Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread v3: 11 games, $5M

[Vee-Rex]

Here's a point where I'm genuinely curious--why does this matter to you?

A legal conviction doesn't mean the person did it, and the lack of a legal conviction doesn't mean they didn't do it.

If there were still people holding out after the number of accusations, I'd hope that "I, therefore, find that the NFL has carried its burden to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that Mr. Watson engaged in sexual assault (as defined by the NFL) against the four therapists identified in the Report" leaves no doubt, but I'm not that naive. I know trolls will still be out there. I just hoped RCF would be a bit better.

Because the definitions of all forms of sexual misconduct are important, right?

I believe it was @The Human Q-Tip who gave solid examples on the importance of how we define them.

If one person misread signals at the end of a date, goes in for a kiss and the other pushes them away, it's technically ~sexual assault~ if we define sexual assault as "an act in which one intentionally sexually touches another person without that person's consent". Or if a two people are making out and one person misreads it as a progression into sex, and grabs the other person's ass and they push them away.

The point here is that Sue Robinson's verdict, being based on the NFL's definition of sexual assault, might not necessarily be the 'de facto sexual assault' people are accustomed to. It's not good at all of course, but I don't think there's anything wrong with making that distinction.

You're free to do so.

I think it's a pretty shitty position to take.

If we're talking about who's less trustworthy in this situation and deserves less benefit of the doubt, it's clearly Watson--right?

What makes you question Baxley so much? Typically when plaintiffs accept monetary settlements, that brings more scrutiny, with people saying "She just did it for the money!" But Baxley refused to settle, stating that Watson's refusal to admit what he did and show any amount of remorse was unacceptable to her.

To me, that should remove doubt, not sow more.

Baxley essentially lied through omission to her own therapist. Her therapist detailed how she was claiming suffering from emotional distress, and was not informed at all that Baxley was continuing to contact Watson and schedule sessions. Her own therapist said her actions made no sense.

“I mean, I was really surprised that she was responding at all,” the therapist replied. “I mean, I – I would think it's not consistent. Most people would not want to – I would – I would think that most clients that had actually been traumatized and sexually assaulted would not want to have anything to do with their perpetrator.”

“Yeah,” said the therapist. “I mean, especially the contact – contacting him. I don’t understand that. And then according to what you said, she even made an appointment or was willing to make an appointment, another appointment, another follow-up. … Makes no sense to me. I’m not saying that’s a lie, but it doesn’t fit the picture. It doesn’t fit the scenario.”

Hardin’s filing also pointed out that the therapist testified that she believed Baxley was not “fully truthful” in their sessions and that the texting made the therapist question her previous opinion that that Watson was a sexual abuser.

So if Baxley's own therapist questioned the validity of her own statements, why shouldn't I? Why shouldn't anyone? I'm not even claiming Baxley is downright lying. But I do think it's fair to have some doubts.

I'm not trying to pick apart stories and blame victims and so forth and I get how it could appear to be that way. I know a lot of people do victim-blame. I just try to look at any details objectively, since there are quite a few celebrities who have been falsely accused of sexual misconduct and/or domestic violence. Unfortunately, we don't always have a smoking gun in these cases.

I actually believe Ashley Solis though based on all the information that has been made available.

I don't think you fall under this but if Deshaun Watson wasn't quarterbacking the Cleveland Browns, I think your stance would be significantly less prevalent around these parts.

Yeah, I agree with this.

 

[buzzdog]

I still hope he can speak to the elephant in the room in some meaningful way at some point this off season. It's still my opinion and advice that he in some way, shape or form, addresses and defends his stance regarding the allegations and accusations. He will never be rehabilitated unless that happens. Hopefully that is part of his counseling. If he continues to maintain complete innocence then at a minimum that requires an explanation that doesn't throw legitimate accusers under the bus, while accepting some degree of responsibility. If this just stays swept under the rug then a percentage of the population (myself included) will have valid reason to assume he's still potentially a predatory psychopath.

 

[Benway]

Another turnover:

Police: Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson’s truck stolen in North Olmsted

A truck belonging to Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson was stolen from a North Olmsted car dealership, according to police officials.

www.cleveland19.com

 

[Cement]

Another turnover:

Police: Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson’s truck stolen in North Olmsted

A truck belonging to Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson was stolen from a North Olmsted car dealership, according to police officials.

www.cleveland19.com

Someone start a gofundme

 

[Huber.]

Another turnover:

Police: Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson’s truck stolen in North Olmsted

A truck belonging to Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson was stolen from a North Olmsted car dealership, according to police officials.

www.cleveland19.com

Can't have nothing these days

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Can't have nothing these days

Hey now. If you're handy and unscrupulous, apparently you can have Deshaun Watson's truck!

 

[natedagg]

Another turnover:

Police: Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson’s truck stolen in North Olmsted

A truck belonging to Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson was stolen from a North Olmsted car dealership, according to police officials.

www.cleveland19.com

Has to be an inside job. How can someone know where all of the keys are unless they were told or worked there? Or is there really just a box on the wall that says “keys” and it’s just lit up?

 

[Vee-Rex]

Genuine question: why do people steal cars and then abandon them in ditches?

Is there something I'm missing here? What's the point?

 

[macbdog]

Has to be an inside job. How can someone know where all of the keys are unless they were told or worked there? Or is there really just a box on the wall that says “keys” and it’s just lit up?

The box at my dealership is visible from the counter in the mgrs office when the door is open. Doesn't have to be an inside job. Fact is, like the Kias, dealerships haven't been properly prepare for this level of organize crime. They need a new security model.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Genuine question: why do people steal cars and then abandon them in ditches?

Is there something I'm missing here? What's the point?

Young kids joy riding.

Brother works at the clinic, some kids stole his car and ran it into a pole then lit the car on fire. Guess it's exciting....

 

[macbdog]

Was going to post a thank you to this young woman for keeping DeShaun from feeling a need to sexually assault any more masseuses, but then I found out she's been with him since that time so now I'm not so sure. I can see why so many of his teammates joined him in the Bahamas last year lol.

 

[Smooth]

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Dipshit boomer only listened to by dipshit boomers. Can’t wait for the guy to retire.

 

[Jscc]

With the obvious exception being Mahomes, Watson was the most complete QB package between 2018-2020.

 

[natedagg]

Dipshit boomer only listened to by dipshit boomers. Can’t wait for the guy to retire.

I am old and he has been around for quite some time. I just don’t see what dirt he has on anyone where he is still employed.
Honestly if I had to guess, they don’t pay him Jack shit but he gets a platform and to travel to cool sporting events and they want him to quit but he refuses. They don’t want to fire him and he just sticks around somehow. Or he legit has dirt on someone.

Like I could take a dozen RCF posters and get consistently way more for less money. Legitimate research articles, feel good stories, cap analysis, player profiles, advanced stats. Many would write it for cheap or even free, just to get published. This twat Grossi is just a constant voice of negativity.

Y’all here are the best! I got to binge read 20 pages on who would be DC and then got all kinds of analysis when he was chosen. Thank you to all who contribute! We are so spoiled around here. I would call out by names but I would forget someone and feel bad. It’s totally awesome for a casual, basically fair weather fan, to come in here and get the real deal. For 16+ years too. Across all major sports too.