Dion Waiters Traded

[AmirT0]

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People were talking about Thompson like this a few games in and then he started playing better and blocking a few shots. No one is praising him now, but cries of trade him will return when he has some bad games again.

This exact thing went on all last year with Dion until feb when people said, "omg Allstar! Clutch kid don't trade him." He was playing super solid with Delly and contributing big time to wins that made us over .500 after the Hawes trade or maybe even the deng one?

They won't trade him before the deadline. I'm gonna give Dion at least as long as K Love Allstar, top 5 NBA player, above average defender, and best rebounder/stretch 4 in the league to get his shit together.

I'm also going to wait to pass judgement on him until his external BBiq "Delly" returns.

Maybe he isn't that great a player, but he is a lot better than he is playing right now.

nearly impossible to cheat teams into taking on a scrub like Dion. You just go on Twitter and see that almost everyone says he's trash

 

[Lee]

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The changes that people want to see in the players game, do they think those happen overnight or in the course of one game.
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Kyrie's improvement from the first 5 games is night and day. I don't expect that dramatic of an improvement, but Dion seems to be regressing, not improving, and that is troubling.

 

[spydy13]

Another night, another party in the Dion thread. See you guys tomorrow night. And the night after that. And the night after that.

The changes that people want to see in the players game, do they think those happen overnight or in the course of one game.

Hopefully Dion gets it together and finds a way to better blend and fit the team while also relaxing, accepting his role, enjoying being on a great team.

I don't expect his shot to start falling from close or far right away, but his attitude is shit and that can and should change immediately.

This is the second blowout game he's played in and was visibly pouting. He doesn't hustle back on defense or box out his guy. He only tries when he gets the ball on offense.

I think that's not too much to expect of him as a fan.

 

[MirORich]

Kyrie's improvement from the first 5 games is night and day. I don't expect that dramatic of an improvement, but Dion seems to be regressing, not improving, and that is troubling.

For sure. I love what I've seen out of Kyrie. But he's also working with a much better skill set. And he had the (earned) benefit of his time spent with Team USA. So I think his transformation has been brewing a little longer. But credit to him for stepping up after an uneven start.

I don't think Dions effort is great yet, but don't think its as bad as others do. I think his body language makes it seem worse, but the best way for him to endear himself better to his team, coaching staff, and fanbase is to always take care of the things he can control, like effort, intensity, movement on both sides of the ball, and body language.

I think I've been pretty clear in all my posts that Dion is underperforming and has a long way to go, especially on this team where he is just not a priority option yet. I just get bummed at the level of what sometimes seems like active joy in critiquing what we all know needs to improve with Dion on a night by night basis

 

[MirORich]

I don't expect his shot to start falling from close or far right away, but his attitude is shit and that can and should change immediately.

This is the second blowout game he's played in and was visibly pouting. He doesn't hustle back on defense or box out his guy. He only tries when he gets the ball on offense.

I think that's not too much to expect of him as a fan.

It's hard to disagree with the central point that, especially on a winning, built to win now team, you need to at minimum, fully buy in, give max effort on both sides, and live in the present moment. I don't think he's being disruptive at all off the court, but I imagine that his teammates do notice some of the same things on the court that we do. Hopefully tough veteran support AND tough love get him in a good state of mind and moving in the right direction. On a night to night basis, he can't control his shot, or his minutes, or what group he's playing with, but he always can control his effort and movement without the ball. I think he will get that eventually. Hopefully for him and us, it's sooner than later and on this team

 

[cavsfever]

Kyrie always looked good on the offensive end, he just added defensive intensity and better passing to that. Dion hasn't consistently looked good anywhere. His core skill is supposed to be as a scorer but he has looked horrible -- horrible -- on the offensive end. It's not just bad shot selection, he can't make any of the shots he selects, good or bad.

 

[Lee]

For sure. I love what I've seen out of Kyrie. But he's also working with a much better skill set. And he had the (earned) benefit of his time spent with Team USA. So I think his transformation has been brewing a little longer. But credit to him for stepping up after an uneven start.

I don't think Dions effort is great yet, but don't think its as bad as others do. I think his body language makes it seem worse, but the best way for him to endear himself better to his team, coaching staff, and fanbase is to always take care of the things he can control, like effort, intensity, movement on both sides of the ball, and body language.

I think I've been pretty clear in all my posts that Dion is underperforming and has a long way to go, especially on this team where he is just not a priority option yet. I just get bummed at the level of what sometimes seems like active joy in critiquing what we all know needs to improve with Dion on a night by night basis

The thing is that Dion has the opportunity to be a chucker for about 15 mins a game. Our bench needs the punch and Dion could be it. Problem is no one is taking that role. Not Dion, not TT, no one. I am hoping that maybe Miller replaces Marion so Marion can be that punch on the bench.

But saying Dion needs to not chuck is just not true. He just needs to make his shots, his current role is to chuck for 15 mins a game. The other 10 or 15 he plays he needs to share.

 

[Zen]

I just finished watching the second half for the second time. 3 step back 19 foot jumpers that clank followed by awful body language.

More arm flailing disgusted looks. Barely, and I mean BARELY jogging down the court on 5 different occasions.

I wouldn't even put him in the game at this point. I would trade him for peanuts simply to get his attitude out of the locker room.

The rest of the team is obviously cohesive, they are shown 4 different times laughing and joking on the bench. Dion has separated himself from the group with his shit attitude and it is really hard to ingratiate yourself after you get to that point.

For those still preaching patience, why? Why should we be patient? Dion has shown that over 3 years he is constantly the man out. He has shown a consistently bad attitude.

Why can't he just be a normal player that likes winning, plays hard, and is happy for his teammates? Is that asking too much?

Will Cherry is currently giving the team everything that Dion does, and probably finishes slightly better, which leaves absolutely no reason to keep someone around with an attitude that is this poor when his skill level is so low.

 

[gratefuldead]

Waiters needs to go before all his value is gone

 

[MirORich]

I just finished watching the second half for the second time. 3 step back 19 foot jumpers that clank followed by awful body language.

More arm flailing disgusted looks. Barely, and I mean BARELY jogging down the court on 5 different occasions.

I wouldn't even put him in the game at this point. I would trade him for peanuts simply to get his attitude out of the locker room.

The rest of the team is obviously cohesive, they are shown 4 different times laughing and joking on the bench. Dion has separated himself from the group with his shit attitude and it is really hard to ingratiate yourself after you get to that point.

For those still preaching patience, why? Why should we be patient? Dion has shown that over 3 years he is constantly the man out. He has shown a consistently bad attitude.

Why can't he just be a normal player that likes winning, plays hard, and is happy for his teammates? Is that asking too much?

Will Cherry is currently giving the team everything that Dion does, and probably finishes slightly better, which leaves absolutely no reason to keep someone around with an attitude that is this poor when his skill level is so low.

It's not last year. This locker room is rock solid with the staff we have and the vets on the team. There is no way Dion is causing problems for the team chemistry.

Now his play needs to improve a lot and it starts with energy and outlook. But we're the polar opposite locker room than were were last year. Whereas last year, bad attitudes(and we had a ton) could sink any chance we had at cohesion, this year we have a team that can handle a guy who is still finding his way.

Also, sorry, maybe tonight Will Cherry is giving the team close to equal what Dion gave, but you are simply ignoring several games this year where Dion helped immensely. The team will likely continue to work with him and on him to make those good games the norm instead of one out of every 2 to 3 games.

 

[Simmy]

The Cavs are in an incredibly difficult position with Dion right now. His value has diminished significantly, and it's become more and more painfully obvious that with each game, Dion just doesn't fit into this Cleveland jigsaw.

So what are the options? A trade seems likely but there's going to be a huge issue with what you'd actually get back from him. I'm sure the Cavs know this and aren't prepared to ship him out for next to nothing just to get rid of him.

Blatt can continue to try to integrate him without this system but this also seems unlikely. Dion's body-language is very telling: It says "I'm done. I didn't work my tail off just so I could play garbage time with the scrubs." The problem is, Dion has no right whatsoever to argue that case given his output so far this season. So it seems unlikely that finding a place for him within any lineup on the floor is going to be just as difficult as finding a possible trade for him.

 

[melecoaze]

It's not last year. This locker room is rock solid with the staff we have and the vets on the team. There is no way Dion is causing problems for the team chemistry.

Now his play needs to improve a lot and it starts with energy and outlook. But we're the polar opposite locker room than were were last year. Whereas last year, bad attitudes(and we had a ton) could sink any chance we had at cohesion, this year we have a team that can handle a guy who is still finding his way.

Also, sorry, maybe tonight Will Cherry is giving the team close to equal what Dion gave, but you are simply ignoring several games this year where Dion helped immensely. The team will likely continue to work with him and on him to make those good games the norm instead of one out of every 2 to 3 games.

I'm sorry but that's just not true. Several games? He's been trash in like 80% of the games, and in the ones he looked decent he did not help "immensely". Dion's performance has been irrelevant in the outcome of the games, we have been heavily dependent on how our big 3 plays.

 

[CavsFan005]

The Cavs are in an incredibly difficult position with Dion right now. His value has diminished significantly, and it's become more and more painfully obvious that with each game, Dion just doesn't fit into this Cleveland jigsaw.

So what are the options? A trade seems likely but there's going to be a huge issue with what you'd actually get back from him. I'm sure the Cavs know this and aren't prepared to ship him out for next to nothing just to get rid of him.

Blatt can continue to try to integrate him without this system but this also seems unlikely. Dion's body-language is very telling: It says "I'm done. I didn't work my tail off just so I could play garbage time with the scrubs." The problem is, Dion has no right whatsoever to argue that case given his output so far this season. So it seems unlikely that finding a place for him within any lineup on the floor is going to be just as difficult as finding a possible trade for him.

Id agree with this. What I think we should do is start him for about 10 games and see if he pulls his head out of his ass. Then if he starts putting together a string of decent games get on the phones and start looking for ANY kind of talent you can get back from him. I don't think he fits the puzzle either as a starter or 6th man

 

[B3team]

if you are want to trade him that means you have to showcase him (aka: start him at the 2). The problem is that he is playing so bad and the coaches probably think we can't afford to lose games early in the season.

I would bite the bullet and start him, give him significant minutes and a green light, and hope he can have 2 or 3 30 point games. If he does, you can get decent value for him at the deadline. Try to get someone who can do what Dion should be doing - instant offense off the bench. Our bench looks like cancer.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

Dion just doesn't get it and I'm not sure he ever will. I really expected him to benefit this year with all the open shots he'd get with focus on our Big 3. But from what I've seen, he doesn't seem to care too much if we win or lose. He comes off the bench looking for "his" because he truly feels he's just as good as Kyrie, but he's just not.

It's sad to see Dion slowly playing his way off this team when our other guard of the future, Kyrie, is buying in and actually raising his game. At least we can be happy one of them was able take advantage of the opportunity.