Game 41, Cavs @ Bucks, Wednesday, 14 March 2012, 8:00pm EST

[Rainman]

 

[SOA]

when Jamison and SEssions have off nights we have no chance

now make those trades Grant!

 

[pinoycavsfan]

our bench is terrible.. good game by kyrie except for the turnovers.. 2nd straight game we get outrebounded..

 

[Cavatt]

Terrible game. Wish Gee could have kept it up. He was plying great. Scott Skiles' teams are great at making adjustments defensively tho.

 

[jlegg21]

Where are the "winning culture"/anti-lottery drones tonight, I wonder? That's a bad loss if I've ever seen one, especially for an aspiring playoff team. Oh but we're gonna pull a Brook Lopez trade out of thin air with no assets, right? Moves like trading up or down for the next Dirk Nowitzki happen all the time! We can buy a pick in the mid-20's and he'll pan out just like Rondo did!

I keep hoping losses like this snap some of you back into reality, but I know better than to expect that... just dont know how some of you sleep at night preaching that laughable "win every game" sermon when they go out and make Drew Gooden look like Wilt fucking Chamberlain and get blown out by a team gutted just hours ago by a trade. Cannot fathom.

 

[wuck]

by a team gutted just hours ago by a trade.

The Bucks were "gutted" by a trade featuring 2 players that weren't playing at all for them the last few weeks (and longer in the case of Bogut)? One because the coach can't stand him, the other because he can barely stand up? I don't see that.

I think the Bucks played hard tonight because they know the trade was good for them -- they got new players who can contribute this year and make a run at the playoffs. Not at all surprising they ran circles around the incredibly inconsistent Cavs.

I'm not disagreeing that the Cavs proved again tonight why they are not a "playoff" team (no matter how close they are right now). But your take on the Bucks -- that I don't agree with. Their fans were just as in to the game as the whole team was.

 

[metalman213]

^^ im sure Im considered to be in the win now faction, but im not and 'win now' is a misleading title. I belong to the 'let our talent dictate where we land' group (maybe its just myself?). I don't view the playoffs as an absolute disaster to the franchise. I also try to be as objective as possible, not sure what there is to wake up to when I just present the facts. Kobe, deny, hibbert, Noah, etc all were acquired by trading up so excise me if I don't view that as a once in a lifetime occurance.

 

[Rainman]

Maybe Sessions and Jamison know there gone by 3pm Thursday. So who really gives a fuck at this point. I just can't wait for this season to be over.

 

[jlegg21]

The Bucks were "gutted" by a trade featuring 2 players that weren't playing at all for them the last few weeks (and longer in the case of Bogut)? One because the coach can't stand him, the other because he can barely stand up? I don't see that.

I think the Bucks played hard tonight because they know the trade was good for them -- they got new players who can contribute this year and make a run at the playoffs. Not at all surprising they ran circles around the incredibly inconsistent Cavs.

I'm not disagreeing that the Cavs proved again tonight why they are not a "playoff" team (no matter how close they are right now). But your take on the Bucks -- that I don't agree with. Their fans were just as in to the game as the whole team was.

Fair enough, and I know not to argue with blues, but allow me this. Bogut has been the face of that franchise for years, somewhat similar to what Z was for us all those years. Kudos to them (and Skiles, who is a helluva coach) for bringing it tonight, but when I see losses like this, in a ridiculous season like this one, it just reaffirms what an opportunity this franchise has to put one more all-star on this roster.

Not a Deng, not a Hibbert, not even a Rondo... a true, bona-fide perennial all-star next to Irving. Odds are better the closer to the top we get, and I want the best odds possible, cuz I'd bet even with marginal additions to the roster and the kind of improvement I'm expecting from Kyrie, we're in the playoffs next year anyway.

 

[wuck]

Fair enough, and I know not to argue with blues

You can argue, you just can't be right. :chuckles:

I wasn't arguing with your other points. I think the Bucks changed directions, and it was the end of an era (not a great one), but they were clearly ready to play hard and they tore the weaker Cavs up.

 

[metalman213]

Not a Deng, not a Hibbert, not even a Rondo... a true, bona-fide perennial all-star next to Irving. Odds are better the closer to the top we get, and I want the best odds possible, cuz I'd bet even with marginal additions to the roster and the kind of improvement I'm expecting from Kyrie, we're in the playoffs next year anyway.

have i ever said that theres not more talent at the top? nobody is refuting that point. nobody. the point is that its not the end of this world if the cavs make the playoffs. that accomplishes experience and a winning culture (that you often mock, its real). both sides have their pros and cons. i guess im more of a moderate type who sees the plusses to both, and the negatives. and rondo is a true bona-fide all-star imo.

 

[CardiacCavs]

The cavs played tonight?!?






(sarcasm)

 

[jlegg21]

have i ever said that theres not more talent at the top? nobody is refuting that point. nobody. the point is that its not the end of this world if the cavs make the playoffs. that accomplishes experience and a winning culture (that you often mock, its real). both sides have their pros and cons. i guess im more of a moderate type who sees the plusses to both, and the negatives. and rondo is a true bona-fide all-star imo.

I wasnt even directly arguing with you, believe it or not, because you are moderate usually. I just dont know how you can admit there's more talent at the top and then in the same breath, say that backing into the playoffs with this roster of bums, scraps and leftovers is somehow a positive. I dont get it. That's a pretty big "con".

And it looks like we'll agree to disagree on Rondo, premium level defender, solid with the ball, cant make a 10+ foot jumper to save his dear life and would rather smash his right hand with a hammer than shoot free throws in crunch time. Besides, he wont be all-star much longer with Rose, DWill (if he stays) and Kyrie if he keeps it up.

 

[KI4MVP]

you have to love AC - cavs down 17 with 3 minutes left and he says something to the effect "The bucks are starting to make it difficult for the cavs to win the game tonight"

 

[metalman213]

I wasnt even directly arguing with you, believe it or not, because you are moderate usually. I just dont know how you can admit there's more talent at the top and then in the same breath, say that backing into the playoffs with this roster of bums, scraps and leftovers is somehow a positive. I dont get it. That's a pretty big "con".

And it looks like we'll agree to disagree on Rondo, premium level defender, solid with the ball, cant make a 10+ foot jumper to save his dear life and would rather smash his right hand with a hammer than shoot free throws in crunch time. Besides, he wont be all-star much longer with Rose, DWill (if he stays) and Kyrie if he keeps it up.

the con would be that we wouldnt acquire better talent, but there are positives too. i acknowledge both, but i typically argue against the doom and gloom type scenarios. ive said several times, id personally prefer a top 10 pick (i predict 8). i just dont see it as much of a negative as the tank sides. i agree that rondo has his shortcomings and his game is helped by playing with 3 hof'ers, but i think it speaks more about how talented point guards are in this day and age. rondo is still a really good player, and i think he would be perennial, its just that there are so many good point guards in the east.