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Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Maybe there isn't a huge need for Bynum when we have Zeller (and Varejao and Tristan). The guy only had one good year statistically, he's injury prone, he has attitude problems, he's played on one of the most talented teams in the league which makes him look better, he might not resign with us and we already have a lot of young bigs. Seriously there are a lot of guys I'd be excited about but Bynum isn't one of them. Good thing this trade has little chance of going down.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

There's not a huge need for Zeller if we have Bynum.

Not sure why you would say that. First, I think the Bynum thing is highly unlikely, but even if it did happen, TZ has shown plenty enough athleticism and skill to be, in the least, a good rotational big. He's a true C, unlike Andy and Sam, and possesses skills neither of them have. Not to mention Bynum's injury concerns. You can never have enough bigs, imo.
 
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We have a real chance to acquire a legitimate superstar that only comes around every decade.

Sorry to break it to you kid but Bynum ain't no superstar. Star maybe and I think that is stretching it.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

not sure if anyone posted this from ESPN...

If Cavs are insistent on an extention from AB before making a trade, this (above) is the most likely scenario. Once the Asik deal is finalized, Houston will know exactly how much it can absorb in bad contracts from Orlando, and can adjust the rest of the package (players and picks) accordingly. DH to Houston direct (no 3 way deal) sometime this week, wiith AB then signing a bird contract with LA, is what my crystal ball says. AB has got to realize that his best and most immediate bet for a Bird Contact is with LA.

Bottom line (THe DIF) is that Houston seems willing to take on DH without the extension, banking on its ability to re-sign him long term with a Bird contract; but, Clev is unwilling to take that chance with AB.

Those that want to then continue the DHmania can predict if he will re-sign with Houston for the 2013 season. Some will predict that DH will re-sign with Houston due to the extra year/$$$ that H could then offer. Again, same extra year/$$$ would apply to AB-Clev, but we appear not willing to take that gamble.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

If Cavs are insistent on an extention from AB before making a trade, this (above) is the most likely scenario. Once the Asik deal is finalized, Houston will know exactly how much it can absorb in bad contracts from Orlando, and can adjust the rest of the package (players and picks) accordingly. DH to Houston direct (no 3 way deal) sometime this week, wiith AB then signing a bird contract with LA, is what my crystal ball says. AB has got to realize that his best and most immediate bet for a Bird Contact is with LA.

Bottom line (THe DIF) is that Houston seems willing to take on DH without the extension, banking on its ability to re-sign him long term with a Bird contract; but, Clev is unwilling to take that chance with AB.

Those that want to then continue the DHmania can predict if he will re-sign with Houston for the 2013 season. Some will predict that DH will re-sign with Houston due to the extra year/$$$ that H could then offer. Again, same extra year/$$$ would apply to AB-Clev, but we appear not willing to take that gamble.

I disagree, I think Dwight would go to Dallas if he was traded to Houston. He will play the same power play LJ did with the cavs. Houston will want something back. Looking at Houston's roster with Dwight they are barely a playoff team.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Not sure why you would say that. First, I think the Bynum thing is highly unlikely, but even if it did happen, TZ has shown plenty enough athleticism and skill to be, in the least, a good rotational big. He's a true C, unlike Andy and Sam, and possesses skills neither of them have. Not to mention Bynum's injury concerns. You can never have enough bigs, imo.

Whether the Bynum thing is likely or not is irrelevant, we where speaking with what ifs. Agreed that having numerous bigs is a good thing, but Waiters would fill a much bigger hole in this instance.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

If Cavs are insistent on an extention from AB before making a trade, this (above) is the most likely scenario. Once the Asik deal is finalized, Houston will know exactly how much it can absorb in bad contracts from Orlando, and can adjust the rest of the package (players and picks) accordingly. DH to Houston direct (no 3 way deal) sometime this week, wiith AB then signing a bird contract with LA, is what my crystal ball says. AB has got to realize that his best and most immediate bet for a Bird Contact is with LA.

Bottom line (THe DIF) is that Houston seems willing to take on DH without the extension, banking on its ability to re-sign him long term with a Bird contract; but, Clev is unwilling to take that chance with AB.

Those that want to then continue the DHmania can predict if he will re-sign with Houston for the 2013 season. Some will predict that DH will re-sign with Houston due to the extra year/$$$ that H could then offer. Again, same extra year/$$$ would apply to AB-Clev, but we appear not willing to take that gamble.

I was under the impression that Bynum can not sign a "bird contract" until he becomes a free agent. So, he can not sign one next week, only after the season.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

I was under the impression that Bynum can not sign a "bird contract" until he becomes a free agent. So, he can not sign one next week, only after the season.

That's correct. He has to play out his contract, become a free agent, and then sign with LA (or whatever other team he ends the season with) to get a new max/Bird 5-year contract.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

a dude with knee history is not going to leave an extra year on the table... trade for him. This isn't lebron james.. he won't make that up with endorsements
 
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a dude with knee history is not going to leave an extra year on the table... trade for him. This isn't lebron james.. he won't make that up with endorsements

Actually, I think that LeBron only left a tiny bit on the table, and it wasn't an extra year or anything. But, after taxes, O believe LeBron actually makes more in Miami just from his NBA salary than he would've in Cleveland because he isn't taxed whenever he plays in Florida.
 
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Actually, I think that LeBron only left a tiny bit on the table, and it wasn't an extra year or anything. But, after taxes, O believe LeBron actually makes more in Miami just from his NBA salary than he would've in Cleveland because he isn't taxed whenever he plays in Florida.

i was just saying.. he doesn't have a bitch load of money in endorsements
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Actually, I think that LeBron only left a tiny bit on the table, and it wasn't an extra year or anything. But, after taxes, O believe LeBron actually makes more in Miami just from his NBA salary than he would've in Cleveland because he isn't taxed whenever he plays in Florida.

He is still taxed on all his income, he just doesn't have to pay any state income tax because Florida doesn't have one. Also, his property taxes are low in Florida.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Actually, I think that LeBron only left a tiny bit on the table, and it wasn't an extra year or anything. But, after taxes, O believe LeBron actually makes more in Miami just from his NBA salary than he would've in Cleveland because he isn't taxed whenever he plays in Florida.

Here is how Larry Coon broke down the tax advantage of no state income tax:
75. Are teams really competing on a level playing field? Since the tax rate is different in the different states and Canada, don't the teams in a more "tax friendly" state have an advantage over the other teams?

Yes they do. For example, an offer from Orlando will provide a higher net income than the same offer from Los Angeles, because the player will play at least half his games in a state with no state income tax. But the advantage is not quite as large as you might expect, because most jurisdictions with NBA teams require visiting athletes to pay state income taxes (often called a "jock tax") for each "duty day" they spend there. There is not a standard definition for a duty day, but it is generally considered to be any day the player spends in a particular jurisdiction, including for preseason, regular season and postseason games. For example, if there are 170 duty days in a season and a player plays five of those duty days in a state with a jock tax, then the player will pay state income taxes in that state based on 5/170 of his income.

Currently:

Florida (Heat and Magic), Tennessee (Grizzlies) and Texas (Mavericks, Rockets and Spurs) have no state income tax.
Florida (Heat and Magic), Ontario (Raptors), Tennessee (Grizzlies), Texas (Mavericks, Rockets and Spurs) and Washington D.C. (Wizards) do not make visiting athletes pay a jock tax.
Illinois (Bulls) does not make visiting athletes pay a jock tax if they come from jurisdictions without a jock tax. However, Illinois does not credit its residents for jock taxes paid out of state, so Bulls players can be double-taxed for some road games.
The league also has regulations to help neutralize the tax disadvantage of Canadian teams, and there is language in the CBA to help protect players' benefits from any adverse effects caused by changes in Canadian legislation or tax laws.

Incidentally, players are always paid in U.S. dollars, even if their team is located in Canada.

NBA Salary Cap FAQ

Of course the tax advantage that they offer down there is pretty big, but I don't think that it offsets him making more money if he had stayed in Cleveland. Also when you factor in the cost of living down there, Cleveland would have the advantage there as well.
 

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