Closer Look: Otto Porter

[Douglar]

I sort of see Porter as Shane Battier. Can hit a corner three, create some shots, defend multiple positions, and relies more on basketball IQ rather than raw athleticism. Nice player to have but not a player that will wow you.

While that comparison is going to be out there because Porter looks like he can do almost all of the all the stuff that Battier can do, I think there are several areas where Porter is better than Battier.

Porter is a crafty call handler and can beat one man off the dribble. That's not in Battier's arsenal.

Porter has a very strong pull up mid-range game. Battier isn't able to get himself into position to try that very often.

Porter also looks like he could be a significantly better rebounder. Battier's good at a lot of things, but he's an average rebounder for his size.

Here's the pre-draft comparison for people that want to compare, but remember that Battier was 3 years older than Porter when he was drafted.

Player	Height w/o Shoes	Weight	Wingspan	Standing Reach	No Step Vert	Max Vert	Lane Agility	3/4 Court Sprint
Battier	6' 8.25"	229	6' 10.5"	8' 9"	29.5	33	10.95	3.3
Porter	6' 7.5"	198	7' 1.5"	8' 9.5"	27	36	11.25	3.4

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[I'mWithDan]

The disparity between Porter's no step vert and his step vert is a bit odd.

I was looking through DX's database and I only saw 15 players who had a max vert that was +9 or better, Porter ranked last on that list in terms of max vert.

Jamario Moon - 33/43
Josh Selby- 30.5/41
OJ Mayo - 30.5/41
Demarcus Minor - 29/41
Terrico White - 31/40
Stefan Bircevic - 29.9 / 39.8
Dahntay Jones - 30/39.5
John Wall - 30/39
Willie Green - 28.5 / 38.5
Eddie House - 29.5 / 38.5
Isaiah Thomas - 29 / 38.5
Norris Cole - 29.5 / 38.5
Tomas Satoransky - 25.3 / 37.8
Jamaal Tinsley - 28 / 37.5
Otto Porter - 27 / 36

It's a weird list, that is for sure but just interesting when looking at max verticals. Guys that have that big of a disparity are typically PG/SG.

Moon (6'6.5"), Satoransky (6'6"), Birevic (6'9.5") were the only players over 6'5". House, Thomas, Cole and Tinsley were under 6'1".

So from what I see, there are only 2 players in combine history who were 6'7"+ and had a +9 disparity on the two vert measurements (Porter and Birevic).

I may be missing someone else from this year but those numbers haven't completely filtered in yet.

I don't know what it means, if anything, just found it interesting.

 

[Nathan S]

The disparity between Porter's no step vert and his step vert is a bit odd.

I was looking through DX's database and I only saw 15 players who had a max vert that was +9 or better, Porter ranked last on that list in terms of max vert.

Jamario Moon - 33/43
Josh Selby- 30.5/41
OJ Mayo - 30.5/41
Demarcus Minor - 29/41
Terrico White - 31/40
Stefan Bircevic - 29.9 / 39.8
Dahntay Jones - 30/39.5
John Wall - 30/39
Willie Green - 28.5 / 38.5
Eddie House - 29.5 / 38.5
Isaiah Thomas - 29 / 38.5
Norris Cole - 29.5 / 38.5
Tomas Satoransky - 25.3 / 37.8
Jamaal Tinsley - 28 / 37.5
Otto Porter - 27 / 36

It's a weird list, that is for sure but just interesting when looking at max verticals. Guys that have that big of a disparity are typically PG/SG.

Moon (6'6.5"), Satoransky (6'6"), Birevic (6'9.5") were the only players over 6'5". House, Thomas, Cole and Tinsley were under 6'1".

So from what I see, there are only 2 players in combine history who were 6'7"+ and had a +9 disparity on the two vert measurements (Porter and Birevic).

I may be missing someone else from this year but those numbers haven't completely filtered in yet.

I don't know what it means, if anything, just found it interesting.

I actually noticed this during the combine...I saw him do his standing vert and I was thinking "oh shit oh shit i'm gonna eat crow on this one" and then he just took off (well, relatively speaking) on his max vert. Weird. Oladipo kinda did the same thing (33'/42').

 

[The Process God]

It's not flawed logic, it is science. Muscle weighs more than fat by volume. The whole feathers vs bricks thing is irrelevant when discussing how a persons frame supports muscle mass.

If you put a guy who's 197 with 11-13% body fat next to a guy who's 197 with 5-6% body fat, the first will have vastly superior room for growth.

Muscle is far more dense than fat. When the more fatty person strips off weight, their frame is already built to support more muscle, as it has been carrying around that fatty tissue (which takes up far more space on your frame). So if you strip off 13 pounds of fat, 16-18 pounds of muscle can replace it (in the same volume space), pushing a persons weight up.

It's the same phenomenon that lets chubby teenagers turn in to division 1 football players.

The notion that you have to strip fat off before building muscle is categorically false. Muscle burns fat reserves, so as the more fatty person builds muscle mass, their body fat would adjust in concert.

One's present or previous body fat levels have no relevance concerning how much muscle a person can add to their frame. If anything, higher fat levels could be an indicator of low insulin sensitivity, which would inhibit muscle growth.

 

[getBUCKED]

Will be very disappointed if we take Porter. I think the Cavs realize that all we need at the 3 is a 3 & D guy, something we can hopefully add in FA (Corey Brewer). We need somebody who can lock up other SF's while spreading the floor with the consistent 3 ball. Having a nice passer at the 3 is nice in college, but the NBA is dominated the pick & roll. We coild use spacing with a big man who can run the pick & pop to pull out the opposing big man & add additional spacing for drives to the hoop by our future all-star backcourt, and that player is clearly Alex Len.

 

[Kizzle]

Will be very disappointed if we take Porter. I think the Cavs realize that all we need at the 3 is a 3 & D guy, something we can hopefully add in FA (Corey Brewer). We need somebody who can lock up other SF's while spreading the floor with the consistent 3 ball. Having a nice passer at the 3 is nice in college, but the NBA is dominated the pick & roll. We coild use spacing with a big man who can run the pick & pop to pull out the opposing big man & add additional spacing for drives to the hoop by our future all-star backcourt, and that player is clearly Alex Len.[/QUOTE]

Why do people refuse to accept that Tyler Zeller is on our team?

 

[Lee]

Will be very disappointed if we take Porter. I think the Cavs realize that all we need at the 3 is a 3 & D guy, something we can hopefully add in FA (Corey Brewer). We need somebody who can lock up other SF's while spreading the floor with the consistent 3 ball. Having a nice passer at the 3 is nice in college, but the NBA is dominated the pick & roll. We coild use spacing with a big man who can run the pick & pop to pull out the opposing big man & add additional spacing for drives to the hoop by our future all-star backcourt, and that player is clearly Alex Len.[/QUOTE]

Why do people refuse to accept that Tyler Zeller is on our team?

Especially considering he was 2nd team all rookie. I don't think Zeller is an all star, but he is a solid player. He is a far better center in 3 years than Gee is a sf now or in 3 years.

 

[Kizzle]

Not saying I dont want Len, because I do. But saying that we need a shooting big and overlooking that we just drafted one, that had a decent rookie season is just.............wtf.

I think the reason wed make a play at Len is because we see potential in his back to the basket game and his defense. If all we wanted was a shooter, wed just draft a big who can shoot in the 2nd.

 

[ClevelandOwnz]

I want Len and Poter, but if I had to chose, I'd say Otto would be the pick. He was literally fit for this team, a do it all guy who doesnt need the ball in his hands but has shown that when he needs to take over, he will. Georgetown really taught him how to play off the ball and embrace the team concept. We need that right now.

Zeller had a good rookie year, I dont think he is a starter. but I do think he will be the best back up center in the league in two-three years. I feel SOME people might be so in love with Len because the idea that LeBron might come back and it'd be a "wasted pick" if we got porter. Well we can't build on the hopes of LeBron is coming back. Right now our biggest need is at the 3 and i wont wanna fill it with a player who should be playing bench minutes (corey brewer, really?) If he does come back, then you know what... we got a young player who has a lot of promise and potential to trade away for another player...

Otto will most likely fall as the best player available at the time and fit a team need.. it'd fall perfectly for us.

 

[gourimoko]

I want Len and Poter, but if I had to chose, I'd say Otto would be the pick. He was literally fit for this team, a do it all guy who doesnt need the ball in his hands but has shown that when he needs to take over, he will. Georgetown really taught him how to play off the ball and embrace the team concept. We need that right now.

Zeller had a good rookie year, I dont think he is a starter. but I do think he will be the best back up center in the league in two-three years. I feel SOME people might be so in love with Len because the idea that LeBron might come back and it'd be a "wasted pick" if we got porter. Well we can't build on the hopes of LeBron is coming back. Right now our biggest need is at the 3 and i wont wanna fill it with a player who should be playing bench minutes (corey brewer, really?) If he does come back, then you know what... we got a young player who has a lot of promise and potential to trade away for another player...

Otto will most likely fall as the best player available at the time and fit a team need.. it'd fall perfectly for us.

We could always trade Porter or bring him off the bench behind LeBron. They could also share significant minutes going small with LeBron at the 4, which would be devastating against certain lineups. All in all, I don't want to mention LeBron too heavily in the Porter thread, but I think they could certainly work together.

 

[Damien O'Connel]

I am completely against making decisions based upon the expectation of lebron returning. but you all do realize that he has been playing the 4 full time for over a year now...

 

[MalTalm]

Especially considering he was 2nd team all rookie. I don't think Zeller is an all star, but he is a solid player. He is a far better center in 3 years than Gee is a sf now or in 3 years.

Setting that bar high Lee. :chuckles:

 

[Nathan S]

Not drafting Porter because you're worried about our rotation if LeBron comes back is like not getting a job because you're worried you'll have too much money if you win the lottery...

 

[UncleDrew]

I want Len and Poter, but if I had to chose, I'd say Otto would be the pick. He was literally fit for this team, a do it all guy who doesnt need the ball in his hands but has shown that when he needs to take over, he will. Georgetown really taught him how to play off the ball and embrace the team concept. We need that right now.

Zeller had a good rookie year, I dont think he is a starter. but I do think he will be the best back up center in the league in two-three years. I feel SOME people might be so in love with Len because the idea that LeBron might come back and it'd be a "wasted pick" if we got porter. Well we can't build on the hopes of LeBron is coming back. Right now our biggest need is at the 3 and i wont wanna fill it with a player who should be playing bench minutes (corey brewer, really?) If he does come back, then you know what... we got a young player who has a lot of promise and potential to trade away for another player...

Otto will most likely fall as the best player available at the time and fit a team need.. it'd fall perfectly for us.

I don't want LeBron back, period. I am only torn between Len and Porter because Len is someone who you can't pass up..but Porter would be filling that last need we have at 3. I'd be happy with either or...but just wanted to make it clear that we shouldn't "hold the phone" on our team for a "chance" to get LeBron back. Fuck it, he left us years ago..he's played Power Forward all season...fuck it.

 

[clevelandrox23]

Ideal size and a strong college pedigree likely means Porter will go #2 or at worst #3.

If I could bet you I would. He is going to go later than 3.