Dion Waiters Traded

[Rich]

I'd take a longer wing player that can defend at a passable level and knock down threes. Basically Aaron Afflalo if the Nuggets season hadn't turned around .

 

[Keith]

If he's traded, it better be for a starting center that can block shots.

Then we'll need a scorer off the bench

 

[catfish]

If Dion were to do what we want him to be-basically be a dynamic scorer off the bench he would be invaluable. My opinion of the Dion issue as changed during the season. In the beginning I though he should be a starter period. However there clearly are not enough shots to go around for the Big 3 Varejo and Dion. He could make himself a lot of money if he really was the super sub. Not sure why people complain about him being a ball hog. That is how he is going to make a living in the association.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

If Dion were to do what we want him to be-basically be a dynamic scorer off the bench he would be invaluable. My opinion of the Dion issue as changed during the season. In the beginning I though he should be a starter period. However there clearly are not enough shots to go around for the Big 3 Varejo and Dion. He could make himself a lot of money if he really was the super sub. Not sure why people complain about him being a ball hog. That is how he is going to make a living in the association.

If that's true, and if Dion's sole ability to be successful in the NBA is to be a ball hog, then he's going to have to go somewhere else to do it.

Having Dion being a ball hog and jacking up step back 2's is about the dead last on optimal ways to handle the offense.

 

[KI4MVP]

Dion isn't going to be successful in this league being a ball hog for any team. He needs to embrace the Ginobili role. A career 10 shots a game player who spend the majority of his time coming off the bench, has 4 NBA championships and who is headed to the hall of fame.

 

[mcfly]

Dion isn't going to be successful in this league being a ball hog for any team. He needs to embrace the Ginobili role. A career 10 shots a game player who spend the majority of his time coming off the bench, has 4 NBA championships and who is headed to the hall of fame.

So what you are actually saying is that Dion is not going to be successful in this league being a ball hog for any team... as a starter.

 

[CavsFan87]

Dion isn't going to be successful in this league being a ball hog for any team. He needs to embrace the Ginobili role. A career 10 shots a game player who spend the majority of his time coming off the bench, has 4 NBA championships and who is headed to the hall of fame.

Part of that process will be learning how to flop and allowing his hair to get incredibly thin on top...

=) But I agree with your post

 

[theSTEREO.]

If he's traded, it better be for a starting center that can block shots.

I wouldn't totally get your hopes up. I think the Cavs are aiming high names that Windy floated out last week on his show aren't ones that would really be attainable until we have Haywood's contract to include. They've got their eyes set on guys at the Deandre Jordan, Roy Hibbert, Tyson Chandler and Marc Gasol levels. Other than Hibbert, none of those guys are even semi-available right now.

I think if they make a move for a center, it's gonna be a stop gap center. Like, maybe they get their hands on Mozzy, but then plan to flip him for an upgrade in the summer.

 

[daytripper]

Dion eventually have a Jamal Crawford or Ginobili type role. Those guys are invaluable to their teams and both also have the green light to shoot as long as they are doing all the other little things on the court to help the team. It also took Crawford a decade in the league, not to mention playing on numerous teams, before he accepted his role and became a team player.

Unfortunately these young talented kids coming into the league are typically more interested in putting up stats and getting big paydays moreso than playing winning ball. It's not really Dion's fault..it's the AAU mentality. In Dion's defense I believe he does want to do the right things and fit in with this team. I believe the kid really does want to win and is working hard to improve his game. I believe he wants to win in Cleveland. At the same time I love and hate his attitude on the court but do see baby steps. Even so he might not have the maturity level yet to give the consistent contribution the Cavs need at this point. If I'm in a back alley brawl Dion is the guy I want on this team to have my back. I will always be a fan of the kid regardless if he plays here or ultimately, like most players in this league, ends up moving around. One day when his maturity level matches his talent he's going to be a very good and consistent contributor on a winning team.

 

[Zen]

If Dion were to do what we want him to be-basically be a dynamic scorer off the bench he would be invaluable. My opinion of the Dion issue as changed during the season. In the beginning I though he should be a starter period. However there clearly are not enough shots to go around for the Big 3 Varejo and Dion. He could make himself a lot of money if he really was the super sub. Not sure why people complain about him being a ball hog. That is how he is going to make a living in the association.

The only problem with that is that you need to be a good scorer for it to work. If you shoot 20% from 3-10 feet, can't finish, and are a poor free throw shooter it becomes difficult.

I think the original names we hear in connection to a Dion trade are going to be a bit optimistic. We will probably add a solid role player to the team and it will in essence be addition by subtraction.

 

[Kbiz]

What type of player was Manu at Dion's age? Any insight fellas?

I will tell you right now Ginobili's Bball IQ blows Waiters out of the water. He makes the right basketball play 80% of the time. That's a lofty ceiling, IMO.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Dion eventually have a Jamal Crawford or Ginobili type role. Those guys are invaluable to their teams and both also have the green light to shoot as long as they are doing all the other little things on the court to help the team.

The problem with Dion filling the Ginobilli role is that the Cavs really don't have a Ginobilli role. The Cavs have 3 guys who were in the top 15 in scoring last year, including the Nos. 3 and 4 scorers in the entire league. The Spurs didn't have anyone in the top 30 scorers.

The only way to get nearly enough shots for the Big 3 -- to truly take advantage of their scoring abilities -- is for each of them to get more shots when one or two of the others are on the bench. Ginobilli, on the other hand, was expected to carry a major part of the scoring load because nobody else averaged even 17 ppg. And even then, in that role, Ginobilli played less than 23 mpg, and scored less than 13 ppg. If you look at how the "Ginobilli" role is much smaller on this roster, than we can't expect Dion to even get that many shots.

I'd agree that this reduced-Ginobilli role is the one that Don best fits on the Cavs, but I can't believe that a young guy like him really would be satisfied with that. Given what we've got with the Big 3, what the Cavs really need in terms of bench scoring are role-playing efficient shooters. Dion is really more of a high-volume scorer, not a high-efficiency shooter, and I just don't see a fit that will make both him and the team happy.

And while I might blame Dion for how he acts sometimes, I wouldn't fault him for believing that there is no suitable role for him on this team that takes advantage of his talents/potential. Maybe if he was 28 and had failed in the role of leading or secondary scorer for some team, fine. But at this point, I can't fault him for wanting the chance to prove he's more than a 20 mpg, 10-12 ppg kind of guy.

 

[NarlCavs]

I don't think Dion's value around the league is as high as we hope it to be. I can't see a team giving up a quality big for him. Might be best to look for a wing who fits better.
Don't hate Dion but don't think he fits here or will fit here. He says the right things but his play, actions & behavior on the court don't back up his words.
I might look at a deal with the 76ers involving KJ McDaniels who would bring a bigger wing who's athletic and can defend. Could be a nice long term fit.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I might look at a deal with the 76ers involving KJ McDaniels who would bring a bigger wing who's athletic and can defend. Could be a nice long term fit.

Of course, the problem is the contract that makes him a free agent at the end of the year. We'd be trading Dion for a few months' rental. Otherwise, I like it. He just had a 21 pt., 13 rb. game.

 

[elcheato]

Of course, the problem is the contract that makes him a free agent at the end of the year. We'd be trading Dion for a few months' rental. Otherwise, I like it. He just had a 21 pt., 13 rb. game.

On the flip side, it makes him a restricted free agent, so the Cavs would have no problem retaining him.

Not sure the 76ers would be interested.