Game 10: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Philadelphia 76ers | November 18th, 2012 | 6 PM [EST]

[Pioneer10]

Re: Game 10: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Philadelphia 76ers | November 18th, 2012 | 6 PM [E

No, he really wasn't terrible. He regressed from his rookie year, true, but was still a decent rotation player who played solid D, rebounded and hustled while shooting 3's at a healthy .372% clip and playing much less tentative.

I have already asked the question adanchristian asked in the coach Scott thread: taking small sample size into account, how much can you put the regression of guys like Miles, Casspi and Leuer on the players themselves, and how much on the coaching, rotations etc.?

A PER of 11.7 backed by a total FG% of 41.2% is terrible. Casspi basically in the games I saw of the King in his second year (and I saw a fair number of them since I live in the West Coast): stood around the perimeter and if he couldn't shoot the 3 was terrible - couldn't drive and provided little else. Interestingly enough his PER was 11.2 last year and is hovering around the 11 mark this year. Difficult to blame that on coaching. To be fair: I think Casspi has played better the last few games but every time I think he's about to turn the corner he does a bone head move

Who knows about Miles, it seems like he thinks he has a green light. Back in Utah I don't remember him chucking this much and I'm wondering if the trade and fresh start has actually nourished the idea in his head that he thinks he's a lot better then he really is. CJamison Miles biggest problem right now is instead of trying to fit in, he's putting up shots only a guy like Kobe could get away with.

On the whole: these are guys who were let go by their teams and looks like these teams were justified in doing so. I'm not claiming Scott is great but you can also point out that both AV and Boobie have looked this season to be really resurgent in the quality of their play. Plus Alonzo Gee looks like a decent NBA starter which goes against the idea that Scott is bad at developing talent.

 

[Real Deal]

Re: Game 10: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Philadelphia 76ers | November 18th, 2012 | 6 PM [E

I lost it a little bit on my posts, I apologize. I want TT to be a 10-10 guy, if more. I just fear, and I mean FEAR of becoming a team like Charlotte or Toronto. High pick, after high pick, after high pick, and do nothing with them. I fear that. That's why I disagree so much with the pick of TT and im a Cleveland fan that is empty on patience. We won't get significant players through free agency unless Kyrie grows into a top 3 PG, develops great relationships and recruits, also sells this great City of Cleveland. With that said, we must hit on the draft. I hope this building we have gets bigger and more stable.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Re: Game 10: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Philadelphia 76ers | November 18th, 2012 | 6 PM [E

Thompson now has 3 consecutive games with 11 or more shots. something he did zero times last season. he also has 4 double doubles in 9 games compared to 9 in 60. He also has 6 consecutive games in double digit scoring. something else he never did last year. it took thompson almost 40 games before he had 4 consecutive games shooting over 50% (1 of them he only took 2 shots) and he has already done that in his first ten.

Tristan is not only showing improvement and development strides on both sides of the court but he is also showing consistency.

Agreed. He's pretty obviously improved from last year. He's also not always a black hole on offense, as he's over doubled his assists from last year despite only playing about six extra minutes per game. That was something that myself and I'm sure most other Cavs fans really hated about his game last year.

The main weakness in his game right now is that gathering, and I'm confident that, over time, the trainers will drill it out of him. I saw at least one possession last night where he went up immediately after receiving the ball. Hopefully we see more of that going forward.

I lost it a little bit on my posts, I apologize. I want TT to be a 10-10 guy, if more. I just fear, and I mean FEAR of becoming a team like Charlotte or Toronto. High pick, after high pick, after high pick, and do nothing with them. I fear that. That's why I disagree so much with the pick of TT and im a Cleveland fan that is empty on patience. We won't get significant players through free agency unless Kyrie grows into a top 3 PG, develops great relationships and recruits, also sells this great City of Cleveland. With that said, we must hit on the draft. I hope this building we have gets bigger and more stable.

Charlotte was in the playoffs like two years ago. They made a conscious decision to blow it up because their new GM realized the team's ceiling was a second-round playoff exit. Although it led to an awful season last year, it was the correct decision for the team's future.

 

[RikSmits]

Re: Game 10: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Philadelphia 76ers | November 18th, 2012 | 6 PM [E

A PER of 11.7 backed by a total FG% of 41.2% is terrible. C (...). Plus Alonzo Gee looks like a decent NBA starter which goes against the idea that Scott is bad at developing talent.

Alonzo Gee has a PER of 12.1 backed by a total FG% of 40.0%. So he is a decent NBA starter while Casspi was "terrible" in his second season in the NBA? You'd have to come up with better arguments because you are contradicting yourself here.

Again: I'm not saying Casspi is an All-Star, but he has regressed since coming here, and so have Miles and Leuer (15.3 PER in Milwaukee, almost unused so far). Whether Gee, AV and Boobie are a testament to Scott's ability to develop players is questionable.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Re: Game 10: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Philadelphia 76ers | November 18th, 2012 | 6 PM [E

I lost it a little bit on my posts, I apologize. I want TT to be a 10-10 guy, if more. I just fear, and I mean FEAR of becoming a team like Charlotte or Toronto. High pick, after high pick, after high pick, and do nothing with them. I fear that. That's why I disagree so much with the pick of TT and im a Cleveland fan that is empty on patience. We won't get significant players through free agency unless Kyrie grows into a top 3 PG, develops great relationships and recruits, also sells this great City of Cleveland. With that said, we must hit on the draft. I hope this building we have gets bigger and more stable.

Stop mentioning KL like he was a serious option at 4. He wasn't. If you want to complain that we passed on JV for him, then I guess that's fine (though still annoying). People are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that the draft class where we had #1 and #4 was incredibly weak. Instead of focusing on how TT got picked too early because of a weak draft class, try focusing on how lucky we are we managed to get the only difference maker to come out that year.

 

[Pioneer10]

Re: Game 10: Cleveland Cavaliers @ Philadelphia 76ers | November 18th, 2012 | 6 PM [E

Alonzo Gee has a PER of 12.1 backed by a total FG% of 40.0%. So he is a decent NBA starter while Casspi was "terrible" in his second season in the NBA? You'd have to come up with better arguments because you are contradicting yourself here.

Gee is doing a lot of things that numbers don't get you. A net +/- of 25.8 speak to that. Are you seriously trying to argue that based on stats that Casspi is equivalent to Gee this season because that's what the numbers based argument based on FG% gets you?

As I stated I watched plenty of Kings game during Casspi's second year and he struck me as a marginal player. Simply pointing out that his 3percentage was good doesn't make up for the fact that he looked like a guy that if he wasn't shooting a 3 pointer didn't provide much of anything else which was I mentioned his overall lack of production. Not saying he can't produce more (as I though he seems to be turning it around last few games) but stating his second season with the Kings is evidence of great potential is weak. I don't think anybody would feel Casspi of that year looked better then Gee has.

Again: I'm not saying Casspi is an All-Star, but he has regressed since coming here, and so have Miles and Leuer (15.3 PER in Milwaukee, almost unused so far). Whether Gee, AV and Boobie are a testament to Scott's ability to develop players is questionable.

Why should we discount players improving and only look at players who have done the opposite? Can't have it both ways. I'll emphasize again: these guys were castoffs and for every Jeremy Lin that is let go there are 10 guys who don't do much.