Corey Coleman

[CleveRocks]

Drop was inexcusable. Kizer makes a terrific play and hits him in the hands wide open with the game on the line.. You have one job...

That said he needs to put it behind him.

I liked that WR for USC.. was not a big guy, but he caught the football like Fred belitnikof..

Thought Gordon did a nice job. Njoku also. we would need one more reliable guy to be dangerous..

We could all so use a better running back..

I know everyone is high on quarterbacks, with the first pick, but unless the guy is 6'3 and 210, not sure I would look for a back. I like Barkley, but Chubb would be an ok move.

 

[Triple-S]

I will say from a historical stand point it's bizarrely fitting.

Post-1972 Browns tend to always lose in moments like this.

Red Right 88? The Fumble? Dennis Northcutt dropping the pass against the Steelers?

There's just this...weird "franchise changing" moments and they're always defined by a player just being off by inches.

And of course...of course it happened against Pittsburgh.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Dude it was the difference between going 1-15 for the second straight year or going 0-16

It really wasn’t that big of a deal. We didn’t just miss the playoffs on a dropped pass

 

[Jack Brickman]

Dude it was the difference between going 1-15 for the second straight year or going 0-16

It really wasn’t that big of a deal. We didn’t just miss the playoffs on a dropped pass

If our coach wasn't a complete piece of shit, we wouldn't have been fighting for one win in week 17 in the first place.

 

[dark2332]

Dude it was the difference between going 1-15 for the second straight year or going 0-16

It really wasn’t that big of a deal. We didn’t just miss the playoffs on a dropped pass

I was actually rooting for us to lose that game and go 0-16 because I thought Haslam would have to fire Hue and let Dorsey pick his guy, no matter what he said earlier.

I wasn’t anticipating the dipshit would double down.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I was actually rooting for us to lose that game and go 0-16 because I thought Haslam would have to fire Hue and let Dorsey pick his guy, no matter what he said earlier.

I wasn’t anticipating the dipshit would double down.

I still hope this is all a charade so we can coach the Senior Bowl.

 

[Pick6]

Dude it was the difference between going 1-15 for the second straight year or going 0-16

It really wasn’t that big of a deal. We didn’t just miss the playoffs on a dropped pass

It wasn't like he was going to score anyways. I have very little hope Kizer wouldn't have turned it over in the endzone anyways if it got to that point. I just feel bad for him. Hopefully he can move forward because we will need him to bring it next season.

 

[dark2332]

I still hope this is all a charade so we can coach the Senior Bowl.

I did too, but after the “Hue will be a hero when he turns this around” it’s a little too thick.

There are ways to keep him on without simultaneously sucking his dick, and Haslam went full bore nut gobbling.

 

[Chris]

So is it reasonable to start expecting him to be effective next year? That seems like when some WRs break out.

 

[inliner311]

It wasn't like he was going to score anyways. I have very little hope Kizer wouldn't have turned it over in the endzone anyways if it got to that point. I just feel bad for him. Hopefully he can move forward because we will need him to bring it next season.

This all comes down to Kizer's decision making. Yes Kizer made the play to get the ball to Coleman but gave up a higher percentage play in running in open space for 2 yards. Coleman makes the catch the drive keeps going and we might not even remember it. Same goes for Kizer running for 2 yards.

Kizer just didn't make the proper decision in the moment and that's his fault all season. You can't count on him to make the right decision.

 

[Pick6]

So is it reasonable to start expecting him to be effective next year? That seems like when some WRs break out.

I'm not in the mood to really defend anybody right now, but I did find this pretty interesting:
View: https://twitter.com/Pat_Thorman/status/945653228099854336

 

[Chris]

Great, it was all someone else’s fault.

So we have to wait for him to have a good QB before we expect production. I’m not sure I’ve seen this defense of Browns WRs in the past...

Unfortunately we may never have a good QB so we may never know.

 

[Jack Brickman]

So is it reasonable to start expecting him to be effective next year? That seems like when some WRs break out.

I think he was effective this year when he got a large target volume. The problems came when Gordon came back and Coleman's targets dropped significantly. You're just not going to produce consistently as a receiver if you're only getting two or three catchable targets a game. It makes it impossible to get into any kind of rhythm.

When he was getting 10+ targets a game, he tended to have good games. When his targets dropped to six or less (again, accounting for the fact that about half of them weren't catchable), he didn't.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Great, it was all someone else’s fault.

So we have to wait for him to have a good QB before we expect production. I’m not sure I’ve seen this defense of Browns WRs in the past...

Unfortunately we may never have a good QB so we may never know.

Dude he had the lowest percentage of catchable targets in the league. Literally 39% of his targets were even considered catchable

This isn’t just someone saying “yeah well if we had someone to get him the ball!” This is an actual ranking of 86 receivers with coleman being dealt the worst array of targets of them all

Kizer is atrocious. A lot of it is his fault

 

[Jack Brickman]

Dude he had the lowest percentage of catchable targets in the league. Literally 39% of his targets were even considered catchable

This isn’t just someone saying “yeah well if we had someone to get him the ball!” This is an actual ranking of 86 receivers with coleman being dealt the worst array of targets of them all

Kizer is atrocious. A lot of it is his fault

Yeah, Kizer was awful this year. The question is how much of that is on Kizer and how much of that is on Hue utterly failing to develop him or structure an offense around his strengths and weaknesses. The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle. A good coach probably would have played to his strengths and had him looking at least poor to acceptable, which would have been an improvement over abysmal.

As I mentioned above, you have to factor in that, when he got a nice target volume, he tended to produce. Because if you're getting ten to twelve targets and only 40% of them are catchable, you're still getting four or five catchable balls a game and you can work with that. When you're only getting five or six targets and 40% are catchable, suddenly you've only got one or two catchable balls to work with, and unless you connect on a long bomb you're just not going to put up big stats with that kind of volume/accuracy.