Farewell, Timofey Mozgov

[Randolphkeys]

I said it before and I will say it again:

The Cavaliers made 5 trades, used 8 second round picks, two first round picks, five delayed signings and 1 million in cash last fall to eventually land Mozgov. You don't do all of that to let him walk a year later over a few million. The Cavaliers will likely gift-wrap half the bench to another team for cap space rather than let Moz walk in free agency.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I said it before and I will say it again:

The Cavaliers made 5 trades, used 8 second round picks, two first round picks, five delayed signings and 1 million in cash last fall to eventually land Mozgov. You don't do all of that to let him walk a year later over a few million. The Cavaliers will likely gift-wrap half the bench to another team for cap space rather than let Moz walk in free agency.

Thank you. Too many people keep suggesting it is a "one or the other" situation with him and Tristan around the forum, which I have no idea how they got or where they got it from. Re-signing Tristan doesn't prohibit us from re-signing Timo, yet people keep trying to say Tristan better not screw us out of re-signing Timo? I don't get it. They aren't going to let either of them walk.

 

[Kypus]

I said it before and I will say it again...

No need, my good man...what I require is a visual aid here to get this all in 1 place.

The Cavaliers made 5 trades, used 8 second round picks, two first round picks, five delayed signings and 1 million in cash last fall to eventually land Mozgov.

Perhaps a chart resembling Ron Swanson's pyramid of greatness...

You don't do all of that to let him walk a year later over a few million.

I hope Griff is on this like white on rice, and Gilbert is the person he accidentally pocket-dials.

The Cavaliers will likely gift-wrap half the bench to another team for cap space rather than let Moz walk in free agency.

I definitely agree with keeping the rim protector as priority over the bench players. That includes 3D players like Shump, JR so far...

Priorities in today's NBA for any team:
1) Big Three (or Two, depending on how you build your team)
2) Rim protector
3) 3D players fill out rest of bench

Spread ballhandling generously. Bake at 400 for 4 series 3-5 yrs.

 

[edwinx]

I was wondering the same thing. Here's something I found from two weeks ago.

http://www.fiba.com/news/knee-surgery-forces-mozgov-out-of-eurobasket-2015


MOSCOW (EuroBasket 2015) - Russia will be without their big man in the middle for EuroBasket 2015 as NBA center Timofey Mozgov has pulled out of the tournament to recover from recent knee surgery.

The Cleveland Cavaliers center underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right knee on 1 July after injuring it during the NBA playoffs but playing on through the Finals. The 28-year-old Mozgov said he needs time to recover.

"First of all, that was not my decision, to come or not. The circumstances played their role. I will not be able to help the national team because of recent knee surgery," Mozgov was quoted as saying in the Sport Express.


I'm glad he's not playing for Russia this summer. Rest up the knee, big man!

There were also reports that the Cavs put his recovery time at 6 weeks from the surgery date, which was on July 1.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/07/02/timofey-mozgov-knee-surgery-out-six-weeks.ap/

CLEVELAND (AP) — Cleveland Cavaliers center Timofey Mozgov has undergone successful right knee arthroscopic surgery and the team says he'll be out about six weeks.

Thanks for the useful information.

I agree the pros of his injury is to avoid international games. So do Irving and Love...

Just wish all of our cores become healthy before training camp.

 

[supergoat52]

I said it before and I will say it again:

The Cavaliers made 5 trades, used 8 second round picks, two first round picks, five delayed signings and 1 million in cash last fall to eventually land Mozgov. You don't do all of that to let him walk a year later over a few million. The Cavaliers will likely gift-wrap half the bench to another team for cap space rather than let Moz walk in free agency.

I've heard you and others say this and I agree with your points, but i think we are misleading ourselves with the "few million" part.

The article about him not signing an extension suggests that he will command around $13 million a year next year, and frankly I think that is a pipe dream.

Luckily he will only have 6 years of service and will qualify for the lowest tier of a max contract, but that will start at $21 million a year. Given his clear value, which we and everyone else sees, and the fact that he will be unrestricted, so everyone will negotiate with him, I think he gets close to that.

It's easy to say that we will keep him for 4 years 60 million, but I think that question is irrelevant and we really need to ask if we will keep him for 4 years 90 million.

You clearly have more confidence than I do with this situation, is that because you think he will command closer to 4/60? Or is it because you are more confident that we will pay 4/90?

 

[Lee]

I've heard you and others say this and I agree with your points, but i think we are misleading ourselves with the "few million" part.

The article about him not signing an extension suggests that he will command around $13 million a year next year, and frankly I think that is a pipe dream.

Luckily he will only have 6 years of service and will qualify for the lowest tier of a max contract, but that will start at $21 million a year. Given his clear value, which we and everyone else sees, and the fact that he will be unrestricted, so everyone will negotiate with him, I think he gets close to that.

It's easy to say that we will keep him for 4 years 60 million, but I think that question is irrelevant and we really need to ask if we will keep him for 4 years 90 million.

You clearly have more confidence than I do with this situation, is that because you think he will command closer to 4/60? Or is it because you are more confident that we will pay 4/90?

I think Moz is somewhere between DeAndre and Robin Lopez, but probably perceived closer to Lopez level. I think 4/70 should do it.

Will we pay that? i would think so. 4 years starting at 16 million per.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

The Cavs will undoubtedly pay Mozgov.

Remember this, every single season now with the way the cap is exploding, Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving's "max" deals become cap friendly super-bargains, it will make it a lot easier to stomach paying Mozgov when Love and Irving are both getting paid 30 million less than they really should over 3-4 years.

 

[Paul]

Excerpt from Terry Pluto's latest:

"The Cavs' 7-foot center is under contract for $4.6 million this season. He will be a free agent in the Money Summer of 2016. You can put $100 million next to his name with an arrow pointing UP.

Big men in the NBA almost always are overpaid."

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/08/cleveland_cavaliers_will_proba.html#incart_river

 

[spydy13]

Excerpt from Terry Pluto's latest:

"The Cavs' 7-foot center is under contract for $4.6 million this season. He will be a free agent in the Money Summer of 2016. You can put $100 million next to his name with an arrow pointing UP.

Big men in the NBA almost always are overpaid."

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/08/cleveland_cavaliers_will_proba.html#incart_river

The one thing going against him is that he'll be 30 at the start of his deal, so teams might be hesitant to commit big money and years to a guy that will be 35 at the end of his deal.

I'm hoping that a desire to stay with a winning team that believed in him and keep playing for Blatt, will keep him in the very reasonable $15M range.

 

[Unbiased Expert]

I'm hoping that a desire to stay with a winning team that believed in him and keep playing for Blatt, will keep him in the very reasonable $15M range.

Yeah, especially after his young teammates lead by example of a humble and loyal behaviour.

 

[cavsfever]

The Knicks got Lopez for 4 years/$54 million, and Lopez is a 7 footer who is two years younger than Mozgov and not that far off stats-wise. (Moz is better but not by much). Unless he has a real breakout season we should be able to keep Moz for 4 years and $80 million or less. People are just inflating Moz's salary because we keep talking about crazy numbers for TT, who is not as important as Moz but for some reason has convinced himself he deserves the max.

 

[Chris Parker]

The Knicks got Lopez for 4 years/$54 million, and Lopez is a 7 footer who is two years younger than Mozgov and not that far off stats-wise. (Moz is better but not by much). Unless he has a real breakout season we should be able to keep Moz for 4 years and $80 million or less. People are just inflating Moz's salary because we keep talking about crazy numbers for TT, who is not as important as Moz but for some reason has convinced himself he deserves the max.

The difference is that there will be more teams with cap room bidding and more teams in need of a relatively mobile center than are in need of a backup PF. Honestly there are probably 18-25 teams in the league he couldn't start for.

I floated $25M just because $15M seemed so low given the new cap. I think $20M is on the high end (tho' i'd pay it), but I also think $14-15M is where you draw the line on TT. Indeed, I don't like paying more than $12M, but with the cap exploding I guess it's conscionable

 

[Paul]

Random Mozgov update lol

View: https://twitter.com/chernykh/status/636301769967017984

 

[Man Called X]

Random Mozgov update lol

View: https://twitter.com/chernykh/status/636301769967017984

Did LeBron buy those damn half segway things for the whole team?

 

[tocov]

That's weird. The FIBA Eurobasket started today, neither Mozgov or Kaun are on the Russian team.

Watching Germany play right now, both Nowitzky and Schroeder are playing, so NBA players do take part.