gun control

[Notorious]

Taxing multi-gun households? Good lord. I hope that is sarcasm.

Sometimes you can hate your family so much that you want the government to control them. MADNESS!

I never in my life thought I'd hear people in this country talking like this. We used to be free.

Now people want to be subjects in the worst way.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I agree with that as well. But there are bad people in this world who kill people with a gun or without. People deserve the right to protect themselves. There is also sporting purposes to them. Is a golf club or a baseball bat just a murder weapon because they can be used as one? Motorcycles are suicide machines. Should we ban them? What about cars? Biggest murderers on the planet.

The part about the rich was my point in a thread earlier. Even if everyone gives up their guns here the rich and powerful will still have armed details. This is a war on the poor and middle class. I believe they are getting ready to default on our debt sometime in a few years and want as many of the guns for order and control when they do. I believe Europe and Australia may be in the same boat.

When the Free Shit Army is told no more food stamps or welfare, look out!!

I really hate when people compare cars to guns. They're not remotely the same thing. Guns have one purpose, to kill. No matter why you have them, sport, protection, whatever the reason all they're meant for is killing. This is not the case with a car, a baseball bat, or a golf club. You can't change people's desire to kill, but taking away weapons that would make it easier to kill would help prevent deaths, no? People bring up the knife attack that happened the same day as Newtown saying that taking away guns wouldn't stop these attacks, but if I remember correctly, there were no casualties in the knife attack.

Now I'm not for banning guns either, but the above argument is just asinine. Also seems odd that everyone who trumpets the second amendment seems to leave out the well regulated militia part.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

Sometimes, we agree Notorious... The government should leave us stop trying to cut our freedom.

I don't believe in taxing because it just means the riches can afford it, while the poors can't. It would reduce the general amount of weapons in the country, but doesn't really change anything, except more money for the government... I mean, it just seems so logical to me that : a person with a gun is more likely to kill than one person without a gun, no? It's just... The sole purpose of a gun is to kill (not necessarily a human being, but still). Saying "a gun saved a life" doesn't sound absurd to you? I understand it can theorically happen, but I'd like to see statitistics that tell me guns save more life than they kill. If you really want these shootings to stop, taxing isn't a solution.

It's not absurd at all. The sole purpose of a gun is not to kill. Sole purpose, in this case, is in the hands of the user. Protect doesn't necessarily equate to kill. If you come into my home and threaten me with a knife and a bad attitude, I may spare your idiotic ass by pointing said gun at your head and watching piss run down your leg. If you wise up, the police will soon arrive to take your ass away in cuffs instead of a bodybag.

There's this notion out there that all gun owners are chomping at the bit to play Rambo. It's just not true.

Taxing guns really does not one thing to keep guns out of the hands of the people who commit the majority of violent crimes. These people don't tend to own registered guns or care about any law, gun related or not. What it does is make it harder for responsible gun owners to protect themselves against criminals.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Sometimes you can hate your family so much that you want the government to control them. MADNESS!

I never in my life thought I'd hear people in this country talking like this. We used to be free.

Now people want to be subjects in the worst way.

Your hyperbole is getting old. Just because some people would feel safer without a flood of guns on the street doesn't mean they want to be subjects.

Again, I'm not for banning guns either, but your reasoning, arguments, and implications about other people's desires are all awful.

 

[Notorious]

. You can't change people's desire to kill, but taking away weapons that would make it easier to kill would help prevent deaths, no?

Also seems odd that everyone who trumpets the second amendment seems to leave out the well regulated militia part.

If we can't change their desire to kill then we should take away knives, golf clubs, bats and everything thing else? It would prevent deaths no?

If you read the founding fathers intentions in the federalist papers and many other places their intentions for a well regulated militia is evident. It's not what you're thinking either.

 

[Notorious]

Your hyperbole is getting old. Just because some people would feel safer without a flood of guns on the street doesn't mean they want to be subjects.

Again, I'm not for banning guns either, but your reasoning, arguments, and implications about other people's desires are all awful.

There's been a flood of guns on the streets since the country was founded. Why now are kids shooting people up? Thats the real issue and pills aren't the solution. This country is not what it was 50 years ago. People were able to get jobs and pay the bills and enjoy life and home ownership. Today a lot of people have bleak lives. No wonder shit like this happens. Guarantee if everyone had a well paying job shit like this would become almost non existent. People with a lot to lose don't want to lose it.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

I'm still trying to put my head around the mentality that banning guns means they will be off the streets. How has that worked with crack, heroin, and all the other hundreds of illegal narcotics? How did prohibition go over in this country? I understand the differences, but I'm just making a point.

 

[shukle]

Ok, I just read about well regulated militia, that I was not aware of, but I am not quite sure I get all of it. To own a gun, you were supposed to take training and be available to defend the country? Sounds like a pretty good idea, at that time, to me.

I don't buy the "self defense" argument either. What happens if you come from a drink with some friends in the middle of the night and find me with your wife naked on the couch (not trying to offend anybody here)? Would the thought of going to your room, take that gun and point it a me not even cross your mind? Most wouldn't pull the trigger, but some would. Now let's say I happen to carry a gun as well, what happens? This has more much chance of happening as somebody getting inside your home with a gun and shoot somebody.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

If we can't change their desire to kill then we should take away knives, golf clubs, bats and everything thing else? It would prevent deaths no?

If you read the founding fathers intentions in the federalist papers and many other places there intentions for a well regulated militia is evident. It's not what you're thinking either.

Again, how can you in good conscious compare something with multiple purposes to a gun, which only has one? Also way to ignore the point that nobody died in the knife attack. To kill with a gun you have to point and click, to kill with a knife or bat you have to stab or bludgeon. Really think you could go on a big killing spree with a bat before someone stopped you? Not the case with a gun.

For the third time, I don't want to ban guns. Your reasoning is just incredibly flawed and I felt the need to point it out.

 

[Jack Brickman]

There's been a flood of guns on the streets since the country was founded. Why now are kids shooting people up? Thats the real issue and pills aren't the solution. This country is not what it was 50 years ago. People were able to get jobs and pay the bills and enjoy life and home ownership. Today a lot of people have bleak lives. No wonder shit like this happens. Guarantee if everyone had a well paying job shit like this would become almost non existent. People with a lot to lose don't want to lose it.

Also when this country was founded it took a minute to reload your gun after a single shot. Makes it kind of hard to go on a killing spree.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I'm still trying to put my head around the mentality that banning guns means they will be off the streets. How has that worked with crack, heroin, and all the other hundreds of illegal narcotics? How did prohibition go over in this country? I understand the differences, but I'm just making a point.

There's a big difference between substances that can be addictive and abused and something like a gun. We can't say for sure how it would work, but in countries that have banned guns they have seen a major decrease in gun violence.

It's not about criminals being afraid to break the law, it's about making it harder for them to get guns. Now all someone needs to do is show up at a gun show and leave with a weapon.

 

[Notorious]

Again, how can you in good conscious compare something with multiple purposes to a gun, which only has one? Also way to ignore the point that nobody died in the knife attack. To kill with a gun you have to point and click, to kill with a knife or bat you have to stab or bludgeon. Really think you could go on a big killing spree with a bat before someone stopped you? Not the case with a gun.

For the third time, I don't want to ban guns. Your reasoning is just incredibly flawed and I felt the need to point it out.

It's in response to someone else's absurd comments. It's meant in hyperbole to show them the error of their thinking.

I guess because no one died it's better. According to you. Although England has so many knifings they want to ban kitchen knifes.

 

[pr26]

Sometimes you can hate your family so much that you want the government to control them. MADNESS!

I never in my life thought I'd hear people in this country talking like this. We used to be free.

Now people want to be subjects in the worst way.

Honestly I'd feel a lot better about things such as conceal and carry and automatic weapons, if the people that supported those issues didn't use such insane rhetoric to defend their views.

I hate my family because I think taxation of guns is a way to prevent gun hording while protecting YOUR right to own?

You can disagree with the method...I always love a good disagreement. But your argument is just *insert rhetoric, shall not be infringed, insert rhetoric, freedom hater*.

 

[Notorious]

Also when this country was founded it took a minute to reload your gun after a single shot. Makes it kind of hard to go on a killing spree.

That's so wrong on so many levels. I'm glad hollywood has you convinced, but you're simply wrong. Repeating firearms were in fact around back then and used in the revolutionary war. The founding fathers invented some of them.

This country was founded on free speech when hand operated printing presses were around. They could have never imagined the internet or TV so we should get rid of the first?

 

[Notorious]

Honestly I'd feel a lot better about things such as conceal and carry and automatic weapons, if the people that supported those issues didn't use such insane rhetoric to defend their views.

I hate my family because I think taxation of guns is a way to prevent gun hording while protecting YOUR right to own?

You can disagree with the method...I always love a good disagreement. But your argument is just *insert rhetoric, shall not be infringed, insert rhetoric, freedom hater*.

It was aimed at Keys who wants multiple guns taxed because his in laws buy too many guns and don't stop even though they are broke.

Automatic weapons are illegal... Did someone use an automatic weapon in a crime recently that was legal and registered that I am not aware of? Why are you bringing them up then?