Gee Wiz...what's Alonzo's ceiling???

[Kouki]

That right there is the worst possible thing a GM can do. You can't justify overpaying someone on the team because someone else on the team is already overpaid, you're just compounding the mistakes if you do that.

I honestly don't think Gee really improved much at all from last year to this year, he just played more minutes and got more shots. His efficiency went down across the board.

Sorry if I'm not falling over myself to give a guy who shot 41% from the field and 32% from three a four year deal. Gee's main value this season came from the fact he was making under a million bucks. If we more than quadruple his salary and commit to him for that long, I'd want someone who projects a little higher than "8th man on a good team" as you said.

Of course his efficiency went down, he was asked to do a lot more with the ball. At times he was our first option on offense.

I think you guys are crazy if you don't see how much he improved.

As for whether or not he's at his ceiling, that's pretty hard to say. He made a lot of improvement last year, who's to say he can't keep improving?

Sounds like someone might make a big offer to pry him away from the Cavs. I don't know if "overpaying" would be the worst thing we could do (assuming overpaying is 4 mil/year as some are saying). At worst, he doesn't improve and he stays a decent bench player with good defense and a good work ethic that can rub off on other guys. That's not a bad thing at 4 mil/year and I don't think it will really cripple us or be some ridiculously untradeable contract.

 

[wuck]

From Sam The Bullshit Whisperer:

June 4, 2012
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When it comes to the Cavaliers, Alonzo Gee has become the hottest name on the roster. Not just in Cleveland, either.

That’s because Gee is a restricted free agent, a small forward with athleticism and repeated appearances on sports shows that feature high-flying dunks.

Mostly, Gee spent the latter part of the season as a starter, proving he’s capable of erupting for big nights when surrounded by the right talent. No, Gee wasn’t overly consistent – but let’s remember, this was just his third NBA season after going undrafted out of Alabama in 2009.

Before coming to Cleveland, Gee bounced around the league as a 10th, 11th or 12th man. He was originally signed by the Timberwolves in September 2009, then waived less than a month later. He also made brief stops with the Spurs and Wizards (twice).

But after averaging 10.6 points and 5.1 rebounds and showing flashes of lockdown defense this past season, Gee has improved his market value.

Several outlets have already reported the Suns are prepared to make a run at Gee – with a source telling The News-Herald the Suns could extend “a four-year, $16 million offer and hope the Cavs don’t match it.”

The Suns, of course, aren’t alone. League sources told FOX Sports Ohio the Wizards, Celtics and Rockets will also enter free agency with Gee high on their wish list.

Meanwhile, since the Cavs have the right to match any offer, they can afford to wait. Their plan likely consists of seeing who falls to them in the draft (they own the Nos. 4 and 24 picks in the first round), then tackling the Gee situation immediately after that.

“They like (Gee) and hope to keep him,” said an Eastern Conference general manager. “But they’re going to have to fight for him, and they know that. I’m guessing a lot of how they approach it will be a result of what they do draft-wise.”

Gee reportedly earned just more than $884,000 last season, playing in 63 of a possible 66 games.

 

[Douglar]

Several outlets have already reported the Suns are prepared to make a run at Gee – with a source telling The News-Herald the Suns could extend “a four-year, $16 million offer and hope the Cavs don’t match it.”

I think the Cavs would match.

 

[EMIXIM]

Aside from his contract situation, and if Alonzo is on our roster next year, I think that if we end up drafting Barnes, Gee fits in perfectly at the 2. Gee is a pure slasher on offense, and Barnes seems like a player who do most of his scoring from the outside. Both guys would have good size at those positions. How do you guys think Gee would do at the 2 defensively? I think Gee could be a good SG but w/o a reliable jumper he would need a SF that can really knock down some outside shots. These two seem to be pretty good complimentary wings.

I'm not the biggest Barnes fan in the world but I do think that, like all players, some of his weakness's can be accounted for. Also there seems to be a realistic chance we draft him. In that case, there could be some value in retaining Gee and moving him to SG.

 

[PosterTime]

Aside from his contract situation, and if Alonzo is on our roster next year, I think that if we end up drafting Barnes, Gee fits in perfectly at the 2. Gee is a pure slasher on offense, and Barnes seems like a player who do most of his scoring from the outside. Both guys would have good size at those positions. How do you guys think Gee would do at the 2 defensively? I think Gee could be a good SG but w/o a reliable jumper he would need a SF that can really knock down some outside shots. These two seem to be pretty good complimentary wings.

I'm not the biggest Barnes fan in the world but I do think that, like all players, some of his weakness's can be accounted for. Also there seems to be a realistic chance we draft him. In that case, there could be some value in retaining Gee and moving him to SG.

Gee isn't really a SG. He doesn't possess the ball handling that a guard should have (yet, at least.) If we get MKG or Barnes, expect Gee to come off the bench once said rookie gets situated.

Gee is a perfect 6th man that brings energy, defense, hustle, etc. He is someone you can insert into the game and have play defense on the best wing scorer. I don't mind Gee starting if we get a SG or Center at #4, but there is no way Gee starts over our #4 pick in the longrun imo.

 

[EMIXIM]

I don't think in any case he starts over the #4 in the long run. I was suggesting he start at SG alongside the #4 (only if it was Barnes) in the short run. You have a point with his lack of ball handling skills though.

 

[The Voice]

Celtics have a love affair with all of our old players.

 

[TitleTown]

Celtics have a love affair with all of our old players.

I think it's more of a mutual affection.

-West
-Powe
-Erden
-Harangody

Hollins was a good pickup for the Celtics since he's only ever played OK against the Heat.

 

[MoFlo]

Hollins was a good pickup for the Celtics since he's only ever played OK against the Heat.

Yeah, those 11 minutes he's played this series so far have been crazy helpful..

 

[Ruken]

Really hope we can keep Gee, wondering how much we would be willing to match for him?

 

[The_Anti_Stern]

I don't think in any case he starts over the #4 in the long runI was suggesting he start at SG alongside the #4 (only if it was Barnes) in the short run. You have a point with his lack of ball handling skills though.

Completely agree. Assuming the Cavs can get a legitimate starter at #4, one shouldn't expect Gee to do anything more than come off the bench. When evaluating Alonzo, one can't hold him up to the standards of a high impact player, but rather to those of a quality role player and what skills he has and what skills he can realistically obtain. A strong, tough defensive-minded player with above-average athleticism who could quite possibly develop a consistent jumpshot and close-to-adequate ball handling for a wing player. With the physical skill set of a lesser Andre Iguodala, he can definitely find his niche and fill an important role on a good team, but to expect anything better than a defensive stopper that won't be afraid of the moment is a stretch. Cavs fans can't find themselves disappointed if he doesn't return in free agency, because it is the middle-to-low tier players like Gee that can quietly clog cap space and make it more difficult to sign and resign players of legitimate significance.

 

[FiveThous]

if the price is 4-5m per, we are matching it, I can guarantee that

 

[TitleTown]

Yeah, those 11 minutes he's played this series so far have been crazy helpful..

Hahahaha, so true. :chuckles:

Smart move on their part.

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

Like Gee but you can't let yourself get too wrapped up in what he can do, and pay more attention to what he can't.

 

[CBBI]

if the price is 4-5m per, we are matching it, I can guarantee that

Ugh.

4/16 or 4/20 would be a really terrible contract for Gee.