Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread v3: 11 games, $5M

[Wrathe]

Has she testified yet?

She's the one who refused the settlement, Lauren Baxley.
She testified, ya.

 

[JDailey23]

She's the one who refused the settlement, Lauren Baxley.
She testified, ya.

Maybe she should have got a real lawyer and not the Ringmaster of B&B Circus.
Not to sound like an insensitive jerk, but she could have stood up and filed a police report or whatever immediately and he probably would be done for good.

 

[Wrathe]

Maybe she should have got a real lawyer and not the Ringmaster of B&B Circus.
Not to sound like an insensitive jerk, but she could have stood up and filed a police report or whatever immediately and he probably would be done for good.

I take it Deshaun had another shitty day?

 

[JDailey23]

I take it Deshaun had another shitty day?

No. He played really well actually

 

[Lee]

Maybe she should have got a real lawyer and not the Ringmaster of B&B Circus.
Not to sound like an insensitive jerk, but she could have stood up and filed a police report or whatever immediately and he probably would be done for good.

Not sure how much you followed, but she did file a police report, 2 counties refused to bring chargers.

He probably didnt break any laws, just morral ones

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Not sure how much you followed, but she did file a police report, 2 counties refused to bring chargers.

He probably didnt break any laws, just morral ones

Don't get in the way of people attacking victims so they can feel better about their team's quarterback.

You know... literally what the piece is about.

Alanis Morissette has another verse to add.

 

[Sharpner]

Don't get in the way of people attacking victims so they can feel better about their team's quarterback.

You know... literally what the piece is about.

Alanis Morissette has another verse to add.

"Would she go down on you in a theater"?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

She's the one who refused the settlement, Lauren Baxley.
She testified, ya.

Is there anywhere online where it can be read?

 

[JDailey23]

Not sure how much you followed, but she did file a police report, 2 counties refused to bring chargers.

He probably didnt break any laws, just morral ones

She still signed with the circus. Instead of getting 1 on 1 attention from a lawyer, she’s just one of the clowns.

 

[Lee]

She still signed with the circus. Instead of getting 1 on 1 attention from a lawyer, she’s just one of the clowns.

He isnt a circus, he is a highly skilled lawyer honestly. And she was the furst to come forward, she tried others and they turned her down.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Don't get in the way of people attacking victims so they can feel better about their team's quarterback.

You know... literally what the piece is about.

Alanis Morissette has another verse to add.

I don't like the notion that anyone who questions her story is attacking a victim. She's a complainant - whether or not she's a victim has not been determined by outside parties.

Baxley, IMO, is one of the women whose story was questionable and inconsistent, and I'm fairly certain she's also the one that mislead her own therapist.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I don't like the notion that anyone who questions her story is attacking a victim.

Cool, because that's not what's happening.

What is happening is that people are spewing derogatory accusations that are proven to be false. If they took ten seconds to Google something before pounding away on their keyboards, the world would be a better place.

When a victim filed a police report, and some dipshit on the internet goes "Well, if she only filed a police report, this could've been over and taken care of!" I think classifying that as attacking victims is pretty straightforward.

She's a complainant - whether or not she's a victim has not been determined by outside parties.

Baxley, IMO, is one of the women whose story was questionable and inconsistent, and I'm fairly certain she's also the one that mislead her own therapist.

I think Robinson's ruling makes it pretty clear that the four cases presented to her (of which I thought Baxley was one of them) most likely happened. Between believing the accusers because of the raw number of accusations, and a judge looking over all of them and deeming that they most likely happened, I think it's pretty shitty for Browns fans on the internet to keep saying "Well it might not have happened!"

But pretend every time I used the word "victim," there was an "allegedly" in front of it if you want.

 

[PIP]

Just gotta work out the kinks….

 

[Vee-Rex]

Cool, because that's not what's happening.

What is happening is that people are spewing derogatory accusations that are proven to be false. If they took ten seconds to Google something before pounding away on their keyboards, the world would be a better place.

When a victim filed a police report, and some dipshit on the internet goes "Well, if she only filed a police report, this could've been over and taken care of!" I think classifying that as attacking victims is pretty straightforward.

He said filed a police report IMMEDIATELY.

I think Robinson's ruling makes it pretty clear that the four cases presented to her (of which I thought Baxley was one of them) most likely happened. Between believing the accusers because of the raw number of accusations, and a judge looking over all of them and deeming that they most likely happened, I think it's pretty shitty for Browns fans on the internet to keep saying "Well it might not have happened!"

But pretend every time I used the word "victim," there was an "allegedly" in front of it if you want.

I don't think Baxley was one of them. Regardless, Sue Robinson's verdict was by the NFL's definition of sexual misconduct, not the legal version. I'm not sure the results are the same in civil court.

It doesn't matter to me what an arbiter rules - I personally find her actions during the litigation process questionable, and it makes me question the validity of her claims.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

He said filed a police report IMMEDIATELY.

Fair point. I skipped over that part.

I'm not going to shit on sexual assault victims for the timeliness with which they engage police, and I'd still say doing so is attacking the victim.

I don't even think we should be shitting on them for whether they engage the police or not. If they choose not to--and most make that choice--that's up to them. It doesn't make what happened to them less valid.

I don't think Baxley was one of them.

I thought the 4 that the NFL brought were the 4 that didn't settle (and Baxley was one of the 4 that didn't settle) but I honestly don't know. It's hard to find details for any of the 4 that Robinson saw other than Ashley Solis. I very well could be making an assumption that's incorrect.

Regardless, Sue Robinson's verdict was by the NFL's definition of sexual misconduct, not the legal version. I'm not sure the results are the same in civil court.

Here's a point where I'm genuinely curious--why does this matter to you?

A legal conviction doesn't mean the person did it, and the lack of a legal conviction doesn't mean they didn't do it.

If there were still people holding out after the number of accusations, I'd hope that "I, therefore, find that the NFL has carried its burden to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that Mr. Watson engaged in sexual assault (as defined by the NFL) against the four therapists identified in the Report" leaves no doubt, but I'm not that naive. I know trolls will still be out there. I just hoped RCF would be a bit better.

It doesn't matter to me what an arbiter rules - I personally find her actions during the litigation process questionable, and it makes me question the validity of her claims.

You're free to do so.

I think it's a pretty shitty position to take.

If we're talking about who's less trustworthy in this situation and deserves less benefit of the doubt, it's clearly Watson--right?

What makes you question Baxley so much? Typically when plaintiffs accept monetary settlements, that brings more scrutiny, with people saying "She just did it for the money!" But Baxley refused to settle, stating that Watson's refusal to admit what he did and show any amount of remorse was unacceptable to her.

To me, that should remove doubt, not sow more.

I don't think you fall under this but if Deshaun Watson wasn't quarterbacking the Cleveland Browns, I think your stance would be significantly less prevalent around these parts.