said the same thing about Kyrie two years ago compared to other guys in the 2011 draft. Remind me how that worked out.

Elite athleticism is nice, but it isn't everything. Skill and IQ go a long way toward creating a star player.

Kyrie has absurd lateral quickness. His ability to move side to side helps him overcome the lack of God-given straightline speed. Also, his lack of athleticism is overcome somewhat by his ability to handle the basketball and separate from his defender.

Porter doesn't have that, his lack of lateral quickness will prevent him from consistently beating more athletic and longer defenders than what he saw at Georgetown. I'm certainly not going to fault him for not having Kyrie's handles to overcome that, but he doesn't have that to help him overcome those shortcomings.
 
So can we trade up to grab both Porter and Oladipo, and then just Frankenstein them together?
 
Does anyone remember last year the reports of the Cavs? I am pretty firmly convinced that we are, like I said elsewhere, Scouting differently and with a plan. (I compared to Herb Brooks, and the scene in "Miracle" where he has the team written out before the first day of tryouts because since he got the job all he did was figure out a way to make a TEAM). I think we dont care much about the Combine based on well not trying out Dion, Kyrie not participating, Thompson (not projected close to 3, and well working out). So we have to be confident in ourselves.

I am asking in a sense IIRC there were sure things we were going to do. Then maybe the last day Dion Waiters got mentioned. I don't doubt that again at all. Chris Grant probably already has his list and will be watching for things most others don't.
 
Combine the two and you have a rich man's MKG, no?
You mean an MKG that can shoot? That is a pretty decent player. Oladipo destroys MKG athletically though.
 
I usually let your syntax errors slide, but what the hell happened there Lee?

I try to sneak typing in between work. I probably should do a better job of proof reading my posts for those trying to read them.
 
Combine the two and you have a rich man's MKG, no?

You combine the two and what you get is a hell of a lot better than MKG.

Olapido is an elite athlete who lacks basketball skills. Porter is a smart, skilled player who lacks athleticism. Combine the two and you basically have a consensus number one pick.
 
Rich man's = better version of, right?
 
I'm sick of all this "wow factor" talk when it comes to prospects. Who cares? Are the Grizzlies full of "wow"? All that matters is whether the guy can play basketball in the NBA or not.

If Porter projects to be the most successful player available, he should be picked, if not, he shouldn't.
 
You combine the two and what you get is a hell of a lot better than MKG.

Olapido is an elite athlete who lacks basketball skills. Porter is a smart, skilled player who lacks athleticism. Combine the two and you basically have a consensus number one pick.
I wouldn't say Oladipo lacks basketball skills. He has a very nice jumper and his handles are being vastly underrated. That is a knock that stays with him even though he made massive strides in that department. Porter is the better passer and is probable more dangerous moving without the basketball, but both are very good there.
 
Call me crazy, but I see Porter's weaknesses the exact opposite way.

In spite of not having a left hand, in spite of not being overwhelmingly strong or athletic, in spite of not having an elite handle, in spite of having a kind of funky looking jumper with a slow-ish release, etc, Porter dominated Big East play on both ends of the court as a 19 year old sophomore.

It's like, picture you're talking to a person who knows nothing about basketball and you're trying to explain why Kobe is one of the greatest of all time while CJ Miles is a journeyman playing 20 minutes a game for the Cavs. Sure, Kobe's a better passer, has a better handle, and even at the tail end of his career is probably more athletic than Miles. But none of those things really explain the difference between them. Kobe's just a natural...basketball is just woven into his genes at a higher level than for almost anyone else on the planet. Obviously Porter doesn't have much in common with Kobe in terms of his game, but if you ask why Porter was first team All-American, and how he was able to dominate games the way he did, my answer is the same...he's a prodigy. The game just comes naturally to him. When he's playing the game he's not thinking, he's just doing.

I didn't mean to make this a stats oriented post, but one stat in particular stands out to me. In his last 10 games, he averaged 38.1 minutes per game, and exactly 1 turnover per game. And this is as a 19 year old who was the focal point of ever defense every night. And this is in spite of the fact that he shouldered an even larger than usual load on offense over this span, averaging 12.2 shot attempts, 7.1 free throw attempts, and 3.1 assists compared to season averages of 11.3, 5.1, and 2.7. Highlight reels don't really do justice to this sort of thing...from a highlight reel, you can only tell how good a player's good plays were, not how bad their bad plays were. Otto Porter rarely makes the wrong play.

This is the kind of thing that makes me think he's just scratching the surface of his potential. If by the sheer virtue of his basketball playing instincts, without a quick-trigger jumpshot, without a dazzling array of moves off the dribble, without using his left hand, without much muscle on his frame, he's one of the most effective players in college basketball, think how good he could be if he gets a quicker release, improves his handle, develops his left hand and puts on 20 pounds of muscle. And the game comes so naturally to him, and he's still so young that I'm pretty confident he'll be able to do most or all of those things in the next few years. That's the upside I see.
 
Porters very low turnover rate is definitely a massive positive. He still has a lot to develop, both physically and on the floor. If he can develop a left hand around the basket and in the key, I think his game has the potential to skyrocket. I keep bringing up bird, but he got away with being a below average athlete in a large part due to his high skill level and amazing off hand. You don't have to be an amazing athlete, but you do need a high skill level and I.Q.
 
The Spurs are another example of a team that is not athletic at all really, and look at them... Being fundamentally sound and smart can take you a long way.
 
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