gun control

[Shakalu M.D.]

Look, banning guns would definitely get some guns off of streets, but this isn't "other countries." Again, I understand the simple premise that drugs do not equal guns and why not, but the point remains. You can ban anything all you want, but criminals will still get them. It's no different than drug runners. Hell, look at all the morons that get banned off of this site and show up 2 mins later :chuckles: (this is my feeble attempt at bringing some levity into this shit storm).

I'm not in favor of banning guns, I was simply stating it has been successful at removing them in other countries. I know we aren't the same and I acknowledged as much in my first post saying I don't know how it would work here. However it has been tried and successful previously and that's really the only way we can judge if it would work without speculation.

 

[Jack Brickman]

We're still waiting for you to answer questions about changing gun rights for the mentally ill but not media rights.

If you honestly need someone to distinguish for you how a mentally ill person with a gun is different from a mentally ill person with a copy of Halo, you're not worth arguing with.

 

[Notorious]

I am fine with them banning armor piercing rounds sold to the public.

Armor piercing rounds are illegal and not sold to the public. They were banned a long time ago. People still own some before they were banned and you can still buy those. But they are limited in quantity and cost a fortune as well as illegal in many states.

 

[Notorious]

If you honestly need someone to distinguish how a mentally ill person with a gun is different from a mentally ill person with a copy of Halo, you're not worth arguing with.

I don't but I am telling you they are already looking in to games for the last 20 years. Politicians have tried to pass laws. They got as far as ratings. Don't think they won't use the same arguments as they are against guns against games next. Especially when these laws change nothing.

You are empowering your government to restrict things. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

Limiting the clips to 10 rounds makes the need to ban "assault" style rifles go away. Again these are just semi-automatics no different in function than my semi automatic deer rifle (in the beginning of this thread I explained with pictures for anyone who wants to go back and look). They say assault weapon for effect, but the fact is they aren't automatics meaning one trigger pull multiple fires. This is why I have an issue with the ban on semi-automatic rifles, because where would it stop? Honestly outside of clip size its just a cosmetic thing. I am fine with them banning armor piercing rounds sold to the public.

As for the debt ceiling stand off, if it is a chip it isn't much leverage and it would be par for the whole dirty politics that has become synonymous with Washington.

Well said, Ron. Look, I'm no right wing Rambo. I have friends who are dead set against any clip limiting. I am not with them on that one. I do not need a 30 round clip to defend myself. If it ever came to a scenario like they depict in "The Colony" show, I would still have plenty enough firepower and know how to team up with like minded, sane people to form a nice little fortress against any decent sized group of idiots looking to make what's mine, theirs.

 

[Notorious]

But you have to admit that it doesn't happen so much either, not as much as an actual killing with a gun?

Burglaries and violent non gun crime happen here on an order of 10x more than gun crime. Not sure where your facts come from.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

As I said 1/3 of the states don't have these laws. Teachers can carry in Texas and many other states. No mass murders in any of them. It's not opinion it's fact with 20 years of history to back it up.

That's hardly conclusive proof. It's never happened before, doesn't mean it won't. Contrary to popular belief, there haven't been that many mass murders. They're have been more as of late and they're much more highly publicized in the media.

In my 24 years I've never eaten mussels. Doesn't mean I won't try them tomorrow.

 

[Notorious]

That's hardly conclusive proof. It's never happened before, doesn't mean it won't. Contrary to popular belief, there haven't been that many mass murders. They're have been more as of late and they're much more highly publicized in the media.

In my 24 years I've never eaten mussels. Doesn't mean I won't try them tomorrow.

Someone just tried in San Antonio. Was shot by an off duty concealed carry cop in a mall. If you actually look for the truth you will find it. If that kid in Colorado went in to that movie theater and faced 60 armed adults he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did. Same in Newtown.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I don't but I am telling you they are already looking in to games for the last 20 years. Politicians have tried to pass laws. They got as far as ratings. Don't think they won't use the same arguments as they are against guns against games next. Especially when these laws change nothing.

You are empowering your government to restrict things. Be careful what you wish for.

Again you seem to be using logical fallacies. Restricting weapons is not remotely the same as banning video games and I think you know that.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Someone just tried in San Antonio. Was shot by an off duty concealed carry cop in a mall. If you actually look for the truth you will find it. If that kid in Colorado went in to that movie theater and faced 60 armed adults he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did. Same in Newtown.

I'm not saying it's impossible he would have been stopped like the guy in Texas. What I'm saying is it's impossible for you to know that he would have, but you're declaring it like a fact anyway.

 

[RonG]

Well said, Ron. Look, I'm no right wing Rambo. I have friends who are dead set against any clip limiting. I am not with them on that one. I do not need a 30 round clip to defend myself. If it ever came to a scenario like they depict in "The Colony" show, I would still have plenty enough firepower and know how to team up with like minded, sane people to form a nice little fortress against any decent sized group of idiots looking to make what's mine, theirs.

I come from the school of one shot one kill, I can't see needing a 30 round clip either, maybe for fun hunting hogs ect.

The fact is the three points Keys highlighted that I addressed will do nothing but effect the responsible gun owner. I am more interested in all of the back ground talk, mental illness weapon ownership ban and safety training. Things like trigger locks and safes ect.

 

[Notorious]

Again you seem to be using logical fallacies. Restricting weapons is not remotely the same as banning video games and I think you know that.

Again you seem to think the government is your Dad and knows best. That may be the case, but again tell that to all the politicians who want violent video games gone.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

Well, I am sorry for what you had to go through, I sure don't wish that to anybody. But how do you know he meant any harm? I am not dumb, I know there are some crazy people out there. But you have to admit that it doesn't happen so much either, not as much as an actual killing with a gun? If I am in America and I decide I want to be rob somebody, I will have a gun with me, because they are so easy to get. If I am in a place were getting them is much harder, I might not.

There are points to be made both sides.

And thank you for your kindness and all those nice words about me, you sure as well know me enough to judge me.

:chuckles: Easy there, Mr Sensitive. You purposed yourself to be sleeping with my wife in my house, hence I was playing along and calling you names as you were in that role of said douchebag. IOW, I wasn't calling you names, I was calling the guy sleeping with my wife names. Get it?

Moving on, yes, we know he meant harm. He knew very well my Mom was home, as her car was in the driveway. He knew very well I just left and took our guard dog with me. She was, in his eyes, vulnerable. he had bad intentions. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell ya. You don't break into a single woman's home in the middle of the day for many other reasons do ya?

If you are a criminal in America, you can get a gun if you want one, yes. The difference between America and other countries is that guns have been engrained into our society for hundreds of years. They will be readily available, even with a ban, for hundreds of more years.

I'm not in favor of banning guns, I was simply stating it has been successful at removing them in other countries. I know we aren't the same and I acknowledged as much in my first post saying I don't know how it would work here. However it has been tried and successful previously and that's really the only way we can judge if it would work without speculation.

Well, I understand your premise and stance, but just because it worked in A, B, and C doesn't mean it will work in D. Honestly, can we really judge the effectiveness here based upon a few other countries? The conditions are so drastically different I can't honestly draw any kind of valid conclusion supporting it.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I come from the school of one shot one kill, I can't see needing a 30 round clip either, maybe for fun hunting hogs ect.

The fact is the three points Keys highlighted that I addressed will do nothing but effect the responsible gun owner. I am more interested in all of the back ground talk, mental illness weapon ownership ban and safety training. Things like trigger locks and safes ect.

I'm in the same school of thought as you for the most part. I just got dragged into an argument because I was sick of reading logical fallacies.

 

[RonG]

That's hardly conclusive proof. It's never happened before, doesn't mean it won't. Contrary to popular belief, there haven't been that many mass murders. They're have been more as of late and they're much more highly publicized in the media.

Not conclusive but should be considered none the less.