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Farewell to Sergey Karasev

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RchfldCavRaised said:
I love watching Karasev play right now. Looks like a perfect offensive compliment to Kyrie in the backcourt with his size, vision and playmaking ability. REALLY a 6'7 PG with perfect spot up ability.

Said before the start of last season that he was a better long term prospect as a 2g than Dion.

Great get for Brooklyn.
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Doubt he could co-exist with Drummond and Valanciunas out there though...
 
The Oi said:
The Grant/Griffin exchange will end up going down as one of the worst GM combos in history when you look at it on paper say 10 years from now.

You figure...

Bynum signing was an abortion
Jack signing was an abortion


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You cannot
Bennett as a #1 pick will be a disaster


Tristan over Valanciunas, IF JV becomes a borderline star
Waiters over Drummond, when Drummond becomes a star
Love leaves after one contract
Wiggins becomes a superstar
Karasev becomes a solid role player
Zeller becomes a solid role player

And all of this resulting in no championships.

A great deal of this will have been Gilbert's fault, but this is all going to look absolutely awful when all these players are in their primes and the Cavs are still ring-less. You'll see Griffin and Grant on those top 10 worst GM's/top 10 worst moves lists.
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You cannot lump Grant in here when his hands were tied on so many of those moves. We know he wanted to trade out of the Bennett pick, we know he wanted Valenciunus(sp), the Bynum experiment was pushed on him. You cannot lament the loss of Zeller n Karasev when they were Grant picks- not to mention that Karasev will be more than a role player imo. Jarrett Jack has returned to being useful after having exited too.

Grant had his f ups but I cannot and will not see him lumped in with the truly bad gms. Had he been allowed to do his job this team looks far different and probably would not have been in a position to even get Wiggins. Jury is still out in Griffin and obviously if he blew all of Grants asset building on a pile of crap he deserves the ranking but I'm not saddling Grant with his poor decisions. Griffin can't screw up with out the tools Grant worked to get him. Griffin was not left a barren cabinet and that is what awful GMs do.
 
macbdog said:
You cannot lump Grant in here when his hands were tied on so many of those moves. We know he wanted to trade out of the Bennett pick, we know he wanted Valenciunus(sp), the Bynum experiment was pushed on him. You cannot lament the loss of Zeller n Karasev when they were Grant picks- not to mention that Karasev will be more than a role player imo. Jarrett Jack has returned to being useful after having exited too.

Grant had his f ups but I cannot and will not see him lumped in with the truly bad gms. Had he been allowed to do his job this team looks far different and probably would not have been in a position to even get Wiggins. Jury is still out in Griffin and obviously if he blew all of Grants asset building on a pile of crap he deserves the ranking but I'm not saddling Grant with his poor decisions. Griffin can't screw up with out the tools Grant worked to get him. Griffin was not left a barren cabinet and that is what awful GMs do.
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I'm looking at this from a pure "on paper" standpoint and telling you how it will be presented to you in the media once Wiggins, Karasev and Zeller are still being productive in the league to varying degrees.

You think the guys that are growing up reading Bill Simmons articles now are going to remember that it was Dan Gilbert that hamstrung Grant when they make their lists of the worst GM's in history? I think it's unlikely. In fact, there's probably only 2-3 people on this site that knew that to be the case in the first place.

The national narrative is to pile on Cleveland in all sports and I think they'll find it to be easier to attack what will look like terrible personnel moves 10 years from now than Gilbert's Cuban-like antics.

Whether Grant's decisions would have been better without Gilbert or not is indeterminate and irrelevant now and will be even moreso 10 years from now when LeBron and Love are out of the league.
 
Here's the narrative you'll get to enjoy for the next decade...

"Short sighted Cavs front office blew their wads unloading two useful role players, a future superstar and other assets in return for a soft supposed superstar who never really seemed to fit with the Cavs all in an effort to impress a suddenly injury-prone LeBron James that was never quite the same player he once was once he came to Cleveland."

You should be able to feel this coming in the same place you felt the Browns collapse coming.
 
RchfldCavRaised said:
I love watching Karasev play right now. Looks like a perfect offensive compliment to Kyrie in the backcourt with his size, vision and playmaking ability. REALLY a 6'7 PG with perfect spot up ability.

Said before the start of last season that he was a better long term prospect as a 2g than Dion.

Great get for Brooklyn.
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Karasev was a mistake from the beginning even if he ends up having a good career. Passing up on Dieng and Goubert after we passed on center with the other draft picks was foolish and killing us right now.
 
Pioneer10 said:
Karasev was a mistake from the beginning even if he ends up having a good career. Passing up on Dieng and Goubert after we passed on center with the other draft picks was foolish and killing us right now.
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Dieng is an awful rim protector, ask Wolves fans. He would not have solved any problem. Plumlee on the other hand...
 
It seems the main edge Karasev has over Joe Harris is about two inches in height, a year of NBA experience, and a crappy Bogdanovic to contend with for playing time. Karasev has been less than impressive defensively. That is why Dion, Delly, and Harris are still on the team while Karasev was smiling on the bench last year. Toughness is hard to teach.
 
I give Grant MAJOR props for Karasev and Dellavadova last year's draft. Both are very smart, high IQ basketball guys with coaches pedigrees that we needed. In the same breath, he made a HORRIBLE mistake in bringing back Mike Brown to coach those two gems and totally negated finding them last season.

Karasev needed to get stronger and have his confidence built (something very similarly to what Bennet needed before he was broken by MB) last year, and Dellavadova needed to NOT be used as a "Rudy" scapegoat in order to inspire Kyrie and Dion to play Mike Browns style of play.
Pioneer10 said:
Karasev was a mistake from the beginning even if he ends up having a good career. Passing up on Dieng and Goubert after we passed on center with the other draft picks was foolish and killing us right now.
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I agree and disagree Pioneer. (if thats possible)

I disagree here because I dont feel you compound one mistake by making more. In both Bennett and Karasev, I felt I saw Grant trying to give himself an out on two #4 picks who were going to try to command the kind of money they werent worth in the next concurrent summers in Thompson and Waiters respectively. Not to mention he already blew assets to move up and pick Zeller who proved he is at best a backup rotational big man (though I always felt he was a bitch/sf in a center body anyway).

It was unfortunate for him, that he also chose a coach who was TERRIBLE at developing that young talent. Really dumb move that ultimately I felt, cost him his job even more than his early bad drafting. Had he chosen another coach last season or maybe not chopped off Byron Scotts nuts a few months before, maybe he would have made it through last season and had last years draft class show much more.

Where I agree with you at is, Grant should have addressed Center LONG before picking replaceable position players like SG/PF. This is where I lost my shit on the 2011 draft night. Sure, I wanted JV, but even more than that, I wanted the C position taken care of before we worried about a position that we could fill every damn summer with replaceable budget players. Would love either Gorbert or Dieng here. SHIT... I still hold firm that I would have loved Alex Len or Joel Embiid despite the injuries they both have had to overcome (Len looks great recently by the way)
 
The Brooklyn Nets’ newest star, Sergey Karasev, might have a racy reason for his miserable two-point performance during Sunday’s game against the Heat. The baller was spotted walking into the elegant Four Seasons Hotel Miami at 5 a.m. that morning accompanied by three curvy strippers, an eyewitness reports.

The good-looking, 6-foot-8 Russian seems to be enjoying his time in the limelight with the Nets. “They all got out of one car, looking like one big happy family,” says the shocked witness. “They were talking about what a generous tipper he was at the strip club that evening where they met.”

The spy describes the trio of ladies as “hot, busty strippers. They were all Spanish. One was shorter than the rest and had Pamela Anderson-style barbed-wire tattoos and high heels.”

Karasev, who was traded to the Nets in July, didn’t seem worried that he was also expected to score at an NBA game hours later at 6 p.m — or that the Four Seasons was the official team hotel.

“He brazenly walked right in front, leading them in,” says the spy, who added that other hotel guests checking out in the early morning to catch a flight to New York were aghast. “Two strippers walked in behind him holding hands with each other and the third straddled in after them about five feet behind.”

Later that day, the Nets lost to the Heat, 88-84. Karasev, who at 21 is the team’s youngest player, started the game but managed just two points and one assist. “He played like crap,” says one disappointed fan of fun-loving Karasev, who was born in St. Petersburg and, at 18, was the youngest basketball player in the 2012 Olympics for Russia.

A rep for the Nets declined to comment.

The new Net, whose contract runs through the 2015–16 season, has otherwise been playing well, and gained the support of his teammates. “He plays well off the ball, can pass, knows when to cut, works hard,” star teammate Deron Williams told The Post last week. Coach Lionel Hollins commented of Karasev, “He’s a good basketball player. He makes plays, anticipates.”

Apparently, he also tips strippers very well.
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I miss this guy


But his deal got us lebron sooooo
 
These threads about these payers we miss says more about the garbage we have rather than what was lost.
 
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