Craig Porter Jr - signing a 4-year deal !!!!

[guitarguy]

I think this is being well over thought....Porter got paid his market value right now. That is really all there is to it. It's not a money problem or cent counting or any of that. He didn't get stiffed or whatever. It's not like he's playing 30 minutes a night right now, or even 10...or even 5.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Left unexplained is how not paying CPJ higher than market rate negatively impacts our team. Then again I suspect this isn’t about the team at all. It looks more like passion signaling which again is fine for a fan but is not a plausible way to run a basketball team.

 

[Cavatt]

If you wanted him to get paid more you would have more of an issue with the years than the price. He is doing fine for a rook, especially an undrafted one. The length of the contract is pretty long though 4 years.

Did he get his 2way amount + his 1.4 or whatever this year? That is pretty nice.

 

[adam81king]

Am I a naughty boy for wanting him to start and Garland to sub?

I feel dirty as fuck.

Never be ashamed of your kinks...unless they involve tiny towels and massages and nonconsensual touching.

 

[cabs]

I would like him to be our back up pg and we can dump Jerome for something else in the off season

 

[buzzdog]

If it was me I'd go ahead and sign CPJ to an NBA contract, then send him to the Charge with the instructions to hoist lots of threes against competition. Now is the time to see if he can improve in that area while we have excess guard depth. We might need him down the road if we make any moves with any of our guards, so let him gain some confidence and rhythm. He's too tentative as it now stands.

I'm going to give myself a flower for posting this 10 days before it actually happened.

 

[cavsfever]

Not sure why you dont understand he is a rookie and undrafted, no one is jerking him around.

The last pick in the first round Kobe Brown got a 4 year 12 mill contract, in year 4 if he is playing well, do you think he is mad at the Clippers or just expects to be treated fairly on the next contract.

The 2nd player of the 2nd round (1st player didnt get a NBA contract yet), Jalen Picket got 4 years 8 mill, the same as CPJ.

You say we treated him unfairly? I think we treated him more than fairly, we gave CPJ the same contract he would of got as the 1st pick in the 2nd round despite going undrafted and we did this BEFORE the all star break.

I am 100% sure CPJ is extremely happy. The team stepped like he was an early 2nd round pick because of his play....good for the Cavs and Koby treating him with respect.

So Craig has played five times as many NBA minutes as Jalen Picket and scored seven times as many points, but his contract guarantees him just $2.5 million while Picket's guarantees him $5.8 million, more than twice as much.

The fourth year of CP's contract is a non-guaranteed club option that even if the Cavs pick it up would pay Craig less than Ty Jerome currently makes on a guaranteed contract today ($2.4 million vs $2.5 million), even though I think it's pretty clear that Craig is already better than Ty Jerome and in fact we are probably (hopefully!) going to dump Ty so Craig can be our third string guard.

That's what I mean by saying that this contract drives a hard bargain and exploits the club's bargaining advantage over an undrafted player. It's perfectly within our rights to do that, but as I said if I were Craig's agent I would have counseled him to ask for a better contract before signing. The Cavs aren't the only team who can see how good Craig is. With that said, I totally understand why an undrafted guy would sign it and if we are able to give Porter expanded PT and a clear role that he performs well in it's possible we will tear it up and renegotiate something that better aligns with his performance. But another reason I wasn't thrilled with the details of the contract is that it signals that the club isn't yet sure he will be more than a Lamar Stevens type guy for us.

 

[shoes22]

So Craig has played five times as many NBA minutes as Jalen Picket and scored seven times as many points, but his contract guarantees him just $2.5 million while Picket's guarantees him $5.8 million, more than twice as much.

The fourth year of CP's contract is a non-guaranteed club option that even if the Cavs pick it up would pay Craig less than Ty Jerome currently makes on a guaranteed contract today ($2.4 million vs $2.5 million), even though I think it's pretty clear that Craig is already better than Ty Jerome and in fact we are probably (hopefully!) going to dump Ty so Craig can be our third string guard.

That's what I mean by saying that this contract drives a hard bargain and exploits the club's bargaining advantage over an undrafted player. It's perfectly within our rights to do that, but as I said if I were Craig's agent I would have counseled him to ask for a better contract before signing. The Cavs aren't the only team who can see how good Craig is. With that said, I totally understand why an undrafted guy would sign it and if we are able to give Porter expanded PT and a clear role that he performs well in it's possible we will tear it up and renegotiate something that better aligns with his performance. But another reason I wasn't thrilled with the details of the contract is that it signals that the club isn't yet sure he will be more than a Lamar Stevens type guy for us.

My question is...how are you sure Craig will be more than a Lamar Stevens guy for us? He very well may be much much better, and will be rewarded on his next contract appropriately. But he hasn't really proven much at the NBA level, and has NOT earned the kind of bigger contract you're describing yet.

 

[cavsfever]

My question is...how are you sure Craig will be more than a Lamar Stevens guy for us? He very well may be much much better, and will be rewarded on his next contract appropriately. But he hasn't really proven much at the NBA level, and has NOT earned the kind of bigger contract you're describing yet.

I appreciate this kind of response because I think it gets to the nub of the disagreement rather than another big lecture on how undrafted guys really need the money like I’m stupid and don’t get that.

Personally I feel like CP has shown enough to say that he can be say a top 8 player and a valuable contributor on a contending team. You’re absolutely right — that could be just wishful thinking on my part based on a few dozen games. Also, even if it were true it wouldn’t call for a $5-10 million a year contract. But you could sign a guy like that to a better long term contract than Jalen Picket and still be getting a great deal.

P.s we all agree on the important stuff like CP is good and it’s great we signed him so from now on I’ll just go back to hoping he gets to play more like everybody else. But I suspect that barring injury we’ve seen about the last of him at the big club for this year

 

[wuck]

It's perfectly within our rights to do that, but as I said if I were Craig's agent I would have counseled him to ask for a better contract before signing.

I won’t dispute that. But I am not sure I agree with the sentiment that the current contract is evidence of how the cavs feel about his upside. I was surprised he didn’t hold out for more.

Note also that the Cavs don’t know how Porter responds to money or an off-season training regimen or a major injury or grifters or Giddey situations.

I think he could have gotten more but there are questions still, including if JBB will trust him, and keeping the numbers low offers the team major flexibility. They can truly reward him later or he can decide to walk. It’s not like he is an indentured servant or something. More he can prove if he has that in him.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Question: Who believes the Cavs didn't give CRAIG! a larger role in January as a negotiation tactic?

I do believe leaving him out of the rotation had a lot to do with the Cavs win streak with the players who were in that 10 man rotation, but if the team dropped a few more games CPJ would have been next in line to change things up.

I see his contract value in direct correlation to being out of the rotation, but not necessarily the end goal.

 

[Lee]

So Craig has played five times as many NBA minutes as Jalen Picket and scored seven times as many points, but his contract guarantees him just $2.5 million while Picket's guarantees him $5.8 million, more than twice as much.

The fourth year of CP's contract is a non-guaranteed club option that even if the Cavs pick it up would pay Craig less than Ty Jerome currently makes on a guaranteed contract today ($2.4 million vs $2.5 million), even though I think it's pretty clear that Craig is already better than Ty Jerome and in fact we are probably (hopefully!) going to dump Ty so Craig can be our third string guard.

That's what I mean by saying that this contract drives a hard bargain and exploits the club's bargaining advantage over an undrafted player. It's perfectly within our rights to do that, but as I said if I were Craig's agent I would have counseled him to ask for a better contract before signing. The Cavs aren't the only team who can see how good Craig is. With that said, I totally understand why an undrafted guy would sign it and if we are able to give Porter expanded PT and a clear role that he performs well in it's possible we will tear it up and renegotiate something that better aligns with his performance. But another reason I wasn't thrilled with the details of the contract is that it signals that the club isn't yet sure he will be more than a Lamar Stevens type guy for us.

He is under control for another year on the 2 way contract then goes into a restricted free agent situation I believe. The NBA has close the loopholes for undrafted to get big contracts, rigth away. They basically give the team the advantage the first 4 or 5 years, from Victor to the undrafted guy.

Its a very fair contract. Its the bussiness of the NBA holding out forces him on another 2 way contract next year. Its a great opportunity for an undrafted guy or even a 2nd round pick.

Now after 4 years its about his next contract, hopefully with us, but hopefully he gets and earns a Dean Wade level contract but 5 years later so much larger.

Its how the NBA works, anyone that thinks he should out for more money doesnt really understand the CBA, the advantage first 4 or 5 years is the team, after that, its the player.

 

[wuck]

He is under control for another year on the 2 way contract then goes into a restricted free agent situation I believe. The NBA has close the loopholes for undrafted to get big contracts, rigth away. They basically give the team the advantage the first 4 or 5 years, from Victor to the undrafted guy.

Its a very fair contract. Its the bussiness of the NBA holding out forces him on another 2 way contract next year. Its a great opportunity for an undrafted guy or even a 2nd round pick.

Now after 4 years its about his next contract, hopefully with us, but hopefully he gets and earns a Dean Wade level contract but 5 years later so much larger.

Its how the NBA works, anyone that thinks he should out for more money doesnt really understand the CBA, the advantage first 4 or 5 years is the team, after that, its the player.

Having spent more time than many draft picks in college and being older than many also, means that Porter doesn’t have quite as much opportunity to land a great contract in his 20s. This next one could be his only real opportunity, unlike that 19-year old playing so well in the rising stars game last night. I do think it’s fair from the cavs standpoint but seems short-sighted by his agent. If I were him I still would have signed because what if you tear an acl next week.

 

[Lee]

Having spent more time than many draft picks in college and being older than many also, means that Porter doesn’t have quite as much opportunity to land a great contract in his 20s. This next one could be his only real opportunity, unlike that 19-year old playing so well in the rising stars game last night. I do think it’s fair from the cavs standpoint but seems short-sighted by his agent. If I were him I still would have signed because what if you tear an acl next week.

He really has no choice but to sign, agent did right by him. The picked a camp that needed a backup pg, impressed the coaching staff from the jump at summer league, and Cavs come in with a good long term offer.

Agree his next contract is his only opportunity for big money like 25 mill +, but part of that is his own decision and talent level staying 5 years in college, not the cavs fault. Then he went undrafted, not the cavs fault.

Ultimately after going undrafted, this is 100% the best he could hope for situational wise with a 4 year contract equal to an early 2nd round pick.

I hope he earns a 4 year 50 mill contract at the end of this one for us, means he turned into a top level backup pg or an average starting pg which is where i see CPJ. Incredible for an undrafted player.

Only 5 players have ever gone from undrafted to all star including a friend of mine. But my point it is so rare, realistically this is best case scenerio for Craig

 

[wuck]

He really has no choice but to sign, agent did right by him. The picked a camp that needed a backup pg, impressed the coaching staff from the jump at summer league, and Cavs come in with a good long term offer.

Agree his next contract is his only opportunity for big money like 25 mill +, but part of that is his own decision and talent level staying 5 years in college, not the cavs fault. Then he went undrafted, not the cavs fault.

Ultimately after going undrafted, this is 100% the best he could hope for situational wise with a 4 year contract equal to an early 2nd round pick.

I hope he earns a 4 year 50 mill contract at the end of this one for us, means he turned into a top level backup pg or an average starting pg which is where i see CPJ. Incredible for an undrafted player.

Only 5 players have ever gone from undrafted to all star including a friend of mine. But my point it is so rare, realistically this is best case scenerio for Craig

I think our exchange is the definition of seeing it the same way but also as half-full, half-empty.